Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Disgusting.

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Yep. All we need to to is get rid of 10 or 20 so that thousands of Ukes and Russians may live. Lot cheaper too.

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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There's nothing you won't hide behind.

Good try getting me banned.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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There's nothing you won't hide behind.

Good try getting me banned.

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Denying sign in for not getting a flu shot/MEDPROS status has been brigade policy for at least 10 years. I myself have even been denied sign in for not having a current dental exam.

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1) The US and Russia were both ****ing around with the Ukrainian government. Neither of us were innocent of meddling, not by far. sp once again. It's okay when WE do it. Not okay when Russia does it. Hypocrisy much?
2) It's not like we drummed up a revolution out of nothing. The pro west faction was huge and powerful and had long been jockeying for control with the pro Russia side. So it's okay when we go in and tip the scales in our favor and the government that is corrupt lines our politicians' pockets? But bad when the corruption benefits russia.
3) Russia has been throwing its weight around and picking fights. Syria, Georgia, threatening Europe, actively working to frustrate American interests, bombing its own citizens to justify another invasion of Chechnya... and we have been bombing waaaay more people, actively working to frustrate Russia's interests, destabilizing the middle east, funding ISIS, lying to the security council to make war in Iraq, funding Islamic terrorists. The US had zero moral high ground to do what they did. Biden and the US interfered because it was a way to get money. We knew it could cause an armed conflict when it was done. And we ****ing did it anyway. And now we want to prolong the conflict because of "principles". If you haven't noticed our foreign policy has ZERO principles. It's all about making the wealthy and the MIC richer.

You play at the big boy table expect to be treated like a big boy. (Ironically our actions in Ukraine are in line with the realpolitik that Putin follows.)the problem is that Russia is following your advice the only way Rusians know how. To the Russians playing with the big boys is bombing **** and ham fisted diplomacy. your attitude is "we have the biggest dick in the room so we are going to swing it and screw everyone who doesn't like it. Eventually you swing that divk around enough and you get punched in the face.

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Except in this case the US swung its dick so Ukraine got punched in the face.

Once again, our foreign policy is crap.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Remember when the war porn goobers said this was a bargain? I do. What a bunch of chumps.

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Depends how you define bargain. Iraq and Afghanistan cost us 2-3X more. Every year. For over 15 years.

PSA to Zalinski fanboys: nobody approves of Russia invading. NOBODY. You're (once again) trying to win a debate against an empty podium. Join us in higher resolution / nuanced thinking, or head back to your dedicated war-as-entertainment thread.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Ukraine starts persecuting ethnic Russians and starts allying with its adversaries- Russia attacks Ukraine.

YOU- LOOK! RUSSIA WAS GOING TO ATTACK UKRAINE THEY WERE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED IN PERSECUTING THOSE DIRTY RUSSIANS AND TOTALLY NEEDED TO JOIN THAT DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE.

You can't use the effect to justify the actions that caused the effect. That is lunacy.

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Ya, Russia, who regularly slaughters its own citizens, was just on a humanitarian mission to save ethnic Russians. They totally didn't try to grab all of Ukriane and take Kiev in one swoop.

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You still don't get the point. And never actually responded to anything I have said. All you have is Russia bad. We good. Kill Russians. Its a pathetic way to make an argument but effective when you have captive sheep who will believe anything you say.

u are either willfully ignorant or too obtuse to grasp basic concepts. You are a sheep. Good luck to you.

Either way I am done with you.

Tea Party said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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You can donate to the cause. Leave my tax dollars out of it.

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He's too busy collecting government benefits he admits he doesn't need.

No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Tea Party said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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You can donate to the cause. Leave my tax dollars out of it.

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He's too busy collecting government benefits he admits he doesn't need.

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I need you to get back to work and pay some taxes. Those checks aren't going to write themselves.

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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That's a mind numbingly simplistic statement in a very complex real world.

deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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That's a mind numbingly simplistic statement in a very complex real world.

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Yet no less true.

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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That's a mind numbingly simplistic statement in a very complex real world.

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It's really not. It's really pretty simple that megalomaniac like Vladimir Putin wanted to have a landgrab.

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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It may not be. And saying we shouldn't be giving them aid is a valid argument. But they do have a right to exist and fight for that existence.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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Because we don't want China to take Taiwan or anything else that they want just because they can. It signals that America is not just gonna stand idly by while strong countries prey on weak ones A stable world as one that benefits American, and for 1/60 the price of Afghanistan, we can chop off the legs of one of the biggest violators of global stability and perennial foe without losing a single American soldiers life.

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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That's a mind numbingly simplistic statement in a very complex real world.

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It's really not. It's really pretty simple that megalomaniac like Vladimir Putin wanted to have a landgrab.

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Ok, keep living in this simplistic world.

The rest of us will live in the real world, where the US (and the CIA specifically) has a history of interfering in foreign countries, with repercussions that range from good to bad to awful both short term and long term.

This will be no different. The long term repercussions could be bad, and imo, the outcomes get worse the longer the war drags on.

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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Because we don't want China to take Taiwan or anything else that they want just because they can. It signals that America is not just gonna stand idly by while strong countries prey on weak ones A stable world as one that benefits American, and for 1/60 the price of Afghanistan, we can chop off the legs of one of the biggest violators of global stability and perennial foe without losing a single American soldiers life.

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And yet America stood idly by while Russia took Crimea, and again while Russia tried to take Ukraine.
We didn't do ***** Obama sat back like the eunuch he was, and Biden practically green lighted the invasion and suggested Russia would get a slap on the wrist.

It was Zelensky and the tenacity of the Ukrainian soldier that bailed us out. Coupled with the fact the the Russian army has learnt absolutely nothing in 70 years of fighting.

Again, the longer this war drags, the more likely you have bad outcomes.

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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It may not be. And saying we shouldn't be giving them aid is a valid argument. But they do have a right to exist and fight for that existence.

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Has anyone argued otherwise?

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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Because we don't want China to take Taiwan or anything else that they want just because they can. It signals that America is not just gonna stand idly by while strong countries prey on weak ones A stable world as one that benefits American, and for 1/60 the price of Afghanistan, we can chop off the legs of one of the biggest violators of global stability and perennial foe without losing a single American soldiers life.

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The world has never been stable, with or without the USA.

If it's that valuable on a global basis, why don't we fight them directly?

How do you reconcile having middle America fund it?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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It may not be. And saying we shouldn't be giving them aid is a valid argument. But they do have a right to exist and fight for that existence.

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Has anyone argued otherwise?

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Yes, several on this thread. The argument is basically that Ukraine deserves to be invaded for considering joining nato

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Disgusting.

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Regardless of your stance on this,, defeating those murderers invading a sovereign country, raping thousands of kids, kidnapping hundreds and thousands of youths, castrating and torturing Ukrainian men, and raping countless women isn't exactly disgusting.

Young Ukrainian girl visits the grave of her soldier father.

Rest in Peace Mykola Tkachov, Ukraine will never forget your sacrifice.

🇺🇦 pic.twitter.com/j3TJGizq31

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 29, 2023

Graphic video of Russian soldier allegedly castrating Ukrainian POW sparks outrage https://t.co/ryVHRjsbUQ

— Fox News (@FoxNews) July 29, 2022

A woman from Mariupol came to Hungary with 4 kids.

Her own.

Her sister’s kid (mother went to find water and disappeared).

Child of her killed neighbors.

She was running for an evacuation bus and saw a kid, sitting on the street next to his dead parents. She took him too.

— Inna Sovsun (@InnaSovsun) March 24, 2022

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Now do the US, we are just as ****ty.

There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

No, not even close. Get out of here with that crap.

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There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

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No one's expecting him to be a puppet state, but he should be at the table negotiating an agreement of some kind. Their country is going to be destroyed.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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It may not be. And saying we shouldn't be giving them aid is a valid argument. But they do have a right to exist and fight for that existence.

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Has anyone argued otherwise?

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Yes, several on this thread. The argument is basically that Ukraine deserves to be invaded for considering joining nato

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They don't deserve to be invaded, but they definitely underestimated the Russian response. An invasion was of high probability and they called Russias bluff. Big mistake.

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There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

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No, there's not. More straw man arguments.

He's a terrible leader for supporting joining nato to trigger the war then insisting on no negotiations while getting 300K killed needlessly for nothing while parading around in a nylon green sweatshirt as a hero.

But by all means keep trolling. You're up to what, 30 or 40 posts on this thread so far today?

Thank you for your service. -CCP

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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That's a mind numbingly simplistic statement in a very complex real world.

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See Hitler"s start!

I would never want the leader of my country to negotiate a surrender without exhausting all options. And then I'd rather die than be a puppet of another country.

But it appears you would.

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There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

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No, there's not. More straw man arguments.

He's a terrible leader for supporting joining nato to trigger the war then insisting on no negotiations while getting 300K killed needlessly for nothing while parading around in a nylon green sweatshirt as a hero.

But by all means keep trolling. You're up to what, 30 or 40 posts on this thread so far today?

Thank you for your service. -CCP

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Once again: Russian's invasion of Ukraine is the textbook reason that NATO exists and is attractive to countries that want nothing to do with Russia's sphere of influence.

300k people have not died needlessly. Many have been outright murdered by the Russians, and many have died in defense of their homeland. You criticizing the murdered and the defenders is the equivalent of yelling at a woman in the middle of a brutal rape to stop resisting. There is no getting around that. Your obsession over men's fashion choices is also noted, though I don't know why considering he does it to show solidarity with his men and women in the trenches.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Teslag said:

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No the argument is that Russia doesn't get to invade sovereign nations unless they are directly attacked. The end.

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Why is it our job to get involved?

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It may not be. And saying we shouldn't be giving them aid is a valid argument. But they do have a right to exist and fight for that existence.

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Has anyone argued otherwise?

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Yes, several on this thread. The argument is basically that Ukraine deserves to be invaded for considering joining nato

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They don't deserve to be invaded, but they definitely underestimated the Russian response. An invasion was of high probability and they called Russias bluff. Big mistake.

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Did Russia not underestimate the Ukrainian resolve?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

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No one's expecting him to be a puppet state, but he should be at the table negotiating an agreement of some kind. Their country is going to be destroyed.

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He can't until they have the upper-hand on the ground, or at least Ukraine is pushing the Russians back significantly.
The Russians aren't going to cede territory, if you enter negotiations at this point, it certainly means a significant loss of territory

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There's also the faction here that believes Zelensky is a terrible leader because he won't lay down and let his country be a puppet state of Russian

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No, there's not. More straw man arguments.

He's a terrible leader for supporting joining nato to trigger the war then insisting on no negotiations while getting 300K killed needlessly for nothing while parading around in a nylon green sweatshirt as a hero.

But by all means keep trolling. You're up to what, 30 or 40 posts on this thread so far today?

Thank you for your service. -CCP

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Once again: Russian's invasion of Ukraine is the textbook reason that NATO exists and is attractive to countries that want nothing to do with Russia's sphere of influence.

300k people have not died needlessly. Many have been outright murdered by the Russians, and many have died in defense of their homeland. You criticizing the murdered and the defenders is the equivalent of yelling at a woman in the middle of a brutal rape to stop resisting. There is no getting around that. Your obsession over men's fashion choices is also noted, though I don't know why considering he does it to show solidarity with his men and women in the trenches.

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Expect to be accused of trolling. That's his default when he's out of Russian propaganda responses.

Yes, but we aren't discussing Ukrainian resolve.

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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Remember when the war porn goobers said this was a bargain? I do. What a bunch of chumps.

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I am so old I remember when Pelosi was whining we didn't have enough money to fund building a border wall of our own.

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Who and where is this Nancy Pelosi? She's been MIA since losing the gavel. Shame.