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TLDR:

Sinoloa Cartel which was run by El Chapo is on its way out. It was relatively peaceful (by cartel standards). It focused on making money and used violence as needed to support the business.

Sinoloa is being replaced by Jalisco New Generation. JNG is almost a terror organization instead of a cartel. Whereas Sinoloa used violence as a tool to support their business operations, JNG views selling drugs as a way to finance their campaign of terror.

In other words the U.S. Government has competition?

FbgTxAg said:

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In other words the U.S. Government has competition?

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Probably the Gov pulling the strings like they've always done.

Trillions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq instead of our southern border.

Makes leaving all of the equipment there even more infuriating considering we can't even allocate the value of the "lost" equipment to build a wall.

Gotta love our government.

Wait until the kidnapping starts here.
Lol, our CIA , FBI will stand down.

Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

CJNG is on its way taking over virtually all of Mexico. The Sinaloa Cartel isn't the only one to lose out to them.

I appreciate all of you here who voted for this. Fantastic job!

Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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No he won't. Trump didn't drain the swamp, take care of the cartels, and let idiots control Covid. He was great on the economy, Russia and China, so kudos on that, but it's over. Trump needs to back DeSantis.

McKinney Ag69 said:

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I appreciate all of you here who voted for this. Fantastic job!

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Democrats love dead people. So many destructive policies.

And if we just legalize drugs it'll put the cartels out of business/ Every Libertarian and China

Dan Scott said:

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Trillions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq instead of our southern border.

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The fraud is WAY easier to pull off when you're running it half a world away.

We are lost. These mass shootings only act to serve notice; extreme levels of violence have arrived.

Cartel actions will be commonplace. You will become numb to it. Texas is becoming Mexico so deal with it. Thanks, Democrats.

DamnGood86 said:

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We are lost. These mass shootings only act to serve notice; extreme levels of violence have arrived.

Cartel actions will be commonplace. You will become numb to it. Texas is becoming Mexico so deal with it. Thanks, Democrats.

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Maybe. Or society could snap back and givr a green light to really crack down on violence. If criminals were being punished crime would slow to a crawl.

Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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Elect Trump and he'll ignore Mexican sovereignty and put an end to this? Yeah right.

Trump famously decided not to name CJNG and some others as terrorist organizations because Mexico's president asked him not to

ETA…you won't like the first 90 seconds of this video if you think Trump's the answer.

In the long run this transition may be what ends the current cartel structure in Mexico. JNG is going to generate a massive spike in violence on this side of the border, and as Zeihan points out it won't take too many dead suburban white women in Phoenix for the US government to finally declare all out war on the cartels on the Mexican side. And the US has essentially limitless leverage over the Mexican government so they will not only let it happen, they'll help.

Sinaloa always knew to not piss off the Americans too much. They didn't want drone strikes going down in their backyards. JNG doesn't seem to have any such reservations.

DamnGood86 said:

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We are lost. These mass shootings only act to serve notice; extreme levels of violence have arrived.

Cartel actions will be commonplace. You will become numb to it. Texas is becoming Mexico so deal with it. Thanks, Democrats.

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This is silly, the Mexican and American governments have had an understanding for decades that if Mexico couldn't keep the violence on this side of the border to a minimum we would do it for them. Intentional cartel violence in America against Americans not involved in the drug trade has always been extremely minimal, relatively speaking. If that ever changes, America has made it clear to Mexico we will wipe the current cartel structure from existence whether they like us killing their citizens or not.

Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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If the scenario Zeihan describes comes to pass, it won't matter who the president is. The decision really wouldn't even be there's to make.

And this idea that a democrat president wouldn't carry out something like this is silly. Barack Obama had more enemies killed abroad than any leader of any western democratic nation ever. Assassination drone strikes were maybe the single biggest hallmark of his presidency. There were nearly 600 of them in something like 9 different counties. And taking out the cartels would be easy in comparison because we always know where they are at all times, unlike many of the middle eastern targets Obama took out.

JNG cartel sound like a bunch of white supremacists.

War is knocking on our doorstep by an inferior nation's "true" leadership (cartels)???
Cartels are a conduit to flood AMERICA with people who hate America???? Not all but who really knows how many???

Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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And Mexico will pay for it?

Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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Right after they pay for that wall, right?

Infection_Ag11 said:

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DamnGood86 said:

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We are lost. These mass shootings only act to serve notice; extreme levels of violence have arrived.

Cartel actions will be commonplace. You will become numb to it. Texas is becoming Mexico so deal with it. Thanks, Democrats.

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This is silly, the Mexican and American governments have had an understanding for decades that if Mexico couldn't keep the violence on this side of the border to a minimum we would do it for them. Intentional cartel violence in America against Americans not involved in the drug trade has always been extremely minimal, relatively speaking. If that ever changes, America has made it clear to Mexico we will wipe the current cartel structure from existence whether they like us killing their citizens or not.

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Dont confuse the fear mongers and Rah Rah Trump guys with facts.

They will be around for a long time, being patient and remembering who their enemies are.

They need to be eradicated.

CardiffGiant said:

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War is knocking on our doorstep by an inferior nation's "true" leadership (cartels)???
Cartels are a conduit to flood AMERICA with people who hate America???? Not all but who really knows how many???

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It's our fault. I guess we just don't have the nuts of our forefathers or, grandfathers. What a spineless generation we have become. The left has your balls and you all do nothing. You groan and make fun of them on a message board as they advance.

Thanks for the cartel, joe.

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Build It said:

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Elect Trump. He's going to go after the Cartels with the military. Mexico sovereignty be damned, they are a narco State.

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No he won't. Trump didn't drain the swamp, take care of the cartels, and let idiots control Covid. He was great on the economy, Russia and China, so kudos on that, but it's over. Trump needs to back DeSantis.

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And what will DeSantis do? Has he said anything beyond " we must have our borders secure "?

How many JNG soldiers have come across the boarder in the last few years and are currently in a city near you? How many Americans will die in the process of us going after JNG? It is going to get messy. Sad.

Competition or a partner?

I dunno when Zeihan made the attached video but are we seeing the tip of the spear these past few weeks?

bg92 said:

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How many JNG soldiers have come across the boarder in the last few years and are currently in a city near you? How many Americans will die in the process of us going after JNG? It is going to get messy. Sad.

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Based on interviews with several different former intelligence folks I've seen in the last several months, the consensus seems to be it would only take a few weeks to effectively end all current Mexican cartel operations on both sides of the border if we ever really had a mind to do it. We know where all the major players are in Mexico at all times and have a pretty good idea where all the groups operating in the US are.

The average American thinks that if we knew where these people were in the US we'd arrest them all, and that's just not true. As long as the violence remains minimal we'll tolerate it like we have for decades because it's not worth the violence and resulting PR nightmare when everyone finds out just how many there are. But it would be very quick if we ever decide enough is enough.

It wouldn't be crazy to think people who hate the 2A (outside of this country) would want to create chaos that might endanger it so as to weaken the populace. Example: cartels or China.

China hates the 2A and has publicly said so recently.

The Cartels love that their compatriots can't fight back.

Whatever is eventually done, it can't be clandestine drone strikes or assassinations, one at a time.

It has to be fully disclosed, wholesale, extremely violent, and blitz-fast.

Have to take out every head and their (business) heirs to make sure no one wants to take up the mantle of drug lord again.

This. It needs to be a shock and awe moment on the cartels.