It's an inevitability. Timing is the issue. Maybe it comes in our lifetimes, maybe it doesn't. Personally hope I don't see it because I don't know what happens when you tell a lot of people that they're no longer required to be productive to survive. I probably will though.

One surprise hinderance to this type of tech being widely available is the environmental impact of the data centers. Right now between the major players several hundred data centers are being constructed and all consume massive amounts of power

FtA maybe you can build some data centers for GPT

Fox had cyberguy.com fella named Kurt on talking ChatGPT. He reminded folks, as others have done here, that you are providing data and information to these "services" and that data is stored and can be hacked, leaked or sold.

It is also subject to search and subpoena. For those above who think its great for helping write proposals and code… you do realize you are sharing potential sensitive company information to an open source software platform, for which you signed away your rights to that information and then indemnified the software company when you agreed to the terms and conditions, correct?

Would you normally go to Twitter or Facebook or TexAgs and ask strangers to help you write code and business proposals? Because that is exactly what you are doing with open AI tools.

I understand its here and there are benefits. But its an open kids play pen at a flea market during cold and flu season. You may get a good deal but you may come back with something you cannot shake. Tread carefully.

Artificial Intelligence is coming.
Is your current career safe? 🤔

All parents need to have a serious talk with their teenagers and give them some solid advice about what they aim for in a career. Because many of the jobs you thought were safe and going to disappear. 😦 pic.twitter.com/yAV83KzPdU

— Wall Street Silver (@WallStreetSilv) May 1, 2023

IBM has been wandering in the desert for the past 20+ years. They could probably make more money selling nostalgic typewriters.

The propaganda push on AI in the workplace is serving double action for the DNC commies. As the OP started with, it is useful to push UBI if jobs will be replaced by bots.

They can also argue the flip that we need unions to protect human workers from AI encroaching on their jobs, benefits and pay.

I am as skeptical regarding the reasons this is bubbling up all over now as I am about the "exponentially exponential" crowd saying it will change our lives profoundly by next Tuesday and to adopt it or else.

Check out the stock for Chegg, textbooks and study guides/support. Dropped 45% so far this morning after they said ChatGPT could hurt their growth…

Winner take all…and they are not going to be a winner.

I think this has the potential to be a great thing. How many of these jobs are doing the exact same thing in a different capacity? How much brainpower gets used "reinventing the wheel" so to speak? What happens when we release that mental effort and capacity towards resolving new problems instead of re-implementing existing technology over and over? I think we are just fretting over how the latest tech is going to run us all out of jobs when I think it is going to do the opposite. It frees up time and energy to do even more, and it has the potential to drastically lower barriers to entry into markets. What happens when your startup small business isn't required to have as many startup costs due to AI? This will end up benefiting markets in ways we can't even anticipate, all because we can focus more on innovation. We are lowering the bar needed to support oneself and thrive with this. I don't understand why UBI is anywhere in the discussion when we are essentially lowering the number of hours a week needed to provide the resources required to live.

You should be. The government isn't for us and never has been, and their media dogs are all too happy to do their bidding. But Elon, Lex Friedman, and others like them are not media dogs and don't give a **** about our governments agenda.

The exponentially exponential crowd are always wrong. But the "we need to protect human workers" union crowd will be wrong too. That crowd is going to die for sure. Run over and left for dead.

Self checkout counters were a slow innovation. Now there is 1 human register and 6 self checkout registers with 1 human managing it at every grocery store and walmart in the country. McDonalds is the same way. I haven't been in one in 10 years, but I stopped a few weeks back and was standing at the counter wondering when someone was going to take my order until someone came in behind me, hopped on the screen in the middle of the room and placed their order. I don't know whether to applaud MCD for giving the middle finger to rising minimum wages or be upset that 16yo's and idiots have less jobs available.

Maybe... and this is why I am in the 'let's wait and see how this plays out' camp. I am not in the exponential growth crowd. Are we at the bottom of the curve, or approaching an asymptote? It could very well just be a tool to increase productivity, but it could also quickly turn into a situation where AI can completely replace your startup's service for end users.

Right now, many companies are rushing to integrate AI into their workflows, but only a few have the resources to create truly powerful AI models. What happens when those companies decide to shut off their APIs and corner different market sectors? The more generalized AI becomes, the more likely that is to happen. There was a reason that Elon Musk and others wanted OpenAI to be a non-profit organization.

Most of us who are doing serious research for commercial products are using private versions of GPT 4. When Microsoft rolls out copilot into the entire office suite over the next two years your private company data will stay within the walls of Azure tenant and the the training you do on specific documents will be yours.
Organizations model and their prompts will be more or proprietary tools hosted in Microsoft tech. The applications we are POC testing now all call a private instance

What happens when the AI decides you private space should be public? You going to walk up and *****slap the monitor and tell it no?

I don't trust it.

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I used to spend 80 hours a year on performance reviews. Team of 40 2x per year. I did them all this year with more valuable content and solutions than ever in less than 10 this year leveraging ChatGPT

It will however create new problems to solve, for instance who is legally liable for what the machine says or does, especially since most people will rely on a few models like GPT or Bard

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I would say you are legally liable when you accept the output and deliver it to your clients/ employees.

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Most of us who are doing serious research for commercial products are using private versions of GPT 4. When Microsoft rolls out copilot into the entire office suite over the next two years your private company data will stay within the walls of Azure tenant and the the training you do on specific documents will be yours.
Organizations model and their prompts will be more or proprietary tools hosted in Microsoft tech. The applications we are POC testing now all call a private instance

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I can't wait to see NASA train an AI on 20 years of space station flight controller real time and sim log notes, procedures, timelines, telemetry, etc. Having a virtual flight controller operating as your back room would be pretty fun to watch develop.

There are layers and layers security and monitoring and with the most sensitive data air gaps. It'd have to be trained to do that. Which is another service we are working through "controls and Monitoring of your model" w a nefarious actor could try to influence the model to do things it wasn't design led to,

So proper info sec is more important than ever, I am long cyber security stocks

Definitely check out these videos on what MSFT will be adding this year


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/16/introducing-microsoft-365-copilot-a-whole-new-way-to-work/

Which sticks are these? Stock symbols plz

I think it would be good for this country if some of these office workers did some manual labor. A hard days work would change some attitudes about taxes and cure obesity.

We just implemented a clear policy against using Ai for anything other than writing poems about office workers or having it make jokes for us.

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I think finance dept like HR dept are 90% wasted space anyways. And I'm a finance guy (or was). Won't take much to replace.

As far as UBi my opinion hasn't changed. Our economy will need to change and people need to prepare to scale back

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Totally disagree. There's always human reliance of closing the books and projecting Financials that won't be replaced by AI.

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I'm surprised with all the recent excitement about ChatGPT that we haven't seen a resurgence in discussion about a universal basic income.

I assume some/most of you have played around with ChatGPT (and if not, you need to). Has seeing what this does, and assuming that 10 years from now it will be orders of magnitude better than what it is now, changed your views on the concept of a UBI?

I work in corporate finance and feel like this technology could easily replace me and my entire team and most of the entire department tbh. It almost feels to me like the future of my department/function would be a small handful of folks to steer the tools and write the prompts and ask the questions, and that would need maybe 80% less folks than what we have now. And I think other business areas would be far more vulnerable to this than finance.

Assuming something like this comes to fruition, what happens to the huge swath of folks left behind? Or is this the miracle that saves the worlds economy from the demographic collapse of the workforce?

I think this could be the greatest tool ever for furthering the "winner take all" economy. Definitely feel like I need to get on board with that now.

Thoughts?

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What does ChatGPT have to do with urinary tract infections?

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You do realize that people "working" doesn't stop with UBI.

So long as capitalism and free markets exist, material want will still have the vast majority of humans working in some shape or form to gain higher status and more things than their neighbors.

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The concept of working still exists with UBI, but the encentives to do so are drastically reduced, and so you get less of it...lowering the productivity of an entire society. I get that you think it's a simplistic take, but it really is that simple. It's the reason why socialism in all its forms(yes, even UBI) never works as well as the proponents expect

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It's a take I 100% agree with, if AI and automation wasn't going to be able to replace most of human productivity that has us where we are at in our standard of living. So yes, productivity of humans will be less overall, however the overall productivity will be much higher. Instead you have humans perusing making money doing things they truly want to do instead of make ends meet.

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What a shiny all is good Utopian attitude..

To bad AI will in some ways amplify human greed and desire for power. Leading edge AI is very expensive and does raise productivity through the roof meaning the ultra rich will get richer.

Will they share out of the goodness of their hearts is an age old question. BTW a capitalist to the core but this thing is a game changer like the printing press or the cotton gin, or factory assembly lines. Stuff this big changes economic and social fabrics

That's the whole point of the idea of a serious AI or automation tax to cover UBI.

Lots of discussion on the number of current jobs that are at risk, but not much discussion on either the jobs that will be created in the wake of this technology, or the downward pressure it will put on cost. If menial white collar jobs can be either eliminated or consolidated under a few people using GPT, that's a lot of cost savings that can be passed on to the consumer. And to keep competition high, business creation and success rates will benefit greatly from these new lower operating costs and less expensive business services like legal and marketing.

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How do you get it to respond to an RFP, with company specific information without walking it through each step?

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You literally just tell it. The prompting sometimes takes some back-and-forth, but it follows the dialogue, and that's the elegant thing about it.

For example, you can start by stating really broad parameters:..

"Can you write a proposal for a construction contract to build XYZ for ABC? XYX is such and such and ABC is such and such, and this other company, LMNOP is funding and will likely see the proposal."

It will say "Yes, I can help you with that."

You respond with, "here is the proposal request, word for word from the client"

It will give you a generic, fairly well-written template instantly.

Respond with whatever you want, "focus more on safety and turnaround times in the introduction. Eliminate the language about materials quality as we have a third-party materials provider anyhow, talk more about this or that, etc)...You can give it your MVV statements and **** like that and ask it to be more reflective of that...

It does it - so ****ing fast. It also knows what companies ABC and XYZ value, and that's kind of freaky. If your client is big, it will know who they are and it will write the proposal to them, better than a team of in-house people trained to do that research.

Once the proposal is written, simply tell it what the line items and numbers are, and then paste all that **** into your own template and then massage the details with your team.

It doesn't write you a finished proposal, but it gets you pretty close in no time.

By the time I told it what to write and what to focus on and proof read and suggested edits I could have written the damn thing myself.

As suspected. AI is a tool but is no replacement for intelligence in the the employee.

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Jordan Peterson is proof you don't need to have a 115 IQ to have a job. Evidently you can be clinical psychologist and professional ass clown.

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My friend, you, of all people, making fun of Jordan Peterson's intellect, is equivalent to me making fun of Michael Jordan's basketball game.

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LeBron? Is that you?

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You do realize that people "working" doesn't stop with UBI.

So long as capitalism and free markets exist, material want will still have the vast majority of humans working in some shape or form to gain higher status and more things than their neighbors.

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The concept of working still exists with UBI, but the encentives to do so are drastically reduced, and so you get less of it...lowering the productivity of an entire society. I get that you think it's a simplistic take, but it really is that simple. It's the reason why socialism in all its forms(yes, even UBI) never works as well as the proponents expect

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It's a take I 100% agree with, if AI and automation wasn't going to be able to replace most of human productivity that has us where we are at in our standard of living. So yes, productivity of humans will be less overall, however the overall productivity will be much higher. Instead you have humans perusing making money doing things they truly want to do instead of make ends meet.

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What a shiny all is good Utopian attitude..

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Agree. We've already seen what happens when people do "things they truly want to do," usually it's nothing at all or it ain't good. A healthy society consists of people who are productive and contributing value. God help us if that's no longer possible under AI and robotic advancements.

I didn't realize you can continue talking about a singular topic during a discussion, I thought it was you and the question and you get the answer and that's it.

Wow.

Yeah. It's ****ing bananas how intuitive it can be.

You can shoot it prompts that are crazy subjective and it will nail them. Like "make the second paragraph more technical" and "elaborate on XYZ's metrics using these numbers but focus on value not price, etc..."

It plugs them in seamlessly.

It's haunting.

People REALLY need to stop referring to these chatbots as AI. True AI doesn't exist. It is no closer to existing than it was a hundred or a thousand or a million years ago. We literally don't even know if such a thing is possible. These are are just automated processing programs utilizing progressively more advanced data collection algorithms.

The novelty is cool, and there are some practical applications to make things more time efficient in certain fields, but middle schoolers are posting the funny ways they trip up the algorithms to produce bizarre nonsense on Tik Tok. These are not realiable means of dramatically altering the nature of the workforce yet. And they certainly aren't capable of doing anything they aren't programmed to do.

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Yeah. It's ****ing bananas how intuitive it can be.

You can shoot it prompts that are crazy subjective and it will nail them. Like "make the second paragraph more technical" and "elaborate on XYZ's metrics using these numbers but focus on value not price, etc..."

It plugs them in seamlessly.

It's haunting.

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It's really not particularly remarkable when you realize the volume of data these programs have the ability to synthesize answers from.

But it's also not nearly as seamless as some are making it out to be. There is already an entire online genre of the wild nonsense you can get from them, both intentionally and accidentally.

Bluntly put, no you couldn't... You may be able to put some words on a piece of paper and have a general outline but it's not going to be well worded and put together. That takes time.

The thing works as Agswin said it does. Although I take issue with his sentiments on Jordan Peterson, he's right on this.

You can continue the discussion later... weeks later. It seems to learn from our previous conversations, so it knows my company and what we do, etc.

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Bluntly put, no you couldn't... You may be able to put some words on a piece of paper and have a general outline but it's not going to be well worded and put together. That takes time.

The thing works as Agswin said it does. Although I take issue with his sentiments on Jordan Peterson, he's right on this.

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I can do it just as fast. Sorry you were not blessed with the gift of prose.

I work in healthcare and AI just seems like a tool for providers to use in order to make us work more efficiently but not replace us. Every patient I see is different and there is never a one-size-fits-all treatment plan for any medical problem. AI is useful to save us enormous amounts of time in keeping up with the latest research and guidelines. But every treatment plan has to be individually tailored to each patient and I don't see how a computer program can do that.