Why DeSantis' war on Disney is a big mistake

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Have to admit I am not sure what that actually means. The district itself and their hiring practices? Okay.

Same edict on everyone inside the district? Maybe not.
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Clay is forgetting that until recently, Disney was a dividend stock.
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15 minute video by Andrew explaining the DEI rules.

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Just thought I'd post this since it includes an excerpt giving a little detail into the elimnation of the DEI program.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dismayed-desantis-disney-district-admin-142716012.html

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The district, which DeSantis now appoints the board of, said its decision came after an internal investigation found its previous leaders "implemented hiring and contracting programs that discriminated against Americans based on gender and race, costing taxpayers millions of dollars."

Now, the district is eliminating its DEI committee and associated job duties, as well as blocking its employees from working on DEI initiatives on the clock.

The previous leaders, before DeSantis took control of the district, "routinely awarded contracts based on racially and gender driven goals to businesses on the basis of their owners' race and gender," according to the announcement.

The district says "gender and racial quotas" were also given to contractors, which drained it of cash as it looked for complying businesses, which were "aggressively monitored" for their racial and gender practices.


Seems like a reasonable reason to eliminate a DEI program to me.
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DeSantis does a fantastic job here, this reporter was clearly trying to trap him and he had his thoughts ready and articulated them beautifully without allowing him to get way with the "you can just pick up the phone over there and call Iger, he wasn't even the one who started this!" crap.


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Disney's disastrous Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is set to lose $100 million, according to this report from the far-left Variety:
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"Indy 5," which opened in late June, has grossed $375 million globally after six weeks of release, while "M:I 7," which debuted in July, has generated $523 million after five weeks of release.

Those ticket sales are respectable in the current moviegoing landscape, especially because the films are part of decades-old properties aimed at older audiences.

The trouble is that each sequel cost roughly $300 million before marketing spends of at least $100 million, making them among the most expensive movies of all time. After falling short of expectations, they could lose nearly $100 million in their theatrical runs, according to sources familiar with the financials of similar productions.

That might be too generous The losses could be much more.

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Instead, believe the math…

Indiana Jones and the Dial of This Is What You Get When You Hire An Idiot Like Kathleen Kennedy cost at least $400 million to produce and promote. I've seen estimates as high as $430 million. Dial of Kathleen Kennedy Sucks only grossed $375 million worldwide. It didn't even earn back its costs. From here, the math is fairly easy… Theaters ate up at least $150 million of that $375 million, which leaves (and I'm being generous to the Disney Grooming Syndicate) $225 million for the Disney Grooming Syndicate. At a minimum, that's a $200 million loss for Disney. Then there's what we don't know, like how much Harrison Ford might take out of the gross.
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Even so, Dial of Kathleen Kennedy Needs to Clean Out Her Desk was supposed to earn hundreds of millions for these groomers. But instead of swimming in hundred-dollar bills, Disney is forced to urge their sycophants to write fake news about how Dial of Kathleen Should Be Escorted Out By Security could someday-perhaps-maybe break even.
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Disney will probably promote Kennedy! Greenlight a remake of Freaky Friday where the dad and daughter switch bodies, decide not to switch back and get married to one another.

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Im Gipper said:

Disney will probably promote Kennedy! Greenlight a remake of Freaky Friday where the dad and daughter switch bodies, decide not to switch back and get married to one another.
I think she's already left?
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Don't know! Maybe she did. I was going by your quote from the article that says she needs to be escorted out! Which is true!

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It will take a lot of losses to make the changes Disney needs to make internally. This is a good start. Disney needs to be a punchline like Bud Light. Then maybe they'll understand how far they went astray.
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Phatbob said:

It will take a lot of losses to make the changes Disney needs to make internally. This is a good start. Disney needs to be a punchline like Bud Light. Then maybe they'll understand how far they went astray.
I honestly think the BL and Disney things are different in a way.

The BL thing was really driven by one woman who probably didn't realize how bad she was dumping on their existing customer base when she gave her infamous interview. The combination of being easy to just drink a different beer and not wanting your friends to make fun of you for drinking BL hammered the brand for what was a couple of relatively small missteps that they have just been unwilling to own up to fully.

In the case of Disney, they have taken a brand known for being kid friendly and non-political and made the deliberate choice to "gay it up every chance we get" in the words on one of their executives. They hired directors with a history of wokeness to inject politics into places it didn't need to be, to reimagine otherwise popular franchises with gay/trans/woke characters and storylines, and otherwise just do things to destroy that kid-friendly and non-political brand reputation. They are seeing the logical outcome of making films and other content that parents who are looking for "kid friendly" don't want their kids exposed to at an early age. They are seeing the logical result of pissing off people who loved and supported their most popular franchise lines for years and who didn't see anything wrong with the way their favorite characters were before they all changed races and turned gay/trans.

For BL, it was a couple of stupid mistakes that they have been unwilling at the executive level to truly apologize for and show that they understand how they were wrong. For Disney, it was a brand level decision from the highest levels to set out to destroy their previous image and replace it with woke. I honestly don't see a way for Disney to recover from this. They have too much invested in woke to turn their back on it as forcefully as they need to in order to restore their reputation with parents. Raising all the prices at their parks in the midst of this is just making it easier for parents to make other choices for vacations/entertainment for their kids.
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That brief argued that the dispute between Disney and Florida was a state matter, not a federal one; that the 11th-hour covenants and agreements the RCID board enacted on its way out the door were never valid to begin with; and that Disney was making a baseless First Amendment claim in the lawsuit.

We haven't heard any news on that brief, but the CFTOD isn't giving up on asserting that it is the rightful governing authority over the property and surrounding area.

The CFTOD board's attorneys filed a motion on Tuesday in the state lawsuit against Disney, moving for summary judgment on five of the nine counts in the suit. The 28-page motion begins by declaring, "For each of these counts, there is no genuine dispute as to any material fact, and the District is entitled to judgment as a matter of law."
And if they get that summary judgment, most if not all of the federal suit becomes moot.

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The motion details the reason for the suit: those restrictive agreements and covenants that the RCID board attempted to enact in order to allow Disney to maintain control over the district even after RCID had been replaced by CFTOD. The motion recounts:
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After a public hearing, during which the District heard presentation from counsel regarding the illegality of the Agreements, the District adopted legislative findings detailing the legal defects in the Agreements and concluding that the Agreements are void ab initio [from the beginning]. Disney, however, continues to insist that the Agreements are valid and enforceable, thereby creating doubt about the District's ability to govern.

Consequently, the District filed this lawsuit seeking a declaratory judgment that the Agreements are void and unenforceable and an order enjoining Disney from enforcing them.

And here's a major no-no.

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The fourth count states that Disney violated the Florida Constitution when it attempted to issue bonds for capital projects without seeking the approval of voting residents within the district, while the fifth count charges that RCID sought to privatize governmental authority by "substitut[ing] Disney for the District as the final authority on all land use decisions" in violation of state law.
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aggiehawg said:

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Disney's disastrous Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is set to lose $100 million, according to this report from the far-left Variety:
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"Indy 5," which opened in late June, has grossed $375 million globally after six weeks of release, while "M:I 7," which debuted in July, has generated $523 million after five weeks of release.

Those ticket sales are respectable in the current moviegoing landscape, especially because the films are part of decades-old properties aimed at older audiences.

The trouble is that each sequel cost roughly $300 million before marketing spends of at least $100 million, making them among the most expensive movies of all time. After falling short of expectations, they could lose nearly $100 million in their theatrical runs, according to sources familiar with the financials of similar productions.

That might be too generous The losses could be much more.

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Instead, believe the math…

Indiana Jones and the Dial of This Is What You Get When You Hire An Idiot Like Kathleen Kennedy cost at least $400 million to produce and promote. I've seen estimates as high as $430 million. Dial of Kathleen Kennedy Sucks only grossed $375 million worldwide. It didn't even earn back its costs. From here, the math is fairly easy… Theaters ate up at least $150 million of that $375 million, which leaves (and I'm being generous to the Disney Grooming Syndicate) $225 million for the Disney Grooming Syndicate. At a minimum, that's a $200 million loss for Disney. Then there's what we don't know, like how much Harrison Ford might take out of the gross.
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Even so, Dial of Kathleen Kennedy Needs to Clean Out Her Desk was supposed to earn hundreds of millions for these groomers. But instead of swimming in hundred-dollar bills, Disney is forced to urge their sycophants to write fake news about how Dial of Kathleen Should Be Escorted Out By Security could someday-perhaps-maybe break even.
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Ok...

I'm really liking the alternative names for this movie...
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It's really hard to overstate just how badly Disney overplayed it's hand and is getting their ass kicked on every level around this. They are losing money, park attendance is down, movies are bombing, brand damage is catastrophic, and they are getting destroyed in Court over and over again.
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It's really hard to overstate just how badly Disney overplayed it's hand and is getting their ass kicked on every level around this. They are losing money, park attendance is down, movies are bombing, brand damage is catastrophic, and they are getting destroyed in Court over and over again.
Not to mention the shareholder suits and bond holders feeling less than secure in light of the Hulu deal coming up in a few months. Disney just doesn't have the cash, are already too highly leveraged to borrow enough to cover that acquisition with their bond issues.
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Here we go again.

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Hollywood financer TSG Entertainment is suing Disney for breach of contract.

The suit filed Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court alleges that Disney and its studio 20th Century Fox committed a number of transgressions, including withholding profits and cutting deals to boost its streaming platforms and stock price. This act deprived TSG of cash to invest in individual films and its efforts to sell its stakes in other movies, the lawsuit says.
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And as they're already running short of cash on hand, it doesn't make much sense to keep shooting yourself with the same woke bullet in the foot.
Today, accusations are some of the cash buying the bullets didn't belong to them to begin with. They were firing woke on other people's dimes. Not only not sharing what was rightfully the other company's, but doing some financial magic wand waving to gin up monies owed that weren't. For just the 3 films they'd had audited, TSG found out Disney had underpaid them by $40M.
That's some cha-ching.
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…Noticing a decline in profits, TSG requested an audit of a sampling of three of the films it financed for 20th Century Fox. TSG alleges that it found "rampant self-dealing" and "accounting tricks" within the books and had been underpaid by at least $40 million.

"At its root, it is a chilling example of how two Hollywood behemoths with a long and shameful history of Hollywood Accounting, Defendants Fox and Disney, have tried to use nearly every trick in the Hollywood Accounting playbook to deprive Plaintiff TSG the financier who, in good faith, invested more than $3.3 billion with them out of hundreds of millions of dollars," the suit says.
In one alleged incident, TSG said Fox licensed "The Shape of Water," which won best picture at the 2018 Academy Awards, to FX, a channel owned by the studio, for $4 million less than it should have under its output agreement.

Additionally, TSG said through its audit that it found it had not been credited with revenue it should have received and was charged millions of dollars for distribution fees that weren't part of its revenue-participation agreement with the studio.

Via Hot Air
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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.


The conflict between the up-and -coming -going nowhere Republican ... .
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AC Hopper said:

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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.


The conflict between the up-and -coming -going nowhere Republican ... .
Took 3 1/2 months to come up with that?
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AC Hopper said:

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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.


The conflict between the up-and -coming -going nowhere Republican ... .
I bet that sounded clever in your head...
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The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.
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AC Hopper said:

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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.


The conflict between the up-and -coming -going nowhere Republican ... .
So DeSantis is in the midst of one of the most successful takedowns of a company pushing Woke and interfering in politics and that's your response? This along with the Bud Light stuff is literally turning back the tide on ESG and DEI and Woke politics in business. I have no idea where DeSantis' Presidential campaign ends up but this is something we should all be celebrating. The fact that he accomplished this under immense pressure from both sides is even more impressive.
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Bill Clinternet said:

The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.
I don't know if he would have or not, and neither do you. But I know he would not have had the level of support he did in the legislature without them going woke and coming out strongly in favor of grooming young kids in schools without parental consent. Disney could have handled their opposition (for whatever reason) to the law against early childhood grooming in schools much better too.
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Bill Clinternet said:

The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.
Fact of the matter is that Disney had been a bad neighbor and the state legislators and governors had long desired to change the law to eiiminate the deal but didn't have the votes to do so until now.

Andrew of Legal Mindset, was General Counsel for Universal Studios several years back and he went to the legislature to request that they get the same sweet deal Disney had had for all those years. The response was, "Hell no, we'll neve do that again."
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The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.

It wasn't just that Disney went "woke" but they actively campaigned against an educational bill which has zero impact to an entertainment coporation.
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Bill Clinternet said:

The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.


There are plenty of woke companies in Florida. DeSantis removed special privileges they allowed Disney because they made up lies to campaign against him. Punishing isn't the same thing, and you know this.
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The TSG lawsuit is very interesting, because if it pans out (and possibly even if it doesn't), then all other Disney financiers will sue for Disney to open their books as well.

If the statue of limitations on this type of suit is 5 years, Disney's 2019 slate of 9 different billion dollar movies could suddenly become giant payday to financiers.

Add in the rumors, that Iger was planning to use financial misdeeds to eject KK from Lucasfilms, the situation becomes much more sticky.

Openly admit financial misdeeds in one part of the company while denying them in every other part of the company?

Iger is in a mess
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DeSantis removed special privileges they allowed Disney because they made up lies to campaign against him.
Reedy Creek was not the only special improvement district affected by the change in the law, as well. So it was not just targeted solely at Disney.
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As akm stated, and I've stated numerous times before, certain liberal leaning posters want to play fast and loose with the facts and claim that Desantis is punishing Disney because they are woke or they dared say something about him. That's simply not the truth and I'm sure that those posters know it.

The truth is that Desantis didn't do a single thing until Disney publicly stated they were going to get involved in Florida politics and actively campaign and contribute to changing Florida law, a law that does not affect them in one single way. Disney decided that their agenda was how Florida parents needed to raise their kids to the extent they wanted to overturn established Florida law to do so.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Bill Clinternet said:

The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.


There are plenty of woke companies in Florida. DeSantis removed special privileges they allowed Disney because they made up lies to campaign against him. Punishing isn't the same thing, and you know this.
Actually, it was when Disney stepped into the political realm and starting to actively work against the Parental Rights in Education bill...

Once they were in the political ring, there was a lot more scrutiny on their Reedy Creek deal. Politics does tend to remove a bit of that privacy veil...

Next thing you know, Reedy Creek goes bye bye...
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DeSantis removed special privileges they allowed Disney because they made up lies to campaign against him.
Reedy Creek was not the only special improvement district affected by the change in the law, as well. So it was not just targeted solely at Disney.
I could've sworn it was the legislature that passed a law making the changes too, not simply an executive action by DeSantis. Oh well, I admit to not really caring that much, other than to laugh at Disney and fans of their pedophile supportive management.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Bill Clinternet said:

The argument here is this; Would DeSantis have taken over Reedy Creek had Disney not been "woke"? I think it is clear he would not have and neither did any Florida governor before him.

While he is right about Woke being bull****, this could have and should have been approached in a different way.


There are plenty of woke companies in Florida. DeSantis removed special privileges they allowed Disney because they made up lies to campaign against him. Punishing isn't the same thing, and you know this.
So he used his office to retaliate against them?

That right there is basically stating he violated their First Amendment Rights. You guys on the right can blame Citizens United for that.

So which is it?

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