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The federal civil rights lawsuit lodged by the Long family, seen by the Sacramento Bee, is now demanding actual, general and punitive damages. It wants to establish the young girl's 'free expression or viewpoint with respect to livestock in future livestock activities.'
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Judge Monique McKee signed one on July 8, permitting officers to 'utilize breaching equipment to force open doorway(s), entry doors, exit doors, and locked containers in pursuit of their target.'
Cops then raided Bleating Hearts Farm and Sanctuary in Napa - but the goat was not being hidden there.
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Two officers then rushed to the other farm, despite having no search warrant for that location, nor a warrant to seize Cedar from there, according to the lawsuit.
They took the goat - and drove more than 200 miles back before delivering it to an unnamed individual at the fair 'for slaughter/destruction' - despite the fact that the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit alleged.
It's believed that Cedar was then slaughtered and eaten at the community barbecue, but the details are scant.
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Most, if not all, FFA premium auctions, have a floor buyer for all livestock. They bid, according to market prices, what they will give per pound for goats, sheep, steers, etc. Some buyers - most here - keep the animal themselves and have it processed for food. But many buyers don't have that luxury or a means to deal with an animal they've purchased. So they in turn "floor it" which transfers ownership from the premium buyer to the floor buyer.
As an example, if you gave $1200 for her 100 pound goat but had no plans for it and didn't want to spend over 1000 bucks, you'd "floor it".... if the floor price was $2.25 per pound, the floor buyer owes $225 and the premium buyer owes $975.... but the floor buyer owns the goat.
I think that's exactly what happened here and why the premium buyer is out of the loop and the floor buyer is suing for their stolen goat.
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I think it was second in its class and first went on to be the Grand Champion of the show.
Not possible.
TwoGloves said:
Can it play LB?
torrid said:
The mother 100% created this situation.
Rule number one is, never give your livestock names.Old May Banker said:
So there should be no enforceable rules for these livestock shows that donate millions to the benefit of kids?
You think she's the first kid with a broken heart over an animal raised for meat production? What do we do when it's hundreds of pigs kids want to keep?
There are great life lessons here about the circle of life, ag production, etc... the "poor child" attitude is symptomatic of a lot that's wrong in this country.
Yeah, you're right. Kids are too soft.Old May Banker said:
So there should be no enforceable rules for these livestock shows that donate millions to the benefit of kids?
You think she's the first kid with a broken heart over an animal raised for meat production? What do we do when it's hundreds of pigs kids want to keep?
There are great life lessons here about the circle of life, ag production, etc... the "poor child" attitude is symptomatic of a lot that's wrong in this country.
No one buys a kid a puppy with the intent to later slaughter it. Well, at least not in this country. When I was in 4-H forty years ago, it was made perfectly clear we were raising animals for slaughter. Don't go down this path if you can't handle that. No one would take the kid's side back in those days.TxAgswin said:
So, I'm interpreting this as the 9-year old girl saw the goat as a family pet and not livestock. So, she got cold feet when the reality that she was selling her pet to go slaughter and backed out. She's a minor so there's nothing binding in there anyway, but the letter of the law pales in comparison to the spirit of the law in this case.
A whole bunch of adults went to a whole bunch of trouble to go track down and take a puppy away from a little girl to slaughter it over $900 or whatever.
This might come up in therapy or rehab or a parole hearing when this traumatized girl grows up.
What does "even had hair on it" supposed to mean?Four Seasons Landscaping said:
Rules have changed a lot throughout the years. You used to have the option of selling or not.
I'd bet that steer he's talking about even had hair on it.
The term used to be "terminal show", and I always thought it was 20 kinds of wrong and likely a windfall for some feedlot/slaughter house.Four Seasons Landscaping said:That's not an option today. If you place, you sell.Quote:
I did know one girl who had a very high placing steer at the Houston Stock Show one year. I think it was second in its class and first went on to be the Grand Champion of the show. She could have gotten a lot fo the steer, but she kept it to show in the county show a couple of weeks later expecting it to be an easy road to being the Grand Champion here. As it turned out, her steer got Reserve Champion at the county show and so it didn't sell for what it would have if she had sold it in Houston.
For stuff like lambs and hogs, your animal goes on the slaughter truck as you exit the ring at shows like Houston.
We once had a Brahma steer that was unbelievably tame. My niece made it a pet and gave it the name "Cutie Pie". That steer would follow her around like it was a little dog. When it came time to put the cattle in a feed lot, we kept Cutie Pie on the farm.techno-ag said:Rule number one is, never give your livestock names.Old May Banker said:
So there should be no enforceable rules for these livestock shows that donate millions to the benefit of kids?
You think she's the first kid with a broken heart over an animal raised for meat production? What do we do when it's hundreds of pigs kids want to keep?
There are great life lessons here about the circle of life, ag production, etc... the "poor child" attitude is symptomatic of a lot that's wrong in this country.
Thinking that those who don't agree with you must have a mental disorder is actually a symptom of a mental health issue (narcissistic personality disorder).Old May Banker said:
You seem unstable
I didn't know I was under any obligation to answer each of your questions point by point to express my opinion. But if you insist.Quote:
And I notice you didn't answer the questions
Never said that. I did, however note that the contract would be problematic since a minor is a stakeholder and I also mentioned that even though the letter of the law is fuzzy here, the spirit of the law should be taken into account in this specific case. So, I actually answered that question before you asked it.Quote:
So there should be no enforceable rules for these livestock shows that donate millions to the benefit of kids?
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You think she's the first kid with a broken heart over an animal raised for meat production?
I don't think nine-year old girls should be heading up real agricultural business transactions involving hundreds of heads of livestock.Quote:
What do we do when it's hundreds of pigs kids want to keep?
Somebody's making money on it, otherwise why force the kids to give up their animal when they could take it home and eat it? Why can't the kid's parents pay the kid the floor price?Old May Banker said:
It's no windfall at all... if you really believe so, you can probably bid on them at a show and make all that money!
Oh. This was in about 1970 or so when I was in high school.Old May Banker said:
Market steer shows - except FW - are predominately slick sheer shows now. Changed around '94 IIRC.
We bought the floor on hogs once at the county stock show. The price was good, but as you say, definitely not a windfall.Old May Banker said:
It's no windfall at all... if you really believe so, you can probably bid on them at a show and make all that money!
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It was a little kid and a little pet goat.
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You are suggesting that this little girl needs to "toughen up" and anybody that disagrees with you on that is not only wrong, they must be mentally impaired?
I see your point, and to that point, I can't make that goat a pet anymore than you can make it an agricultural commodity. If the little girl saw it as a pet, it's a pet. And if the parents are okay with that and want to crawfish on a little $900 sale, so be it. Let the child have her pet goat. The buyer can go buy another goat from somewhere else I'm sure there are plenty of goats to go around.Old May Banker said:Quote:
It was a little kid and a little pet goat.
It wasn't a pet, no matter how much you want that to be true. It was a meat producing project, aimed at teaching a child a ton of valuable lessons.
Have you ever attended a county livestock show sale or sat on the BOD for one of them?
