Admiral Adama said:

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I'm fairly certain you can't definitively say that homosexuality is out of bounds in the natural law definition. Homosexuality is observable in nature, both in animals and humans, throughout recorded history. It might not be common, but it is not unnatural.

I also think, explaining, and rationalizing away homosexuality as exclusively a pursuit of pleasure cheapens the actual reasons that people partner and share lives together.

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It's not a question about whether or not something exists. Vice and evil exists in the world. It's violative of natural law. Murder is a really observable thing in nature. Although it's probably defensible in your mind as long as the murderer found it pleasurable.

I think lots of people pursue relationships to serve their own interests. That's not unique to homosexuals. It's just that their relationships are inherently immoral.

Bob Lee said:

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Admiral Adama said:

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I'm fairly certain you can't definitively say that homosexuality is out of bounds in the natural law definition. Homosexuality is observable in nature, both in animals and humans, throughout recorded history. It might not be common, but it is not unnatural.

I also think, explaining, and rationalizing away homosexuality as exclusively a pursuit of pleasure cheapens the actual reasons that people partner and share lives together.

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It's not a question about whether or not something exists. Vice and evil exists in the world. It's violative of natural law. Murder is a really observable thing in nature. Although it's probably defensible in your mind as long as the murderer found it pleasurable.

I think lots of people pursue relationships to serve their own interests. That's not unique to homosexuals. It's just that their relationships are inherently immoral.

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Did you really just compare gay people to murderers?

That's not what he's saying and you know that.

agent-maroon said:

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That's not what he's saying and you know that.

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Jeeper claims to support DeSantis except for his anti-grooming stance. Which is his most supported moderate stance. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

texagbeliever said:

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agent-maroon said:

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That's not what he's saying and you know that.

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Jeeper claims to support DeSantis except for his anti-grooming stance. Which is his most supported moderate stance. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

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Anti groomer is code for anti gay. It's not a moderate stance. He's also anti business. That's not a conservative stance either.

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Anti groomer is code for anti gay.

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Straw man alert!

Jeeper79 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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agent-maroon said:

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That's not what he's saying and you know that.

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Jeeper claims to support DeSantis except for his anti-grooming stance. Which is his most supported moderate stance. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

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Anti groomer is code for anti gay. It's not a moderate stance. He's also anti business. That's not a conservative stance either.

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But YOUR stance is moderate? Why are conservatives expected to change but you aren't?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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agent-maroon said:

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That's not what he's saying and you know that.

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Jeeper claims to support DeSantis except for his anti-grooming stance. Which is his most supported moderate stance. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

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Anti groomer is code for anti gay. It's not a moderate stance. He's also anti business. That's not a conservative stance either.

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But YOUR stance is moderate. Why are conservatives expected to change but you aren't?

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Teaching elementary school kids gender ideology and sexual fluidity is not moderate, it's far left.

FTAC2011 said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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agent-maroon said:

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That's not what he's saying and you know that.

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Jeeper claims to support DeSantis except for his anti-grooming stance. Which is his most supported moderate stance. Nothing he says should be taken seriously.

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Anti groomer is code for anti gay. It's not a moderate stance. He's also anti business. That's not a conservative stance either.

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But YOUR stance is moderate. Why are conservatives expected to change but you aren't?

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Teaching elementary school kids gender ideology and sexual fluidity is not moderate, it's far left.

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No he is super moderate. If you are against teachers telling 1st graders about their sex life gay or straight it is you who has the problem. Jeeper do you support teachers and administrators giving students chest binders? Do you support Colorado and California barring the need for parental consent to begin transition surgeries or hormones? Because that is the lefts direction in 5 years.