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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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I'll support any winner of the GOP primary.

But why are you guys squirming and dodging the question when we talk about Trump being immune to influence and regular man Desantis isn't? It's a very important question! You guys don't seem to have an answer to how Desantis is going to hold true to his values once he has to fill his coffers.

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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DeSantis has raised double what Trump has and a lot of it is from former Trump donors. He also has had "bad" press talking about how he has pissed off donors because he won't give them special access or his private phone number. He will take their money but his views are consistent, hie agenda today is virtually identical to 10 years ago when he got elected to Congress for the first time.

Fundamentally Trump is a Populist and is not tethered to ideology. That's why he will blow with the wind on issues. It's what got him in so much trouble on Covid. It's why he said we should take the guns first and worry about due process later. It's why he was a Democrat before he was a Republican. It's why he is attacking DeSantis from his Left on Social Security and eliminating the IRS.

DeSantis is fundamentally a conservative and very much about ideology. He has taken many controversial stands because he felt they were the right thing to do and he doesn't let go. That's why some can't understand why he is fighting so hard on Disney. To him it's about the principle and the larger picture. To most they can't fathom why he isn't focusing on other things and fighting a mega corporation with so much power. To DeSantis he would rather stick by his principles and lose than sell out. He joined the Navy instead of taking a big money job out of Harvard. He turned down his Congressional Pension. He refused help to pay off his student loans and did it himself.

I'd encourage you to read and listen more to DeSantis and get to know him. He is definitely not a normal politician. He's still a man and he makes mistakes but he also owns them (he admitted he was wrong to support lockdowns initially for instance and changed course once he did his own research and got his own experts). He may not be a billionaire but he isn't a guy who is concerned with personal wealthy either, he knows he can always go make money if he chooses to. He wants to make a real difference though and so far he is doing it. What he has done in Florida is just amazing when you realize what that state was in 2018.

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Once again, you aren't addressing how Desantis's campaign is open to influence from people with money.

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I highlighted it for you this time since you seem to have missed that part.

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Do you think Desantis can fund his presidential candidacy on his own? You seem to think he can. Has he said he is doing that?

Trump CAN and is able to refuse donations from corporate entities if they don't submit.

Desantis has no such ability.

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign and he has never shown a willingness to self fund. Money has to come from somewhere. Trump is also on record complementing donors for giving him lots of cash. Pfizer donated $1 million to his inauguration and he brought out Mr Johnson from Johnson and Johnson to talk about how generous he was to him at a campaign rally.

If the Disney example doesn't make it clear for you that DeSantis can't be bought I don't know what will. They donated to him and he has absolutely brutalized them. He's not a billionaire but if that is your prerequisite for your vote then I guess Trump is your guy.

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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I'll support any winner of the GOP primary.

But why are you guys squirming and dodging the question when we talk about Trump being immune to influence and regular man Desantis isn't? It's a very important question! You guys don't seem to have an answer to how Desantis is going to hold true to his values once he has to fill his coffers.

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If you refuse to look at all of his past history and statements then yes, there is no way to prove he is immune to influence like Trump who is of course beyond reproach.

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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DeSantis has raised double what Trump has and a lot of it is from former Trump donors. He also has had "bad" press talking about how he has pissed off donors because he won't give them special access or his private phone number. He will take their money but his views are consistent, hie agenda today is virtually identical to 10 years ago when he got elected to Congress for the first time.

Fundamentally Trump is a Populist and is not tethered to ideology. That's why he will blow with the wind on issues. It's what got him in so much trouble on Covid. It's why he said we should take the guns first and worry about due process later. It's why he was a Democrat before he was a Republican. It's why he is attacking DeSantis from his Left on Social Security and eliminating the IRS.

DeSantis is fundamentally a conservative and very much about ideology. He has taken many controversial stands because he felt they were the right thing to do and he doesn't let go. That's why some can't understand why he is fighting so hard on Disney. To him it's about the principle and the larger picture. To most they can't fathom why he isn't focusing on other things and fighting a mega corporation with so much power. To DeSantis he would rather stick by his principles and lose than sell out. He joined the Navy instead of taking a big money job out of Harvard. He turned down his Congressional Pension. He refused help to pay off his student loans and did it himself.

I'd encourage you to read and listen more to DeSantis and get to know him. He is definitely not a normal politician. He's still a man and he makes mistakes but he also owns them (he admitted he was wrong to support lockdowns initially for instance and changed course once he did his own research and got his own experts). He may not be a billionaire but he isn't a guy who is concerned with personal wealthy either, he knows he can always go make money if he chooses to. He wants to make a real difference though and so far he is doing it. What he has done in Florida is just amazing when you realize what that state was in 2018.

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Once again, you aren't addressing how Desantis's campaign is open to influence from people with money.

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I highlighted it for you this time since you seem to have missed that part.

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Do you think Desantis can fund his presidential candidacy on his own? You seem to think he can. Has he said he is doing that?

Trump CAN and is able to refuse donations from corporate entities if they don't submit.

Desantis has no such ability.

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign and he has never shown a willingness to self fund. Money has to come from somewhere. Trump is also on record complementing donors for giving him lots of cash. Pfizer donated $1 million to his inauguration and he brought out Mr Johnson from Johnson and Johnson to talk about how generous he was to him at a campaign rally.

If the Disney example doesn't make it clear for you that DeSantis can't be bought I don't know what will. They donated to him and he has absolutely brutalized them. He's not a billionaire but if that is your prerequisite for your vote then I guess Trump is your guy.

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So when Trump ran in 2016 he used NONE of his own money? You are ridiculous.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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I don't think he would self-fund. No. He tried that schtick before, and it turned out he spent like $60mm or some weak number. Especially since he was worth about double, in the beginning.

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10thYrSr said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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I'll support any winner of the GOP primary.

But why are you guys squirming and dodging the question when we talk about Trump being immune to influence and regular man Desantis isn't? It's a very important question! You guys don't seem to have an answer to how Desantis is going to hold true to his values once he has to fill his coffers.

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If you refuse to look at all of his past history and statements then yes, there is no way to prove he is immune to influence like Trump who is of course beyond reproach.

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I don't have to tell you that running for governor is way less expensive than running for president. Plus, he had a Trump endorsement. At the time that was worth millions.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Trump already showed that he turns off a lot of voters.

Biden isn't liked much better than Trump. If Biden is the candidate, it might be a toss-up or Trump might even have a slight edge.

But if Biden isn't the candidate, Trump would likely be trounced.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Trump already showed that he turns off a lot of voters.

Biden isn't liked much better than Trump. If Biden is the candidate, it might be a toss-up or Trump might even have a slight edge.

But if Biden isn't the candidate, Trump would likely be trounced.

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You have no data to back that up.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Trump already showed that he turns off a lot of voters.

Biden isn't liked much better than Trump. If Biden is the candidate, it might be a toss-up or Trump might even have a slight edge.

But if Biden isn't the candidate, Trump would likely be trounced.

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You have no data to back that up.

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Biden's negatives and Trump's negatives as well as history with incumbents.

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Trump already showed that he turns off a lot of voters.

Biden isn't liked much better than Trump. If Biden is the candidate, it might be a toss-up or Trump might even have a slight edge.

But if Biden isn't the candidate, Trump would likely be trounced.

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Trump turning off a lot of voters? As long as that number is 49.9 percent I don't care. Remember how many voters Desantis pissed off with the "don't say gay" bull*****

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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I'll support any winner of the GOP primary.

But why are you guys squirming and dodging the question when we talk about Trump being immune to influence and regular man Desantis isn't? It's a very important question! You guys don't seem to have an answer to how Desantis is going to hold true to his values once he has to fill his coffers.

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Didn't Trump just come out and say to stop being so hard on Bud Light?

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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Do you really expect Trump to spend his own money?

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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How much money did Trump spend of his own money on the 2020 campaign? Any at all?

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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DeSantis has raised double what Trump has and a lot of it is from former Trump donors. He also has had "bad" press talking about how he has pissed off donors because he won't give them special access or his private phone number. He will take their money but his views are consistent, hie agenda today is virtually identical to 10 years ago when he got elected to Congress for the first time.

Fundamentally Trump is a Populist and is not tethered to ideology. That's why he will blow with the wind on issues. It's what got him in so much trouble on Covid. It's why he said we should take the guns first and worry about due process later. It's why he was a Democrat before he was a Republican. It's why he is attacking DeSantis from his Left on Social Security and eliminating the IRS.

DeSantis is fundamentally a conservative and very much about ideology. He has taken many controversial stands because he felt they were the right thing to do and he doesn't let go. That's why some can't understand why he is fighting so hard on Disney. To him it's about the principle and the larger picture. To most they can't fathom why he isn't focusing on other things and fighting a mega corporation with so much power. To DeSantis he would rather stick by his principles and lose than sell out. He joined the Navy instead of taking a big money job out of Harvard. He turned down his Congressional Pension. He refused help to pay off his student loans and did it himself.

I'd encourage you to read and listen more to DeSantis and get to know him. He is definitely not a normal politician. He's still a man and he makes mistakes but he also owns them (he admitted he was wrong to support lockdowns initially for instance and changed course once he did his own research and got his own experts). He may not be a billionaire but he isn't a guy who is concerned with personal wealthy either, he knows he can always go make money if he chooses to. He wants to make a real difference though and so far he is doing it. What he has done in Florida is just amazing when you realize what that state was in 2018.

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Once again, you aren't addressing how Desantis's campaign is open to influence from people with money.

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I highlighted it for you this time since you seem to have missed that part.

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Do you think Desantis can fund his presidential candidacy on his own? You seem to think he can. Has he said he is doing that?

Trump CAN and is able to refuse donations from corporate entities if they don't submit.

Desantis has no such ability.

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Like Trump would ever refuse those same donations. Hardy Har Har.

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10thYrSr said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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I'll happily defer to aggie93s excellent response on that. Was just pointing out how ridiculous it is to complain about people on the internet being mean to the last remaining trump supporters when all he does is troll and call people names, again because he can't debate anyone on policy.

Of course some people don't care about policy and are only voting for personality. It's a free country and definitely their choice, but don't expect to not get called out on it.

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Uh, because Trump supporters AREN'T Trump. You are crapping all over the man while crapping all over his supporters, forgetting that we are ALL Republicans. You guys have spent more energy attacking Trump supporters in the recent days than you have spent going after the communist regime in power. That you have ANY energy to attack your own fellow republicans is a testament to your lack of will to fight to your last breath against the progressive agenda.

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It's primary season and DeSantis is about to announce. We are choosing a candidate right now. Arguments happen and they get heated. Trump has spent $11 million already directly attacking DeSantis and he has already gotten into deep personal attacks daily against him. DeSantis has not uttered Trump's name in weeks to my knowledge.

Tell you what though, I absolutely think DeSantis and Trump should publicly pledge to enthusiastically support the eventual winner against the Democrats. I'm confident DeSantis would agree to that. How about Trump?

I'll take the pledge myself right now.

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I'll support any winner of the GOP primary.

But why are you guys squirming and dodging the question when we talk about Trump being immune to influence and regular man Desantis isn't? It's a very important question! You guys don't seem to have an answer to how Desantis is going to hold true to his values once he has to fill his coffers.

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Didn't Trump just come out and say to stop being so hard on Bud Light?

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What does that mean to you?

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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Trump is little more than a social climber. He needs all the money he can keep if he wants to stay at all relevant.

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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Do you really expect Trump to spend his own money?

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He COULD. Do you deny that? Desantis couldn't.

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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Trump is little more than a social climber. He needs all the money he can keep if he wants to stay at all relevant.

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Funny thing is, if he stays relevant then people who believe in him do. Are you trying to disenfranchise a major portion of Americans?

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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Trump is little more than a social climber. He needs all the money he can keep if he wants to stay at all relevant.

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You didn't address the question. It is yes or no and you aren't answering.

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eric76 said:

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Ags77 said:

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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10thYrSr said:

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Ags77 said:

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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I'm assuming you have data to back the independent number up? Give me data from the last election.

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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So you don't like Trump because you think Desantis is the better candidate. I thought the same thing in 2016 when it was Cruz vs Trump. Cruz was my guy. I thought there was no way Trump could win, and almost everyone out there thought the same. He did.

This time around, why do you think it is different? Especially when Trump has decided to embrace vote harvesting where legal. Has Desantis stated how he will combat the questionable voting strategies of the Dems? Trump at least has a plan in place to correct the way he lost.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way.

Not to mention that people are going hard for him when he hasn't even declared. He most likely will, but if he doesn't you guys are going to have a LOT of crawfishing to do.

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Good question.

DeSantis has always been a grass roots guy. I have posted before about how he has organized in Florida to have a campaign to turn every single county into majority GOP Registrations and they are down to 4 now. He has reversed the overall registrations since taking office by over 750k and growing all the time.

When DeSantis goes to fundraisers he doesn't keep the money for himself. He does the small events with 200-800 people that go to the State and Local GOP organizations. That's both to build goodwill but also to give those folks the resources they need on the ground to get votes out.

DeSantis wanted Harmeet Dhillon while Trump backed McDaniel. Dhillon's entire message was grassroots and working with guys like Scott Pressler who scour the country and teach grass roots folks how to ballot harvest and get votes out, he even wrote a book. She also is all about election law (she is an election attorney) and wanted a full time legal team to fight those battles year round instead of waiting for election season, that's what Democrats do and that's why they get the laws in their favor. That's actually the point of my post.

Finally, Trump is lying. He isn't spending money on ballot harvesting or building grass roots. He doesn't even sign up folks at rallies. He talks a big game but virtually all of his money is going to his own legal bills and ads, mostly against DeSantis. He also spent big on going after folks like Kemp in the past and other primary folks against people he dislikes. Here is an article that breaks down the numbers.

DeSantis builds the Party, Trump Drains it

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Trump also has the advantage of being a billionaire. Desantis does not. And if you think you get money to run your campaign the way you want it you are dreadfully wrong. Desantis will be open to influence regarding campaign contributions. You can't say the same thing about Trump.


We know who Trump IS. He is a prideful man that has no restraint and says stupid stuff and is heavily involved with glorifying himself. In his presidency, he surrounded himself with terrible people. He is arrogant and NOT as conservative as I or many on this board want him to be.

What he IS is beyond influence. This is personal for him. And he also LOVES America and our status as the first and best nation and will do all he can to preserve that.

Desantis for all his convictions, does not have the same immunity to outside influence that a billionaire does.

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Do you really expect Trump to spend his own money?

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He COULD. Do you deny that? Desantis couldn't.

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I would be very surprised if Trump spent much, if any, of his own money on the campaign.

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10thYrSr said:

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Ags77 said:

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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Also, anybody who doesn't detest the current presidency can Not be considered an independent

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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BigRobSA said:

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10thYrSr said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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aggie93 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Very few folks that don't vote for Trump and vote for someone else would vote Trump, that's the point. It gives Trump an advantage in a crowded field if multiple candidates stick around to suck up 10-15 percent of the vote that would likely go to DeSantis if they weren't there.

That said I think DeSantis is already planning on this and has a plan. I'll also say that this explains why Trump sold out the rest of us to get Ronna McDaniel another term as RNC Chair. We may not have a ground game or a legal team but damnit Trump got his favorable Primary rules and will likely get what he wants for debates and we know that's what matters!

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love Desantis, but the actions of some of the Desantis supporters on this board are doing all they can to turn Trump supporters away from Desantis by calling them names and telling them how stupid they are for supporting him. You aren't going to convert people that way..

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10th yr - Very well said!

Sadly though you can say it a hundred times and it still will not be comprehended!

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Tough to take this seriously when the only thing trump does, because he knows he can't beat DeSantis on policy or in an actual debate, is call people names.

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Do you care to comment on how Desantis is open to outside influence due to not being a billionaire? Or is this just a drive by?

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Trump doesn't fund his own campaign. So, how is he above influence, in regards to politics?

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Is this a real question? You want me to tell you the difference between a billionaire running a campaign vs a guy who might have a few million?

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Neither funds their own campaign. So, politically, they're both (theoretically) open to influence. Hell, Junior was asking people to lay off AB for the Dylan fiasco....turns out they own **** tons of AB stock. Oops.

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I'm not asking "theoretically". I'm saying Trump could fully fund his campaign without sacrificing his values. If he chose not to accept donations he would be fine.

You can't say the same for Desantis. He NEEDS money, and to get that he may need to make concessions.

Can you agree that this is the case?

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Yes, Trump COULD. But, he WON'T. Can you agree on that?

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I don't agree. I think Trump would do anything to be our next president. Do you disagree?

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Trump is little more than a social climber. He needs all the money he can keep if he wants to stay at all relevant.

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You didn't address the question. It is yes or no and you aren't answering.

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I did answer the questions, but not with a "yes" or a "no". I pointed out that Trump has his own uses for his own money and that does not include using it on campaigns.

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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eric76 said:

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10thYrSr said:

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Ags77 said:

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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I'm assuming you have data to back the independent number up? Give me data from the last election.

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According to https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/

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Nearly four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) identify as politically independent, but most "lean" toward one of the two major parties. Only 7% of Americans overall don't express a partisan leaning, while 13% lean toward the Republican Party and 17% lean toward the Democratic Party.

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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Also, anybody who doesn't detest the current presidency can Not be considered an independent

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Boy, that's weird.

Would you also claim that anyone who doesn't detest Trump can not be considered an independent, as well?

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If the field is crowded... Trump benefits by his loyal base. But if it's down to him and DeSantis, trumps base won't be nearly enough.

Same problem Trump has in the general. He will get his supporters out in good numbers, but they aren't enough.

DeSantis 2024

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So your quarrel shouldn't be with Trump supporters, but people who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee. THEY will be the ones at fault if Trump wins the nomination and loses the general.

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"People who won't vote Republican if Trump is the nominee?" That would certainly include some Republicans, but probably also lot of Independents and Third Party voters and very few Democrat voters.

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There are no independent voters today. Everyone knows where they lie. Prove me wrong.

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Very funny. There are plenty of Independent voters. A great many, but not all, do tend to lean toward one party or another. That doesn't mean that they would vote for that party if they detest the party's candidate.

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Also, anybody who doesn't detest the current presidency can Not be considered an independent

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Boy, that's weird.

Would you also claim that anyone who doesn't detest Trump can not be considered an independent, as well?

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Doesn't matter for the purpose of the discussion.the discussion is independent voters who might vote Republican. My position stands.

Also, why am I even engaging in discussion with you? You will never vote trump or Republican. We are done.

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Good news for Trump supporters... and good news for Democrats.

Because if Trump wins the nomination, it's four more years of a Dem in the White House.

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This take is ridiculous! If Desantis can't win the primary, why the hell would he or any other gop win the general?

Either Republicans can win or they can't. Winners win the primary.

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Trump already showed that he turns off a lot of voters.

Biden isn't liked much better than Trump. If Biden is the candidate, it might be a toss-up or Trump might even have a slight edge.

But if Biden isn't the candidate, Trump would likely be trounced.

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Trump turning off a lot of voters? As long as that number is 49.9 percent I don't care. Remember how many voters Desantis pissed off with the "don't say gay" bull*****

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So many he won by 20 points and got a Super Majority in the FL Legislature with a mandate to do whatever he wanted to Disney to make them come to their senses.

DeSantis wins, Trump makes excuses for losing and blames everyone else.