Zach Bryan is STUPID.

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Gigem314
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Johnny Cash: Cash was known for his progressive political views and often wrote songs that dealt with issues such as prison reform, poverty, and social justice. Some of his songs with left-leaning lyrics include "Man in Black," which addresses the struggles of working-class people, and "What is Truth," which was written in response to the Vietnam War.
Not exactly an accurate description. Yes, Cash was an advocate for prison reform and helping those in poverty. That didn't make him a liberal progressive. He visited the Republican Nixon White House and was very supportive of Billy Graham...things you would NOT see from a superstar entertainer today.

'Man in Black' is more of a song about him wanting to look out for the downtrodden. It's a song about empathy, which I think is more of a reflection of his faith than it is him wanting to be a leftist progressive.
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Gigem314 said:

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Johnny Cash: Cash was known for his progressive political views and often wrote songs that dealt with issues such as prison reform, poverty, and social justice. Some of his songs with left-leaning lyrics include "Man in Black," which addresses the struggles of working-class people, and "What is Truth," which was written in response to the Vietnam War.
Not exactly an accurate description. Yes, Cash was an advocate for prison reform and helping those in poverty. That didn't make him a liberal progressive. He visited the Republican Nixon White House and was very supportive of Billy Graham...things you would NOT see from a superstar entertainer today.

'Man in Black' is more of a song about him wanting to look out for the downtrodden. It's a song about empathy, which I think is more of a reflection of his faith than it is him wanting to be a leftist progressive.

Very true but there are so many errors in that post that it's not worth responding to them all.

They should have just said, "everything that is bad is a conservative value."
Gigem314
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Oh I agree, there are several on that list who weren't liberal progressives despite the 'descriptions'.

The Cash thing is just fresh for me though because I visited his museum in Nashville not long ago. He may have questioned a lot of social norms for his time, but I don't see how anyone can walk away from that place thinking Cash was a liberal progressive like the artists of today.

He was a flawed man humbled by many of his mistakes and that fueled his love for the downtrodden...with his faith in Christ at the center of it. I have an even greater appreciation for his music after experiencing that. It's a hopeful story of never giving up...even with your mistakes.
Urban Ag
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Garth wrote a song about how it's super cool for a teenage boy to have sex with a widow.

Reba had a fun one about an attractive young lady being coached by her mother in to high dollar prostitution.

Country has always been at the forefront of hard hitting social commentary.



aTm2004
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Gigem314 said:

JB!98 said:

BurnetAggie99 said:

Yea Isabell and Childers plus Sturgill Simpson is also liberal. What's shocking is both Childers and Simpson grew up in rural conservative Kentucky. Jason Isabell from also conservative Alabama. You question what the hell happened there. They say they have influences like Waylon Jennings, George Jones, Merle Haggard and so forth but choose to forget their country upbringing and roots
It always make me wonder if they feel like they need to say these things even though they don't necessarily believe them.
I would imagine this happens more often than we think.

These artists get a taste of success and money, with more people telling them what they need to do...so they compromise in order to not rock the boat. I would imagine most executives, labels, and media people in the industry are pretty far to the left, even in country. Artists become surrounded by these people in a huge bubble, and less connected to the real world. It's no surprise they become more populist the further they move up. I'm sure some of them are true believers, but I doubt they all are. I would imagine the pressure of having an "accepting" public image on social issues is immense. Any little thing that could make you appear as "not caring" could destroy your career or close the doors on big opportunities.

Someone mentioned Stapleton's "The world is different than it was before George Floyd" comment, and I remember when that came out. It was in midst of all these artists rushing to their social media to virtue signal over it on a daily basis. Stapleton's comment was brief and seemed almost forced, like he had to say something and did the bare minimum. Maybe he's left of center, but I haven't seen him make any other preachy comments about politics like many of today's artists do - particularly the female country artists.
Several months ago, Michael Berry was talking about the politics within music and how many "country" artists are big libs. He mentioned that there are also several very conservative musicians as well, especially within the Red Dirt scene. He talked about one of them being ultra conservative and almost Ted Cruz like, but will never say so publicly due to his management team not wanting it to potentially hurt him. Michael was like "I'm not going to tell you his name, but rat mean..." where he essentially said it was Pat Green.

I kind of already knew this was happening, but I guess it was validation for what I had suspected.

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You hear stories of early female artists in the music industry from the 60's/70/'s/80's having to be a certain way, or do things that compromised their values, in order to move forward in their careers. I think the woke movement in the music industry (most recently country) and the long-time leftist bubble of Hollywood is the modern version of that for ALL artists.
As someone who was born in the early-80's and was coming of age when Reba was at the height of her career, I've always wondered what her number is. You know she worked her way up, Fancy style.
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dustin999 said:

We all see where country music has evolved as of late. The industry is intentionally elevating the libs and trying to silence conservative voices because they think it makes country music more accessible to the masses.

As a result, all of these newer featured artists like Chris Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell are being elevated because of their left-leaning politics.

Yet you have guys like Morgan Wallen selling ****loads of albums and sold out concerts, but they want to marginalize people like that.
How is he being marginalized? He's won multiple CMA awards, is played on almost every country radio music hour and is top of some of the pop charts.

Zach Bryan is also on a lot of the top pop charts.
Based Hiker
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RGLAG85 said:

CanyonLakeAgbu said:

I am glad to see all the haters on this thread. Won't have to worry about any of them when the show comes to College Station this fall.
Y'alls definition of "hate" is quite snowflaky. You're, as is Zach, completely missing the discussion of how he stepped in it. Here's a hint, it has nothing to do with what someone wants to do in their private life.
I guess I don't see how it relates to the music. I have been to probably 40 concerts over the last two years and only one of them said anything remotely political. That was Mr. Tritt, and it was a comment in passing. I am capable enough to be able to go and enjoy a concert for the music without giving a damn about their political leanings or their sordid affairs. When I saw Zach Bryan in concert, he said very little during the entire set and it all related to the band or the venue.

The great thing about twitter is that it allows people to go in and give their opinions on matters in a separate outlet from their music. He gave his and I don't agree with it. I don't have to agree with someone 100% before I can enjoy their contribution. I don't think that makes me a snowflake, but oh well.
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CanyonLakeAgbu said:

RGLAG85 said:

CanyonLakeAgbu said:

I am glad to see all the haters on this thread. Won't have to worry about any of them when the show comes to College Station this fall.
Y'alls definition of "hate" is quite snowflaky. You're, as is Zach, completely missing the discussion of how he stepped in it. Here's a hint, it has nothing to do with what someone wants to do in their private life.
I guess I don't see how it relates to the music. I have been to probably 40 concerts over the last two years and only one of them said anything remotely political. That was Mr. Tritt, and it was a comment in passing. I am capable enough to be able to go and enjoy a concert for the music without giving a damn about their political leanings or their sordid affairs. When I saw Zach Bryan in concert, he said very little during the entire set and it all related to the band or the venue.
It relates to music in a way that people may not want to support or give their money to someone who disagrees with them politically, especially when they align with groups who have a legit hate for anyone with an opposing view.

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The great thing about twitter is that it allows people to go in and give their opinions on matters in a separate outlet from their music. He gave his and I don't agree with it. I don't have to agree with someone 100% before I can enjoy their contribution. I don't think that makes me a snowflake, but oh well.
Not really. When you're a musician, especially a solo artist, your name is your brand. And in a genre where the core base of fans are conservative blue collared individuals, aligning yourself with social issues they do not agree with puts your brand in jeopardy. Hell, look at what's happening with Anheuser Busch. Zach will never sniff even a fraction of a percent of the brand recognition as Bud Light, yet they lost focus of who their base is and it's cost them.

The smart play was to stay silent.
dustin999
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BeardedBear said:

dustin999 said:

We all see where country music has evolved as of late. The industry is intentionally elevating the libs and trying to silence conservative voices because they think it makes country music more accessible to the masses.

As a result, all of these newer featured artists like Chris Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell are being elevated because of their left-leaning politics.

Yet you have guys like Morgan Wallen selling ****loads of albums and sold out concerts, but they want to marginalize people like that.
How is he being marginalized? He's won multiple CMA awards, is played on almost every country radio music hour and is top of some of the pop charts.

Zach Bryan is also on a lot of the top pop charts.
Are you serious? He was banned from the CMAs in 2021, removed from playlists on platforms like Youtube Music and Spotify, etc.

My wife just bought a new vehicle with Sirius XM 6 months ago, and I have yet to see a single song of his played on any of the country stations.

YT Music had several of his songs in one of their curated playlists. After the ban, they removed all of his songs from these playlists. When they lifted the ban, those songs never made their way back into those playlists.

These are just a few examples.
JB!98
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dustin999 said:

BeardedBear said:

dustin999 said:

We all see where country music has evolved as of late. The industry is intentionally elevating the libs and trying to silence conservative voices because they think it makes country music more accessible to the masses.

As a result, all of these newer featured artists like Chris Stapleton, Sturgill Simpson, Jason Isbell are being elevated because of their left-leaning politics.

Yet you have guys like Morgan Wallen selling ****loads of albums and sold out concerts, but they want to marginalize people like that.
How is he being marginalized? He's won multiple CMA awards, is played on almost every country radio music hour and is top of some of the pop charts.

Zach Bryan is also on a lot of the top pop charts.
Are you serious? He was banned from the CMAs in 2021, removed from playlists on platforms like Youtube Music and Spotify, etc.

My wife just bought a new vehicle with Sirius XM 6 months ago, and I have yet to see a single song of his played on any of the country stations.

YT Music had several of his songs in one of their curated playlists. After the ban, they removed all of his songs from these playlists. When they lifted the ban, those songs never made their way back into those playlists.

These are just a few examples.
I had not heard any of this. Why was he excluded? My son was listening to him on Spotify and that is how I got to know his music. I am interested in how he was blacklisted and why?
BG Knocc Out
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Irish 2.0 said:

Gigem314 said:

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Celebrities don't live in reality. Don't care how humble their beginnings may be, they change quick.
This.

They live in a pampered bubble mostly surrounded by other wealthy and socially liberal people. Their brand becomes more important than their personal views...so they change/shape their views to fit the echo chamber they're part of. Some go all-in, others do it sparingly but begrudgingly go along.

It really makes me appreciate guys like Chris Stapleton and Chris Pratt. They go out of their way to stay out of political preaching (which tells me they don't lean left) and focus instead on entertaining their audience. They don't see themselves as activists trying to inform the public.
Stapleton has not stayed out of politics and is a flaming liberal
Yep, he has some pipes but is definitely the enemy of me and my family. He's an evil POS.
BG Knocc Out
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Gigem314 said:

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Johnny Cash: Cash was known for his progressive political views and often wrote songs that dealt with issues such as prison reform, poverty, and social justice. Some of his songs with left-leaning lyrics include "Man in Black," which addresses the struggles of working-class people, and "What is Truth," which was written in response to the Vietnam War.
Not exactly an accurate description. Yes, Cash was an advocate for prison reform and helping those in poverty. That didn't make him a liberal progressive. He visited the Republican Nixon White House and was very supportive of Billy Graham...things you would NOT see from a superstar entertainer today.

'Man in Black' is more of a song about him wanting to look out for the downtrodden. It's a song about empathy, which I think is more of a reflection of his faith than it is him wanting to be a leftist progressive.
Plus, "progressive" in the 50's, 60's and 70's isn't even iin the same ballpark as "progressive" today. Calling Johnny Cash "progressive" in any way, as a citizen of 2023, is laughably absurd.
Based Hiker
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Morgan Wallen was excluded when he yelled a forbidden word and it was caught on video. As far as I know, Zach Bryan has not done that or been banned.
JB!98
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CanyonLakeAgbu said:

Morgan Wallen was excluded when he yelled a forbidden word and it was caught on video. As far as I know, Zach Bryan has not done that or been banned.
I prefer not to keep up with that kind of drama so I have read nothing about any of this. Just interested in why Zach may have been excluded. As far as my reading, he is a pretty emotional guy that was messed up by his Mom's death. I could see his emotions getting the best of him. Which seems like what happened here.
 
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