Why DeSantis' war on Disney is a big mistake

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The Banned said:

murphyag said:

Ags4DaWin said:

Neehau said:

Urban Ag said:

Neehau said:

geoag58 said:

DeSantis is not in the wrong. Society at the state level has the right to set standards of morality. Disney is catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida. Short term there may be repercussions, long term the people of Florida will decide if it is worth it to take the correct stand. My money is on the people of Florida telling Disney to keep their deviant leanings to themselves and stick to serving families with moral entertainment.
This is a remarkable claim.

How, precisely, is Disney "catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida"?


DeSantis/Florida GOP pass a bill that prohibits topics of a sexual nature being discussed in Florida public school classroom by teachers or school administration. The law is applicable to kindergarten thru third grade (5 thru 9 year old students in public schools).

DeSantis, the Florida GOP, and apparently an overwhelming majority of Florida voters find this to be very reasonable legislation.

Disney went full tilt on willfully and purposely engaging in state politics by publicly opposing the legislation and spreading lies and deceit about the bill, claiming it was anti-gay and anti-trans, hence the "don't say gay" thing that never existed. The bill simply removes sexuality from curriculum for 5 to 9 year olds.

I'd say that Disney attacked DeSantis, not the other way around. They went on the attack, he has countered.

And yes, sexualizing 5 to 9 year olds is deviant and evil.
Teaching boys and girls about anything that naturally occurs in nature is not deviant and evil.

Is it more of your belief that we should relay to them more of a biblical education?


Teaching 8 year olds the techniques of anal sex oral sex, or any sex is wrong. Period.

That is for the parents to teach or not teach at that age.


What schools are teaching these things? Do you have the names and locations of any schools who have actually done this? I always see people talking about it on here, but I don't know anyone who has had this happen at their kids schools. And it hasn't happened at any of the schools my kids have attended.


Then you haven't been paying attention to the numerous posts from the last couple years.

Question: if no one was doing it, why were all the teachers/activists/Disney freaking out about it? Should have been a non-issue, no?


Sure. I've seen posts on here before. That's why I'm asking about it. None of the posts have ever said the names/locations of these schools. I have never seen a poster on here say that it is happening at their child's school and what the name/school district/location of school is. That is what I'm trying to find out.
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Neehau said:

Relevant Article

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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.

DeSantis, who signed the bill into law, decided to take punitive action, stripping the company of its privileged tax status and creating a new board to oversee Disney's special taxing district. Not to be outfoxed, Disney struck a multi-decade deal with the outgoing board members days before the new, DeSantis-appointed one took over.

After the new board rendered the agreement null and void, Disney struck back with force and filed a lawsuit against the governor and his oversight board, claiming that he weaponized his political power to punish the company for exercising its free speech rights. With each side digging its heels in, the conflict is turning into a quagmire.
It is well known that lawmakers in Florida have proposed legislation that could impact Disney's special tax district status. The proposed legislation would change the requirements for such districts and will make it more difficult for Disney to maintain its current status. The questions lingering would be why is now the time to change anything after the trillions of dollars Disney has brought to the Florida economy over the years?

Governor DeSantis has targetted Disney, particularly in regards to Disney's COVID-19 policies.
The OP doesn't like their favorite cultural indoctrination factories being rightfully targeted and confronted for pushing sexual depravity on children.
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The Banned said:

This is ChatGPT for sure. Can't answer a simple question.
Yep. Almost no doubt this is either a full on chatbot, or someone using ChatGPT to write out the responses, but still being posted by a person.
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Neehau said:

Cargo Shorts FTW said:

Neehau said:

It is well known that lawmakers in Florida have proposed legislation that could impact Disney's special tax district status. The proposed legislation would change the requirements for such districts and will make it more difficult for Disney to maintain its current status. The questions lingering would be why is now the time to change anything after the trillions of dollars Disney has brought to the Florida economy over the years?


Uh, yeah, no. Not by anyone's math. Sure does sound cool though.




Really?

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/14/walt-disney-world-remains-florida-biggest-political-power-50-years-later/5919720001/
Really. https://www.calculator.com/

granted, if you take the numbers in that article as legit and if you assume they hold same current day value for 50 years of disney world, sure. But neither of these things are true.
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murphyag said:

The Banned said:

murphyag said:

Ags4DaWin said:

Neehau said:

Urban Ag said:

Neehau said:

geoag58 said:

DeSantis is not in the wrong. Society at the state level has the right to set standards of morality. Disney is catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida. Short term there may be repercussions, long term the people of Florida will decide if it is worth it to take the correct stand. My money is on the people of Florida telling Disney to keep their deviant leanings to themselves and stick to serving families with moral entertainment.
This is a remarkable claim.

How, precisely, is Disney "catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida"?


DeSantis/Florida GOP pass a bill that prohibits topics of a sexual nature being discussed in Florida public school classroom by teachers or school administration. The law is applicable to kindergarten thru third grade (5 thru 9 year old students in public schools).

DeSantis, the Florida GOP, and apparently an overwhelming majority of Florida voters find this to be very reasonable legislation.

Disney went full tilt on willfully and purposely engaging in state politics by publicly opposing the legislation and spreading lies and deceit about the bill, claiming it was anti-gay and anti-trans, hence the "don't say gay" thing that never existed. The bill simply removes sexuality from curriculum for 5 to 9 year olds.

I'd say that Disney attacked DeSantis, not the other way around. They went on the attack, he has countered.

And yes, sexualizing 5 to 9 year olds is deviant and evil.
Teaching boys and girls about anything that naturally occurs in nature is not deviant and evil.

Is it more of your belief that we should relay to them more of a biblical education?


Teaching 8 year olds the techniques of anal sex oral sex, or any sex is wrong. Period.

That is for the parents to teach or not teach at that age.


What schools are teaching these things? Do you have the names and locations of any schools who have actually done this? I always see people talking about it on here, but I don't know anyone who has had this happen at their kids schools. And it hasn't happened at any of the schools my kids have attended.


Then you haven't been paying attention to the numerous posts from the last couple years.

Question: if no one was doing it, why were all the teachers/activists/Disney freaking out about it? Should have been a non-issue, no?


Sure. I've seen posts on here before. That's why I'm asking about it. None of the posts have ever said the names/locations of these schools. I have never seen a poster on here say that it is happening at their child's school and what the name/school district/location of school is. That is what I'm trying to find out.
You need to look harder. There have been countless threads about teachers, schools, and even school districts doing this.

I'll give you one hint to get going, start with Loudon County Schools.
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The Banned said:

This is ChatGPT for sure. Can't answer a simple question.
I answered your question.
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Neehau said:

geoag58 said:

DeSantis is not in the wrong. Society at the state level has the right to set standards of morality. Disney is catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida. Short term there may be repercussions, long term the people of Florida will decide if it is worth it to take the correct stand. My money is on the people of Florida telling Disney to keep their deviant leanings to themselves and stick to serving families with moral entertainment.
This is a remarkable claim.

How, precisely, is Disney "catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida"?



The injection of homosexual and transgender content in children's programming.

The leaked Zoom meeting made it quite clear what their agenda was.

I just posted a video a week ago where two cartoon dinosaurs are pretending to be incubating eggs that are actually rocks. The kids notice that both are 'daddies'. They work the rest of the episode to obtain real eggs for the 'daddies' to hatch so they can have a 'family'.

This ^ is deliberate, it's evil, it undermines one of the foundations of society, and it is absolutely degenerate.

Par the course, an f16 liberal is running defense for the groomers and peddlers of perversion.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Disney should drop their war on childrens' innocence.
Disney should just go back to producing quality movies and running theme parks without agenda to force down everyone's throat. Yeah, I know it is my choice to consume or not consume their products.

Glad my daughter no longer gives a crap about Disney or its movies (other than MCU), otherwise I'd have to sit through the Black Little Mermaid movie next month. No thanks.
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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
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I deeply despise liberals. It's amazing how evil and out of touch they are while pretending to be caring and accepting and lovers of personal freedom.
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Cargo Shorts FTW said:

Neehau said:

Cargo Shorts FTW said:

Neehau said:

It is well known that lawmakers in Florida have proposed legislation that could impact Disney's special tax district status. The proposed legislation would change the requirements for such districts and will make it more difficult for Disney to maintain its current status. The questions lingering would be why is now the time to change anything after the trillions of dollars Disney has brought to the Florida economy over the years?


Uh, yeah, no. Not by anyone's math. Sure does sound cool though.




Really?

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/14/walt-disney-world-remains-florida-biggest-political-power-50-years-later/5919720001/
Really. https://www.calculator.com/

granted, if you take the numbers in that article as legit and if you assume they hold same current day value for 50 years of disney world, sure. But neither of these things are true.
Ok. Now take that little calculator of yours and divide the aggregate impact of $75.2B by the risk free rate of return (or a proxy, say the rate orlando pays on municipal bonds) and that is the present value of their presence in the area.
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Quit carrying the water for Disney. Leave our kids alone!
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Teaching boys and girls about anything that naturally occurs in nature is not deviant and evil.
This belief in and of itself is wrongheaded and deviant.
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The Banned said:

This is ChatGPT a liberal for sure. Can't Won't answer a simple question.
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TheEternalPessimist said:

Neehau said:

geoag58 said:

DeSantis is not in the wrong. Society at the state level has the right to set standards of morality. Disney is catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida. Short term there may be repercussions, long term the people of Florida will decide if it is worth it to take the correct stand. My money is on the people of Florida telling Disney to keep their deviant leanings to themselves and stick to serving families with moral entertainment.
This is a remarkable claim.

How, precisely, is Disney "catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida"?



The injection of homosexual and transgender content in children's programming.

The leaked Zoom meeting made it quite clear what their agenda was.

I just posted a video a week ago where two cartoon dinosaurs are pretending to be incubating eggs that are actually rocks. The kids notice that both are 'daddies'. They work the rest of the episode to obtain real eggs for the 'daddies' to hatch so they can have a 'family'.

This ^ is deliberate, it's evil, it undermines one of the foundations of society, and it is absolutely degenerate.

Par the course, an f16 liberal is running defense for the groomers and peddlers of perversion.
Would you prefer they profess biblical values, then?
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Would you prefer they profess biblical values, then?
Yes.
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Oh look, another liberal trying to explain to us how wrong Desantis's judgement is when he has bscially eliminated democrat opposition in Florida during his 5 years in office. Yeah, his decision making is terrible...He should keep doing more of it.
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murphyag said:

DeSantis was re-elected for the simple reason that he kept Florida open during Covid. The state lives and dies by tourism industry. The average Florida resident isn't sitting around worried about what goes on at Disney World. Now, I'm not a Disney fan, been twice in my life and neither was by my choice. Have never cared for their cartoons. But, it does seem to me like DeSantis went after them only because they had their own ideas about the not saying the word gay stuff and Disney doing their own thing regarding masks, social distancing, etc. The Disney Reddy Creek agreement started in 1967. It obviously wasn't some big issue or otherwise everyone would have been talking about it since the 1960s. To a casual observer it looks like DeSantis is trying to get revenge on Disney because they didn't fall in line and do what he told them to do. I don't like it when elected officials start telling companies how to run their business. That's not small government in my opinion. I wish DeSantis would move on to other things because this Disney stuff has already lost him some big donors and will lose him lots of voters because they think he should be spending time on other issues in the state. I know nobody where I own a home gives two sheets about Disney. SW Florida is just trying to survive the aftermath of Hurricane Ian in September. Third most costly hurricane in U.S. history. $113 billion in damages. Homes destroyed, businesses destroyed, jobs lost, insurance screwing people over and denying or barely paying anything on claims. This is the kind of stuff DeSantis should be spending more time on. There are people on my island who won't be able to move back into their condos until some time in 2024 because they won't even get electricity back until January 2024 at the earliest. The hurricane was in September of 2022. There are so many families in desperate situations in SW Florida right now. The Disney stuff is the last thing they care about. Byron Donalds and his staff have been the real Godsends to our area after the hurricane. I think it is very telling that he and all but one of the rest of the Republican congressmen from Florida have endorsed Trump.

You should spent on time and effort on some white spacing.

Desantis moved in tons of resources to get basic services and transportation on-line in near record time given this was a cat-5. Even his political enemies had to give him props. But your island is more telling? Call me skeptical

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Rockdoc said:

Your little chat game is getting old. Take it elsewhere.
I think I will hang around awhile.

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Stupid opinion article.

Aside from failing immediately to correct the statement the law is a "don't say gay" law - anyone that claims that is the law is a 100% liar or moron incapable of basic reading skills.

The opinion also has these deliciously moronic statements:

  • While many Republicans love the culture wars, it is far from clear that it is a winning strategy in a national elections. This is 100% perfect example of liberals blaiming conservaitives of doing exactly what liberals are already doing. There wouldn't be a democrat party if they couldn't find someone to use as a pawn to start a culture war. Women, gays, non-Christians, insert color of person not white, etc. Liberals have zero policy that isn't designed to start a culture war.

  • It's also not a great look for a potential Republican presidential candidate to go after corporate America. What moron says this with a straight face and uses it as an example of something an R politician did wrong - what do liberal idiots think Biden has done and continues to push even further to corporate oil companies?

This is an opinion piece written by a moron partisan hack for morons to parrot. Disney isn't leaving Florida, and Desantis is only using the tools available to encourage Disney to stop acting like partisan moron liberals.
Staff - take out the trash.
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murphyag said:

The Banned said:

murphyag said:

Ags4DaWin said:

Neehau said:

Urban Ag said:

Neehau said:

geoag58 said:

DeSantis is not in the wrong. Society at the state level has the right to set standards of morality. Disney is catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida. Short term there may be repercussions, long term the people of Florida will decide if it is worth it to take the correct stand. My money is on the people of Florida telling Disney to keep their deviant leanings to themselves and stick to serving families with moral entertainment.
This is a remarkable claim.

How, precisely, is Disney "catering to evil mentally ill deviants and rubbing it in the face of the people of Florida"?


DeSantis/Florida GOP pass a bill that prohibits topics of a sexual nature being discussed in Florida public school classroom by teachers or school administration. The law is applicable to kindergarten thru third grade (5 thru 9 year old students in public schools).

DeSantis, the Florida GOP, and apparently an overwhelming majority of Florida voters find this to be very reasonable legislation.

Disney went full tilt on willfully and purposely engaging in state politics by publicly opposing the legislation and spreading lies and deceit about the bill, claiming it was anti-gay and anti-trans, hence the "don't say gay" thing that never existed. The bill simply removes sexuality from curriculum for 5 to 9 year olds.

I'd say that Disney attacked DeSantis, not the other way around. They went on the attack, he has countered.

And yes, sexualizing 5 to 9 year olds is deviant and evil.
Teaching boys and girls about anything that naturally occurs in nature is not deviant and evil.

Is it more of your belief that we should relay to them more of a biblical education?


Teaching 8 year olds the techniques of anal sex oral sex, or any sex is wrong. Period.

That is for the parents to teach or not teach at that age.


What schools are teaching these things? Do you have the names and locations of any schools who have actually done this? I always see people talking about it on here, but I don't know anyone who has had this happen at their kids schools. And it hasn't happened at any of the schools my kids have attended.


Then you haven't been paying attention to the numerous posts from the last couple years.

Question: if no one was doing it, why were all the teachers/activists/Disney freaking out about it? Should have been a non-issue, no?


Sure. I've seen posts on here before. That's why I'm asking about it. None of the posts have ever said the names/locations of these schools. I have never seen a poster on here say that it is happening at their child's school and what the name/school district/location of school is. That is what I'm trying to find out.


Here are the Illinois standards: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/8/11/23300381/sex-ed
Talks about how education starts in 3rd grade and
The standards also expect sixth through eighth graders to be able to "Define vaginal, oral, and anal sex."

Drag shows in New York school
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-elementary-kids-get-surprise-drag-queen-performance-talent-show/1700057/%3famp=1

https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/maryland-bill-would-force-schools-to-teach-children-about-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-and-intersectionality/

Maryland's state standards include gender fluidity, transexuality, and intersectionality starting in pre-k

These 3 examples took me 5 minutes on Google to find and google liked to memory hole this stuff.

As many of these standards were attempted to be implemented parents pushed back which is why the FBI is now actively investigating g parents who speak out against this at school board meetings.

Seriously where have you been over the past 18 months?

These are not isolated schools. These things are attempted to be implemented district wide and as state standards.
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Neehau said:

Relevant Article

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The conflict between the up-and-coming Republican and the company behind Mickey Mouse started when Disney, responding to protests from its own employees, criticized the "Don't Say Gay" bill limiting discussions about sexual and gender identity in the classroom.

DeSantis, who signed the bill into law, decided to take punitive action, stripping the company of its privileged tax status and creating a new board to oversee Disney's special taxing district. Not to be outfoxed, Disney struck a multi-decade deal with the outgoing board members days before the new, DeSantis-appointed one took over.

After the new board rendered the agreement null and void, Disney struck back with force and filed a lawsuit against the governor and his oversight board, claiming that he weaponized his political power to punish the company for exercising its free speech rights. With each side digging its heels in, the conflict is turning into a quagmire.
It is well known that lawmakers in Florida have proposed legislation that could impact Disney's special tax district status. The proposed legislation would change the requirements for such districts and will make it more difficult for Disney to maintain its current status. The questions lingering would be why is now the time to change anything after the trillions of dollars Disney has brought to the Florida economy over the years?

Governor DeSantis has targetted Disney, particularly in regards to Disney's COVID-19 policies.
You provided not analysis as to why it is a big mistake. Disney stuck their nose where it did not belong.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
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Jeeper79 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
Playing in the game of politics has ALWAYS had consequences for the people that choose to support the losing side. Elections have consequences, remember? Disney had no business sticking their nose into this particular political tent and the law in question had nothing to do with them. They picked a fight with a state government that had given them exceptionally favorable treatment for decades over something that was none of their business. Why are you asking why the government is changing their treatment instead of asking why Disney decided to get political after 50+ years of being Switzerland?
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So. Much. This.
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txags92 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
Playing in the game of politics has ALWAYS had consequences for the people that choose to support the losing side. Elections have consequences, remember? Disney had no business sticking their nose into this particular political tent and the law in question had nothing to do with them. They picked a fight with a state government that had given them exceptionally favorable treatment for decades over something that was none of their business. Why are you asking why the government is changing their treatment instead of asking why Disney decided to get political after 50+ years of being Switzerland?
Disney has freedom of speech. Even involvement in politics is protected by freedom of speech. That means they can't legally be retaliated against. It's in the constitution and the principle has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

For as much as some of y'all that yell about having your freedom of speech stifled, y'all sure have a hard time seeing it when it's finally ACTUALLY happening.
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This will be irrelevant topic IMO to most outside the Orlando area.
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Jeeper79 said:

txags92 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
Playing in the game of politics has ALWAYS had consequences for the people that choose to support the losing side. Elections have consequences, remember? Disney had no business sticking their nose into this particular political tent and the law in question had nothing to do with them. They picked a fight with a state government that had given them exceptionally favorable treatment for decades over something that was none of their business. Why are you asking why the government is changing their treatment instead of asking why Disney decided to get political after 50+ years of being Switzerland?
Disney has freedom of speech. Even involvement in politics is protected by freedom of speech. That means they can't legally be retaliated against. It's in the constitution and the principle has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

For as much as some of y'all that yell about having your freedom of speech stifled, y'all sure have a hard time seeing it when it's finally ACTUALLY happening.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. The first amendment says government can't prevent them from saying what they want to say. It has no bearing on whether government has to keep giving them special privileges that nobody else is getting.
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Garrelli 5000 said:

Stupid opinion article.

Aside from failing immediately to correct the statement the law is a "don't say gay" law - anyone that claims that is the law is a 100% liar or moron incapable of basic reading skills.

The opinion also has these deliciously moronic statements:

  • While many Republicans love the culture wars, it is far from clear that it is a winning strategy in a national elections. This is 100% perfect example of liberals blaiming conservaitives of doing exactly what liberals are already doing. There wouldn't be a democrat party if they couldn't find someone to use as a pawn to start a culture war. Women, gays, non-Christians, insert color of person not white, etc. Liberals have zero policy that isn't designed to start a culture war.

  • It's also not a great look for a potential Republican presidential candidate to go after corporate America. What moron says this with a straight face and uses it as an example of something an R politician did wrong - what do liberal idiots think Biden has done and continues to push even further to corporate oil companies?

This is an opinion piece written by a moron partisan hack for morons to parrot. Disney isn't leaving Florida, and Desantis is only using the tools available to encourage Disney to stop acting like partisan moron liberals.
Play silly games, win silly prizes.
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txags92 said:

Jeeper79 said:

txags92 said:

Jeeper79 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
Playing in the game of politics has ALWAYS had consequences for the people that choose to support the losing side. Elections have consequences, remember? Disney had no business sticking their nose into this particular political tent and the law in question had nothing to do with them. They picked a fight with a state government that had given them exceptionally favorable treatment for decades over something that was none of their business. Why are you asking why the government is changing their treatment instead of asking why Disney decided to get political after 50+ years of being Switzerland?
Disney has freedom of speech. Even involvement in politics is protected by freedom of speech. That means they can't legally be retaliated against. It's in the constitution and the principle has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

For as much as some of y'all that yell about having your freedom of speech stifled, y'all sure have a hard time seeing it when it's finally ACTUALLY happening.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. The first amendment says government can't prevent them from saying what they want to say. It has no bearing on whether government has to keep giving them special privileges that nobody else is getting.
It absolutely does when the aggressor is the government. Otherwise there is no freedom from speech.

What if militia members were rounded up because they spoke about anarchy? What if KKK were rounded up because they use racial slurs?

The whole idea of " no freedom from consequences" is a strictly private sector construct. You can be legally deplatformed for being a d-bag. But the government can't do anything.
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What if militia members were rounded up because they spoke about anarchy? What if KKK were rounded up because they use racial slurs?

If you want to compare with Disney, it'd be more like the militia guys (an no one else) were using Army Bases to train, and now they aren't going to be allowed to. Or if the Klanidiots were parading using the local Fire Trucks (and no one else could) and that got taken away
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Because this is basically the same thing with the first amendment rather than the second.
You do not have a constitutionally protected right to groom other people's children no matter how much you may want to.
Are you saying Disney has done something illegal? As in, laws-on-the-books illegal? Because I'd love to see which one you think applies. And why DeSantis wouldn't have started with that one.
Playing in the game of politics has ALWAYS had consequences for the people that choose to support the losing side. Elections have consequences, remember? Disney had no business sticking their nose into this particular political tent and the law in question had nothing to do with them. They picked a fight with a state government that had given them exceptionally favorable treatment for decades over something that was none of their business. Why are you asking why the government is changing their treatment instead of asking why Disney decided to get political after 50+ years of being Switzerland?
Disney has freedom of speech. Even involvement in politics is protected by freedom of speech. That means they can't legally be retaliated against. It's in the constitution and the principle has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

For as much as some of y'all that yell about having your freedom of speech stifled, y'all sure have a hard time seeing it when it's finally ACTUALLY happening.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. The first amendment says government can't prevent them from saying what they want to say. It has no bearing on whether government has to keep giving them special privileges that nobody else is getting.
It absolutely does when the aggressor is the government. Otherwise there is no freedom from speech.

What if militia members were rounded up because they spoke about anarchy? What if KKK were rounded up because they use racial slurs?

The whole idea of " no freedom from consequences" is a strictly private sector construct. You can be legally deplatformed for being a d-bag. But the government can't do anything.
So if you had a contract with governor abbot's office and Beto wins the next election, you expect that you can spend his entire term bad mouthing Beto while keeping your job because it would be illegal to retaliate against you by ending the contract? You are delusional if you think that is the way things work.
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CanyonAg77 said:

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What if militia members were rounded up because they spoke about anarchy? What if KKK were rounded up because they use racial slurs?

If you want to compare with Disney, it'd be more like the militia guys (an no one else) were using Army Bases to train, and now they aren't going to be allowed to. Or if the Klanidiots were parading using the local Fire Trucks (and no one else could) and that got taken away
But Disney ISN'T the only entity with this sort of arrangement. They're just the only ones being targeted.
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They chose to put a target on themselves.
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They chose to put a target on themselves.
And they have that right, free from retaliation.

Y'all are lucky Disney sued, and you better pray they can win and get this undone. Otherwise it's open season on "thought crimes" in blue states, and you can bet the charges will stick.
 
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