Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Are you talking about Russians or EV batteries?

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Ukraine? The country being invaded is not obligated to stop resisting. It's basically saying a woman being raped should just lie there and take it if she doesn't want to keep getting punched in the face.

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More strawmen! If you oppose more aid to poor Ukraine it's analogous to supporting the raping of women/Rapelor/that horrible Magnolia store couple on TV!

Next I expect to read that only a sip would be opposed to a major escalating land war in Europe.

But abandoning the Afghans to the Taliban was the right thing to do, especially surrendering Bagram Air base during the summer fighting season first. Because, reasons. You people are so compassionate!

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1. I never mentioned about our aid in my response. Only that Russia is solely responsible for any death. Which they are.

2. We had no business being Afghanistan after we destroyed Al Queda training facilities. It was their country. They have a right to any government the choose, even oppressive tribalism.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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Russia can end all this death any minute. They could have prevented it as well. It is solely on them.

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Russia has to own their actions sure.

But Russia also has to look out for their national security interests.

They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

You know our response?

We joked about adding Finland and Ukraine to NATO, installed a pro US government in Ukraine which persecuted eastern Ukrainians and who could disrupt Russia's sea capabilities.

Like a bully, we told them to like it cause they wouldn't do **** about it.

The told us to shove it and started bombing *****

Our foreign policy was ass.

We bear responsibility for unilaterally undermining their national security interests and giving them a reason to do it.

It's like if Canada had wanted to join the USSR and Russia sent in the KBG to overthrow their government and installed a Kremlin stooge.

You think we wouldn't have responded? Get real.

The days of America being able to throw our dick around and tell everyone else to pound sand are gone.

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This is Russian propaganda that completely ignores the consequences of Russia's own actions. There are still people alive who remember when Russia intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians to death and invaded Finland unprovoked. And then the idea that Russia gets to declare that 300 million people fall within its sphere of influence and it has the right to dominate their local governments and dictate their foreign policies and invade them at will is total bull*****

Put another way, Finland and Ukraine were open to cooperation with the US/the West because Russia has been such a God awful neighbor for, oh, maybe 500 straight years.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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You can donate to the cause. Leave my tax dollars and my, my children's, and my grandchildren's share of the gargantuan national debt out of it.

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fixed it for everyone.

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Teslag said:

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Russia can end all this death any minute. They could have prevented it as well. It is solely on them.

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Russia has to own their actions sure.

But Russia also has to look out for their national security interests.

They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

You know our response?

We joked about adding Finland and Ukraine to NATO, installed a pro US government in Ukraine which persecuted eastern Ukrainians and who could disrupt Russia's sea capabilities.

Like a bully, we told them to like it cause they wouldn't do **** about it.

The told us to shove it and started bombing *****

Our foreign policy was ass.

We bear responsibility for unilaterally undermining their national security interests and giving them a reason to do it.

It's like if Canada had wanted to join the USSR and Russia sent in the KBG to overthrow their government and installed a Kremlin stooge.

You think we wouldn't have responded? Get real.

The days of America being able to throw our dick around and tell everyone else to pound sand are gone.

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This is Russian propaganda that completely ignores the consequences of Russia's own actions. There are still people alive who remember when Russia intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians to death and invaded Finland unprovoked. And then the idea that Russia gets to declare that 300 million people fall within its sphere of influence and it has the right to dominate their local governments and dictate their foreign policies and invade them at will is total bull*****

Put another way, Finland and Ukraine were open to cooperation with the US/the West because Russia has been such a God awful neighbor for, oh, maybe 500 straight years.

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Ukalraine was open to the US because the CIA installed pro American stooges in the government after we led a couple there.

America has admitted that we did that. Why do completely ignore that fact?

We ****ed with another spveirgn nation's government and underhanded installed corrupt officials who were given favors to enrich our politicians. Then we gave them a **** ton of weapons with which to defend their new corrupt American friendly regime.

Does that not seem sketchy to you in the least?

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

One thing is for sure, once he gets going on a thread/issue he will 100 percent be committed to overwhelming any discussion with shear keyboard firepower.

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Ukraine? The country being invaded is not obligated to stop resisting. It's basically saying a woman being raped should just lie there and take it if she doesn't want to keep getting punched in the face.

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Before Amy of this happened
Ukraine wanted to negotiate, give up some regions where people were actively rebelling against the current regime and get security assurances from Russia.

The US told them to not negotiate and if it came to war we would have their back.

And then when the war started they wanted the same thing. And we pushed them to not negotiate.

The US is 100% dragging this out intentionally.

And encouraged escalation instead of negotiating for the best interests of all parties.

And now we are at a point where enough killing has happened that negotiations are off the table until some wins.

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Link to more info about the bolded?

Inflation

1) The US and Russia were both ****ing around with the Ukrainian government. Neither of us were innocent of meddling, not by far.
2) It's not like we drummed up a revolution out of nothing. The pro west faction was huge and powerful and had long been jockeying for control with the pro Russia side.
3) Russia has been throwing its weight around and picking fights. Syria, Georgia, threatening Europe, actively working to frustrate American interests, bombing its own citizens to justify another invasion of Chechnya...

You play at the big boy table expect to be treated like a big boy. (Ironically our actions in Ukraine are in line with the realpolitik that Putin follows.)

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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This. Who built a wall to keep people in?

Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

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that thread says otherwise

Imagine funding another country to guard it's borders while you are broke and leave your own border wide open. Genius!

Screw our middle class and future generations I guess

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Teslag said:

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Teslag said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Teslag said:

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Sounds like they were right to be wary of their eastern neighbor. Are you suggesting they deserve to be punished for simply asserting rights as a sovereign nation?

EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

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that thread says otherwise

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Lie. Again. It's all in the thread.

Most of it is free from Russian control, which they seem pretty determined about

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Teslag said:

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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This. Who built a wall to keep people in?

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Non sequitur.

It's not about the Cold War. Reagan won it. It's about everything since then. And yes, Nato expansionism, whether it's a 'defensive alliance' or not, helped provoke/drive the Russian invasion. Nitpick about the morality of it/historical elements/legalisms all you want, but even NPR has in the past admitted this is true.

Or rather, let's focus on moving forward. A defensive alliance? At one point, for instance, nato had a requirement that member nations be capable of defending themselves (submit a MAP, be at peace, interoperability, etc) which even US Presidents have said Ukraine doesn't meet,I guess not, now.

Can you (or others) think of a reason Russia might be interested in foreign encroachments into Ukraine/Crimea?

Poland/Europe is rapidly re-arming and preparing for a wider war again.



[url=https://youtu.be/Sm5ujIbEcjg][/url]None of this is good, and we do, right/wrong/indifferent have that clown Biden as president on 'our side.' All of this is terrifying. We're risking literally nuclear war over (ostensibly) poopy pants' desire to kick Russia out of the rubble around Bakhmut. WTAF?

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Are you saying it's somehow their fault that Putin decided to invade and do all of the bolded above? Because it seems like you're saying they deserve this for trying to exist as a country.

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Poland/Europe is rapidly re-arming and preparing for a wider war again.

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I can't imagine why. Poor peaceful Russia just wants to be left alone but mean old Nato keeps starting wars with them by allowing sovereign nations to join any alliance they want.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Are you saying it's somehow their fault that Putin decided to invade and do all of the bolded above? Because it seems like you're saying they deserve this for trying to exist as a country.

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That's exactly what they believe. 100%. It's literally the equivalent of blaming a rape victim for wearing tight clothes.

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Most of it is free from Russian control, which they seem pretty determined about

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Undoubtedly the biggest "twist" in the battleground between the US and Russia - everyone had strategy and plans, and no one accounted for the bravery and tenacity of the Ukrainian soldier - and Zelensky too..he could easily have fled. Still got played though.

Russia is screwed.
The US stands to benefit most with a long drawn out war, which is the opposite of what the Ukrainians want or need. Maybe their Army will surprise us again by throwing out the Russians out of Crimea. Still don't see them being able to do that without considerable air support.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Are you saying it's somehow their fault that Putin decided to invade and do all of the bolded above? Because it seems like you're saying they deserve this for trying to exist as a country.

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No, i'm saying they got played by the US.
We said we had their back, once the Russian invaded (and fizzled) instead of backing Ukraine with everything we have, we are slow playing them with a trickle of weapons.

And while you folks "Stand with Ukraine" from the safety of your keyboard, they are getting butchered because Biden, like Obama is a weakling, refusing to send Ukraine the weapons they need to free themselves.

EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

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that thread says otherwise

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He was ratting them out to get drummed out.

He talked real tough back then about vaccines and turning in soldiers back then just like he does now about dead Russians.

He will change his tune eventually.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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deddog said:

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Teslag said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Teslag said:

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Are you saying it's somehow their fault that Putin decided to invade and do all of the bolded above? Because it seems like you're saying they deserve this for trying to exist as a country.

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That's exactly what they believe. 100%. It's literally the equivalent of blaming a rape victim for wearing tight clothes.

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You have no idea what I believe. That much is clear.

Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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Teslag said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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HarryJ33tamu said:

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Teslag said:

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

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that thread says otherwise

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Lie. Again. It's all in the thread.

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There are lies by commission, lies by omission, and lies by confusion.

You didn't want to take personal heat so your bureaucratic ass used mechanisms to keep pay out of Soldier's bank accounts.

Polish that turd however helps you sleep at night - you bragged about it and seemed surprised others didn't admire your "leadership" style.

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More dead russians. Stack them high and stack them wide.

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Isn't Teslag the same poster as Salute The Vaccine?

Not surprising if so - terrible take after terrible take.

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yes, he is the one who so gleefully witheld paychecks to service members who were not treated with the experimental therapeutic.

does the Russian military have mandates?

edit - found the link

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3350087#63878275

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Lie. They were withheld signing for being red in medical on flu. Which is brigade policy.

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my bad , the flu shot, however, in that same thread, you were in support of withholding pay to service members who did not not take your unsafe, ineffective and not free medication.

You can't lie your way out of it.

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I never advocated any be withheld pay for any medical reason.

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that thread says otherwise

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Lie. Again. It's all in the thread.

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There are lies by commission, lies by omission, and lies by confusion.

You didn't want to take personal heat so your bureaucratic ass used mechanisms to keep pay out of Soldier's bank accounts.

Polish that turd however helps you sleep at night - you bragged about it and seemed surprised others didn't admire your "leadership" style.

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I have never once kept a soldier from getting paid. I have kept them from signing in for the duty day if they don't take care of their personal responsibilities. They aren't going to steal taxpayer money and not perform their obligated service. I don't care if it's for not getting vaccinated as required, attending dental/medical appointments, completing admin tasks, showing up without TA 50 to participate in tasks, etc.

Do your ****ing job and take care of your ***** 99% get it done. I won't lose sleep over the 1% that can't.

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Look I wish we'd GTFO of this situation as well. But you guys are freaking out over another $2.6B?

We spend almost a trillion dollars a year on defense. Having some of that go to an active war zone probably makes sense. The money isn't the issue when it comes to our involvement there

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And we didn't even spend that much. It's just the book value of the stuff when it was purchased. There's not guaranteed we will even replace most of it.

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Its true that almost none of it will be "replaced." Production lines have moved on to newer weapons, so the backfilling of used weapons will probably come at a 10x or greater expense.

Ex: when M107 shells purchased for less that $100 a few decades back need to be replaced it's with new M795 shells for something like $1,000 a pop.

The capability gap left by shipping out $1B in book value weapons may take $30B in procurement to restock.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Ukraine starts persecuting ethnic Russians and starts allying with its adversaries- Russia attacks Ukraine.

YOU- LOOK! RUSSIA WAS GOING TO ATTACK UKRAINE THEY WERE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED IN PERSECUTING THOSE DIRTY RUSSIANS AND TOTALLY NEEDED TO JOIN THAT DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE.

You can't use the effect to justify the actions that caused the effect. That is lunacy.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Hows that working out for them?

Their people are women being raped, children being bombed, men being killed, country looks in about as good a shape as Syria.

But at least we get to Stand With Ukraine, and send them just enough weapons to hold the Russians back.

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Are you saying it's somehow their fault that Putin decided to invade and do all of the bolded above? Because it seems like you're saying they deserve this for trying to exist as a country.

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No, i'm saying they got played by the US.
We said we had their back, once the Russian invaded (and fizzled) instead of backing Ukraine with everything we have, we are slow playing them with a trickle of weapons.

And while you folks "Stand with Ukraine" from the safety of your keyboard, they are getting butchered because Biden, like Obama is a weakling, refusing to send Ukraine the weapons they need to free themselves.

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I'm not sure where you're getting that we promised a lot more than what we've delivered but feel free to share that. Troops were always 100% off the table and we were never going to send them our best weapons, so I'm not sure what else you're expecting us to do that wouldn't cause a wider conflict.

They are getting butchered because Putin invaded and has no regard for civilians. They are also doing some butchering of their own in part because of the help we and others have given them. Of course they want more help, but they also wouldn't have made it this long without the support from us an other allies.

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They made it very clear to the international community that further NATO expansion and overthrowing eastern European governments and taking actions that put Russia in a weaker defensive position would lead to conflict.

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Russia doesn't get to dictate terms on a sovereign nation. Ukraine is free to ally with whoever they want. Even Nato.

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NATO is an alliance designed to be an adversary to Russia.

Russia doesn't get to dictate until they feel such an alliance endangers their national defense interests.

Cuba wanted to put Russian nukes on its land.

By your logic they were within their rights to do so and we were the *******s that blockaded their island and interfered with their soveirgnty.

You don't get to have it both ways.

Oh and BTW.....we interfered with their spveirngty first when the CIA led a couple and cherry picked the administrators responsible for rebuilding the government. Exactly WHEN should we respect another nation's soveirgnty? Is it only AFTER they have a proamerican government? Because that is what ur advocating here by completely absolving us of any responsibility for the **** we pulled there in 2014 that started the poltlitical strife in its current form

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Nato is a defensive alliance. Can you think of a reason Ukraine might be interested in a defensive alliance?

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Ukraine starts persecuting ethnic Russians and starts allying with its adversaries- Russia attacks Ukraine.

YOU- LOOK! RUSSIA WAS GOING TO ATTACK UKRAINE THEY WERE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED IN PERSECUTING THOSE DIRTY RUSSIANS AND TOTALLY NEEDED TO JOIN THAT DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE.

You can't use the effect to justify the actions that caused the effect. That is lunacy.

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Ya, Russia, who regularly slaughters its own citizens, was just on a humanitarian mission to save ethnic Russians. They totally didn't try to grab all of Ukriane and take Kiev in one swoop.