I wonder what the woodworking shop looks like...

Well well well, now the parks even are 'surprisingly uncrowded and empty.' "Disney World hasn't felt this empty in years."

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Jaime Brown, a speech pathologist and Walt Disney World annual pass holder who lives in Celebration, Fla., visited the resort three times during the Independence Day week, hitting all four of the resort's parks.
When Brown visited Disney's Epcot theme park during that stretch, she says she walked onto the

Spaceship Earth attraction without waiting. On another day, she scored a last-minute breakfast reservation at Topolino's Terrace in Disney's Riviera Resort, which typically books out weeks in advance.

"I couldn't believe how light the crowds were," Brown says, adding that the parks felt busier during a 2021 summertime visit.

Florida's summer heat, humidity and heavy rains make summer a relatively quiet season at the state's theme parks. The heat index exceeded 100 degrees on several days in early July.

Disney has also intentionally thinned crowds at parks, aiming to improve the park experience for a smaller number of visitors who will spend more money.

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Did you miss the last paragraph of the article?

Places realized people will pay a premium to visit less crowded parks.

Noticed many places are trending this way.

And… Disney is also hurting no doubt from economy and their political shenanigans.

Let their stock get hammered more then invest.

Yeah, that's why I pasted that segment. The thing is, they have gutted pricing to try to fill it though, and it's still emptier than during covid. They can claim different strategies all they want, I think it's clear traffic is lower than it was/they want it to be. They are also selling some stuff there cheaper it says, like the pre-paid meal plans.

I don't plan to buy any disney stock for a good long while/ever.

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Well well well, now the parks even are 'surprisingly uncrowded and empty.' "Disney World hasn't felt this empty in years."

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Jaime Brown, a speech pathologist and Walt Disney World annual pass holder who lives in Celebration, Fla., visited the resort three times during the Independence Day week, hitting all four of the resort's parks.
When Brown visited Disney's Epcot theme park during that stretch, she says she walked onto the

Spaceship Earth attraction without waiting. On another day, she scored a last-minute breakfast reservation at Topolino's Terrace in Disney's Riviera Resort, which typically books out weeks in advance.

"I couldn't believe how light the crowds were," Brown says, adding that the parks felt busier during a 2021 summertime visit.

Florida's summer heat, humidity and heavy rains make summer a relatively quiet season at the state's theme parks. The heat index exceeded 100 degrees on several days in early July.

Disney has also intentionally thinned crowds at parks, aiming to improve the park experience for a smaller number of visitors who will spend more money.

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Ive never seen more than a 15 minute line for Spaceship Earth. It's out of date and prone to stoppage.

Most Florida annual pass holders were.blocked out durning 4th of July week and Spaceship earth has frequent stops because of assisting people to get to their wheelchairs after the ride.

Plus over the past few years, summers have become less crowed because of the heat and most of the Disney festivals or either in the spring or fall which attract larger attendance.

Neighbors just got back. They have gone every summer for years. They said that they have never seen crowds this low in the summer. Park reservations are open for all parks every day. Wait times are low. Dining reservations are available. Park attendance is low. Not sure why people are trying to deny that. Even Disney isn't denying it. Not a good time for the Disney company on several fronts.

Peter Pan wait time at MK right now is 110 minutes.

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Peter Pan wait time at MK right now is 110 minutes.

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Overall averages, not just one ride.

Again, Disney knows attendance is down. Not sure why you're trying to dispute it. Go watch some park vlogs from the fourth. Even the obsessed Disney-adult vloggers were shocked at the low attendance.

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Neighbors just got back. They have gone every summer for years. They said that they have never seen crowds this low in the summer. Park reservations are open for all parks every day. Wait times are low. Dining reservations are available. Park attendance is low. Not sure why people are trying to deny that. Even Disney isn't denying it. Not a good time for the Disney company on several fronts.

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Maybe it's due to global climate change? /libs

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Most Florida annual pass holders were.blocked out durning 4th of July week and Spaceship earth has frequent stops because of assisting people to get to their wheelchairs after the ride.

Plus over the past few years, summers have become less crowed because of the heat and most of the Disney festivals or either in the spring or fall which attract larger attendance.

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No. Epcot Art festival just ended and Food and Wine is about to start.

The bleeding continues for latest Indy film.

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If struggling Disney had any hopes of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny breaking even at the box office, those hopes were dashed this weekend, as the fifth and final Harrison Ford swashbuckler fell to second place in the U.S. and Canada after just one week.

According to Variety, Patrick Wilson's fifth installment in the Insidious series knocked Indiana Jones off the top spot with a $32.6 million debut on 3,188 screens. Dial of Destiny earned just $26.5 million on 4,600 screens.

Do the math: Indy earned about $5,760 per screen while Insidious: The Red Door did nearly double that at $10,226.

That's a lot of empty seats for an Indiana Jones movie in its second week in theaters.

Indy cost $300 million to produce, not including an additional $150 million in marketing expenses, and it isn't likely to break even, even after video sales. Disney won't be able to recoup any costs on streaming sales, either, since their own properties stream exclusively on the studio's multi-billion-dollar-losing Disney+ streamer. Dial of Destiny had been expected to lose somewhere between $200-$250 million before its massive, second-week 56% box office decline. In contrast, last year's Top Gun: Maverick mega-hit fell off just 33% in its second week.

Even worse for Indy's box office prospects: Tom Cruise's second-to-last Mission: Impossible comes out next week, and the hype indicates that it's going to be this year's Maverick.

In further contrast, The Red Door cost just $16 million to produce and marketing seems to have been largely word-of-mouth. I mean, I love a good supernatural horror movie, and yet I had no idea there was a fifth Insidious movie or that it was already in theaters.

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As I already stated, the Florida AP holders were blocked out the week of the 4th. Now that they are not, wait times for rides have jumped back up to normal times. Even Spaceship Earth is 25 minutes wait time.

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The bleeding continues for latest Indy film.

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If struggling Disney had any hopes of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny breaking even at the box office, those hopes were dashed this weekend, as the fifth and final Harrison Ford swashbuckler fell to second place in the U.S. and Canada after just one week.

According to Variety, Patrick Wilson's fifth installment in the Insidious series knocked Indiana Jones off the top spot with a $32.6 million debut on 3,188 screens. Dial of Destiny earned just $26.5 million on 4,600 screens.

Do the math: Indy earned about $5,760 per screen while Insidious: The Red Door did nearly double that at $10,226.

That's a lot of empty seats for an Indiana Jones movie in its second week in theaters.

Indy cost $300 million to produce, not including an additional $150 million in marketing expenses, and it isn't likely to break even, even after video sales. Disney won't be able to recoup any costs on streaming sales, either, since their own properties stream exclusively on the studio's multi-billion-dollar-losing Disney+ streamer. Dial of Destiny had been expected to lose somewhere between $200-$250 million before its massive, second-week 56% box office decline. In contrast, last year's Top Gun: Maverick mega-hit fell off just 33% in its second week.

Even worse for Indy's box office prospects: Tom Cruise's second-to-last Mission: Impossible comes out next week, and the hype indicates that it's going to be this year's Maverick.

In further contrast, The Red Door cost just $16 million to produce and marketing seems to have been largely word-of-mouth. I mean, I love a good supernatural horror movie, and yet I had no idea there was a fifth Insidious movie or that it was already in theaters.

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As I already stated, the Florida AP holders were blocked out the week of the 4th. Now that they are not, wait times for rides have jumped back up to normal times. Even Spaceship Earth is 25 minutes wait time.

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Ok, man. Let Disney know that attendance is fine because they're indicating it's down.

One of the reasons for increasing ticket prices is to reduce attendance to give those who bought tickets abetter experience. Guess it's working.

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One of the reasons for increasing ticket prices is to reduce attendance to give those who bought tickets abetter experience. Guess it's working.

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LOL. I'm sure the people in the Boardroom all agreed that was just a fantastic idea, since you know every other move they have made recently has been such a colossal success.

Nm

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One of the reasons for increasing ticket prices is to reduce attendance to give those who bought tickets abetter experience. Guess it's working.

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This isn't what's happening. There are park reservations available for everyday for the rest of the year. Everyday. They had a special for FL residents this summer that cost something like $240 for four park days. That's super cheap. People are getting hard-to-get dining reservations easily right now. Attendance is down, period.

You can like Disney and admit that things aren't going well at the moment. They SHUT DOWN the Star Wars hotel after a year, for Pete's sake. Their movie division is in shambles. They need to get back to what their customers want, get new leadership, and let the woke crap go.

Why Disney is like a secular religion for some superfans


We have a few of these folks on here. Interesting read.

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You can like Disney and admit that things aren't going well at the moment. They SHUT DOWN the Star Wars hotel after a year, for Pete's sake. Their movie division is in shambles. They need to get back to what their customers want, get new leadership, and let the woke crap go.

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I'm in 100% agreement that going woke is hurting Disney at the box office and at the parks.

But isn't the bolded because they overestimated how much the star wars nerds would spend on a cosplay hotel? Not because of wokeness?

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One of the reasons for increasing ticket prices is to reduce attendance to give those who bought tickets abetter experience. Guess it's working.

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This isn't what's happening. There are park reservations available for everyday for the rest of the year. Everyday. They had a special for FL residents this summer that cost something like $240 for four park days. That's super cheap. People are getting hard-to-get dining reservations easily right now. Attendance is down, period.

You can like Disney and admit that things aren't going well at the moment. They SHUT DOWN the Star Wars hotel after a year, for Pete's sake. Their movie division is in shambles. They need to get back to what their customers want, get new leadership, and let the woke crap go.

Why Disney is like a secular religion for some superfans


We have a few of these folks on here. Interesting read.

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Well said. Disney was a money-making machine for decades and decades. It took some dedicated work to screw that proven business model up this bad.

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You can like Disney and admit that things aren't going well at the moment. They SHUT DOWN the Star Wars hotel after a year, for Pete's sake. Their movie division is in shambles. They need to get back to what their customers want, get new leadership, and let the woke crap go.

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I'm in 100% agreement that going woke is hurting Disney at the box office and at the parks.

But isn't the bolded because they overestimated how much the star wars nerds would spend on a cosplay hotel? Not because of wokeness?

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For sure. I wasn't tying the hotel to the woke stuff. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Hmmm. Let's actively reduce the number of butts through the gate so we can stay laser focused on the ones that spend more money while here.

That is, dare we say it, two teas level of economic wizardry.

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You can like Disney and admit that things aren't going well at the moment. They SHUT DOWN the Star Wars hotel after a year, for Pete's sake. Their movie division is in shambles. They need to get back to what their customers want, get new leadership, and let the woke crap go.

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I'm in 100% agreement that going woke is hurting Disney at the box office and at the parks.

But isn't the bolded because they overestimated how much the star wars nerds would spend on a cosplay hotel? Not because of wokeness?

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Not necessarily. Had that hotel focused on the original Star Wars franchise, say a Death Star, with more original characters that were easily recognizable, the older (more affluent) fans would have liked it more. But focusing on exclusively the later sequel/prequels with few characters people knew and liked didn't pose the same attraction, not at that price, anyway.

So in a way, it was a wokeness issue, is my understanding.

But just think how much happier 10% of their employees are, because they can brag about their virtue. #worthit

Crowds visiting Disney theme parks have THINNED this summer - with Fourth of July weekend the slowest in nearly a decade

So was Universal and hotel tax income was way down. So not just Disney suffering from attendance.

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So was Universal and hotel tax income was way down. So not just Disney suffering from attendance.

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You have said so many confusing things in your last several posts. Disney is limiting attendance (no) it's the price (no) it's the lack of festivals (no) attendance isn't down (no) etc. Now you're back to admitting attendance is down?

Universal attendance is probably down because less people are coming to Disney. That will change when their new park opens, which they are making great progress on. If Disney doesn't right the ship, Universal will be the primary destination and Disney will be the if-we-have-time destination. Disney is hurting. You can almost find a bad news article about Disney everyday. I know you're a Disney apologist but sometimes you just have to be honest about what's going on.

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As I already stated, the Florida AP holders were blocked out the week of the 4th. Now that they are not, wait times for rides have jumped back up to normal times. Even Spaceship Earth is 25 minutes wait time.

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If Spaceship Earth's wait time is only 25 minutes during the summer, attendance is LOW.

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As I already stated, the Florida AP holders were blocked out the week of the 4th. Now that they are not, wait times for rides have jumped back up to normal times. Even Spaceship Earth is 25 minutes wait time.

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If Spaceship Earth's wait time is only 25 minutes during the summer, attendance is LOW.

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Not with Guardians, Frozen, Ratatouille all operational. Spaceship Earth queue being 25 minutes is actually surprising to me.

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So was Universal and hotel tax income was way down. So not just Disney suffering from attendance.

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You have said so many confusing things in your last several posts. Disney is limiting attendance (no) it's the price (no) it's the lack of festivals (no) attendance isn't down (no) etc. Now you're back to admitting attendance is down?

Universal attendance is probably down because less people are coming to Disney. That will change when their new park opens, which they are making great progress on. If Disney doesn't right the ship, Universal will be the primary destination and Disney will be the if-we-have-time destination. Disney is hurting. You can almost find a bad news article about Disney everyday. I know you're a Disney apologist but sometimes you just have to be honest about what's going on.

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Why does one have to be labeled a "Disney apologist" when they simply add in relevant information?

Disney is limiting attendance. This is ell known and discussed. Also, I believe S Florida also had some record heat and I think people spent their 4ths of July in different manners.

I have not dug into the numbers of Disney vs Universal, but if both are down then you have to factor that in. If Universal was up and Disney down, then there may be some fire with the smoke.

There are a multitude of factors at work hurting Disney these days. And for sure several of those factors have to do with their woke BS that really became intolerable with their agenda to push LGBTQIA++ horsekaka onto children and their "Don't Say Gay" bill involvement.

But one doesn't need to be a Disney apologist to say "yes Disney is hurting, but it's not as bad a some make it out to be".

The fact you find many negative articles and that forms part of your support for thinking Disney is in trouble is a pure example that negative propaganda is working.

Which is all fine. We will see what they report as actual numbers/revenue in a couple weeks I guess, and figure out if they are matching attendance with their goals or not. Personally, I am very dubious they will be 'on track.'

Back to the thread topic, Ron DeSantis blames their woke agenda for the drop though, while pointing out again that he won Osceola county, which is basically Orlando (Disney park employees), the first time a Republican has done so in many years.

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"I think it is impacting parents who want to take their kids to Disney," DeSantis said to The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

He added that the rank-and-file Disney workers support his efforts based on 2022 electoral data from the counties surrounding Disney World in the Orlando, Florida, area.

"The sad part about it, guys, is when we were having this fight with Disney in 2022, most of the employees in their Orlando area theme parks agreed with us," DeSantis said.

"I won Osceola County for the first time a Republican has done in a generation by 7 percentage points, which is where the majority of Disney employees live," the 2024 Republican presidential candidate said.

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Which is all fine. We will see what they report as actual numbers/revenue in a couple weeks I guess, and figure out if they are matching attendance with their goals or not. Personally, I am very dubious they will be 'on track.'

Back to the thread topic, Ron DeSantis blames their woke agenda for the drop though, while pointing out again that he won Osceola county, which is basically Orlando (Disney park employees), the first time a Republican has done so in many years.

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"I think it is impacting parents who want to take their kids to Disney," DeSantis said to The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show.

He added that the rank-and-file Disney workers support his efforts based on 2022 electoral data from the counties surrounding Disney World in the Orlando, Florida, area.

"The sad part about it, guys, is when we were having this fight with Disney in 2022, most of the employees in their Orlando area theme parks agreed with us," DeSantis said.

"I won Osceola County for the first time a Republican has done in a generation by 7 percentage points, which is where the majority of Disney employees live," the 2024 Republican presidential candidate said.

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Disney will not report their attendance figures, they never give those, but one can tell by hotel tax revenue that hotel stays are down and that effects all theme parks, not just Disney.

If one wants, you can say it's because of the political situation, but the overall economy is a factor in vacation travel from cost of travel, both airlines and car travel are way up to off site hotel cost being more expensive. Plus the summer heat tends to lower park attendance. Who wants to take a 6 year old and pound cement for 8 to 10 hours.

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So was Universal and hotel tax income was way down. So not just Disney suffering from attendance.

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You have said so many confusing things in your last several posts. Disney is limiting attendance (no) it's the price (no) it's the lack of festivals (no) attendance isn't down (no) etc. Now you're back to admitting attendance is down?

Universal attendance is probably down because less people are coming to Disney. That will change when their new park opens, which they are making great progress on. If Disney doesn't right the ship, Universal will be the primary destination and Disney will be the if-we-have-time destination. Disney is hurting. You can almost find a bad news article about Disney everyday. I know you're a Disney apologist but sometimes you just have to be honest about what's going on.

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Why does one have to be labeled a "Disney apologist" when they simply add in relevant information?

Disney is limiting attendance. This is ell known and discussed. Also, I believe S Florida also had some record heat and I think people spent their 4ths of July in different manners.

I have not dug into the numbers of Disney vs Universal, but if both are down then you have to factor that in. If Universal was up and Disney down, then there may be some fire with the smoke.

There are a multitude of factors at work hurting Disney these days. And for sure several of those factors have to do with their woke BS that really became intolerable with their agenda to push LGBTQIA++ horsekaka onto children and their "Don't Say Gay" bill involvement.

But one doesn't need to be a Disney apologist to say "yes Disney is hurting, but it's not as bad a some make it out to be".

The fact you find many negative articles and that forms part of your support for thinking Disney is in trouble is a pure example that negative propaganda is working.

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Propaganda?? Attendance is verifiably down. There are park reservations open for every day for the rest of the year. That's not Disney limiting attendance. That's people not showing up.

Read his posts about Disney. He's an apologist. And that's fine. I get that may people are very attached to the Disney company. But if one thinks Disney is happy with attendance right now, they aren't being objective.

That will end my engagement with you. I've seen way too many deleted posts with you involved. Have a great day!

Yeah but this isn't the first summer it's been warm in Orlando, and comparing it to the Fauci flu years in particular should be possible, biden economy or no.