TX grandma and 7 year old granddaughter killed by an illegal immigrant smuggler

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2012heisman
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2:27a, 3/17/23
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-grandma-granddaughter-killed-crash-involving-human-smuggler

With deaths caused by an open border and Soros DAs/judges, white liberals are easily responsible for 500 deaths a day through their policies. Thousands of new angel families in this country every year because of Democrats/Liberals/Marxists.

The Governor of Texas/LG/AG have no power over immigration. It is expressly delegated to the President and to a lesser extent Congress.

The only unilateral monarch like power that the President has in our constitutional republic is on immigration policy.

The people of Greenwich, CT vote for this because they know they will never have to deal with it.

The white liberals in New England called in the military to deport only 50 when Desantis took them up on their offer.

The burden will always fall on the people of Texas.

It was nice to at least see the cross tabs in the exit polls on 2018 Beto/2022 Abbott voters say that their main reasons for leaving Beto was the border and crime.

Also Latino voters in Texas are trending Republican because of what the Dems have done to our border.






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Dirty-8-thirty Ag
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5:24a, 3/17/23
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The woman & little girl who passed away was a good friend of mines family members. Just an awful situation.
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6:08a, 3/17/23
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Biden is too functionally and cognitively gone to know.

The Dems and the radical left just don't care. This is just the broken eggs required to make an omelet.
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6:47a, 3/17/23
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But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
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In reply to Dirty-8-thirty Ag • 8:03a, 3/17/23
Dirty-8-thirty Ag said:
The woman & little girl who passed away was a good friend of mines family members. Just an awful situation.
prayers
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8:19a, 3/17/23
All so someone can have cheap food and drywall installed.



So very sad. They look so happy here.


I know they frown in it here, but if there is a GFM or something to help I am sure many here will give.


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Also Latino voters in Texas are trending Republican because of what the Dems have done to our border.
Myra Flores was defeated, and Tony Gonzles is in the dog house.
Tony G has a juera primary challenger now.
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8:23a, 3/17/23
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All 3 branches of government have failed the US citizen taxpayer!
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8:24a, 3/17/23
Invite their family to Republican convention, let them be on national commercials.
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In reply to Owlagdad • 8:28a, 3/17/23
Tell AMLO in a press conference that the US is indeed dangerous BECAUSE OF HIS PEOPLE.
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8:30a, 3/17/23
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What exactly (and I mean this sincerely, because I haven't researched it) could the feds do if Texas just said FU and started getting rid of people themselves? Withhold funding? Aren't they already basically doing that by completely overburdening our resources with illegals? Would Biden try to send in the military?

I guess the real problem is that NO politicians want to do anything about it. Trump, even though he's an egotistical asshat, was the only one in my lifetime to actually mention doing something about illegal immigrants. The Bushes were the worst- didn't do jack *****
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In reply to D_Wag97 • 8:53a, 3/17/23

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What exactly (and I mean this sincerely, because I haven't researched it) could the feds do if Texas just said FU and started getting rid of people themselves?
Read up on 1994 California Proposition 187, Alabama HB 56 and Arizona SB 1070.
Slick Rick Perry said that the Alabama and Arizona laws were "Not good for Texas" and ensured illegal aliens could pay in state tuition. As you can see, federal courts stepped in. When Texas had a TSA grope bill in the state lege, this happened: Federal Threat Shuts Down TSA "Groping" Bill
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Withhold funding?
They can try. Or as noted above: shut down commerce.
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Aren't they already basically doing that by completely overburdening our resources with illegals?
Illegals expenses < Federal funds coming in for other stuff
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Would Biden try to send in the military?
He might. There is no leadership on the anti-illegal alien side.
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I guess the real problem is that NO politicians want to do anything about it. Trump, even though he's an egotistical asshat, was the only one in my lifetime to actually mention doing something about illegal immigrants. The Bushes were the worst- didn't do jack *****
You are sadly, correct on this matter. There is no leadership to crackdown.
RePORKlicans want cheap labor.
DemocRATs want cheap voters.
Us middle class peasants are like a donkey in a Texas hailstorm: we can't run, can't hide, can't make it stop.
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9:25a, 3/17/23
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Ambulances from three different counties and several evac helicopters were used to get all of the wounded illegals to hospitals. Counties along I-10 have about 3 high speed chases with bailouts every week. This nonsense is draining county and hospital budgets.
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In reply to TxTarpon • 9:32a, 3/17/23
TxTarpon said:
All so someone can have cheap food and drywall installed.



So very sad. They look so happy here.





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Also Latino voters in Texas are trending Republican because of what the Dems have done to our border.
Myra Flores was defeated, and Tony Gonzles is in the dog house.
Tony G has a juera primary challenger now.

I meant the valley was always deep blue but is now trending more towards Republicans than before.

Seeing more and more people like this:

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In reply to 2012heisman • 9:35a, 3/17/23
True on the trending.
The economic action down there has really increased over the past decade.
Hopefully it will continue.
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10:22a, 3/17/23
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Acceptable casualties to keep Democrats in power

Right Libs and ConMods?
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In reply to Dirty-8-thirty Ag • 11:50a, 3/17/23
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Dirty-8-thirty Ag said:
The woman & little girl who passed away was a good friend of mines family members. Just an awful situation.
Are you from Ozona?
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11:55a, 3/17/23
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@ SW AG80, I guess I didn't reply directly back to you.

No, I am from Del Rio, but I know a lot of the ranching community from the area through rodeo and 4-H back in my younger days.

A good friend and fellow Ag from Del Rio moved to Ozona when we were younger, he married a Tambunga girl after college.
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12:15p, 3/17/23
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The deaths of a Texas grandma and her 7-year-old granddaughter are a result of open border policies that enable illegal immigrant smuggling.
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In reply to TxTarpon • 12:43p, 3/17/23
TxTarpon said:
All so someone can have cheap food and drywall installed.
What a meteorically asinine comment. I assume you have little to no experience in the area of drywall contractors, construction in general and the food service industry.

Since you are unfamiliar, let me help you with actual experience and numbers. We are required on certain projects to meet Davis Bacon requirements. You get a nice little spreadsheet showing the wage you must pay for each type of trade / subcontractor.

Over the past 15 years and 1000s of projects, I have never once ran across a situation in Texas where we need to up our payments to subs to meet D-B requirements. Not once. From the trash pickup / cleaning crews through the HVAC installed. Not Once.

Quit muddying the waters on immigration with such a tired and majorily untrue quip on cheap labo.

Its inaccurate, false and misleading. I'll let you slide on this one with a warning vs penalty flag.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:51p, 3/17/23

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What a meteorically asinine comment. I assume you have little to no experience in the area of drywall contractors, construction in general and the food service industry.

Facts
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Since you are unfamiliar, let me help you with actual experience and numbers.
I just did above. You're welcome.
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We are required on certain projects to meet Davis Bacon requirements.
For government jobs with Federal funding. Residential construction have no such requirements.
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Over the past 15 years and 1000s of projects, I have never once ran across a situation in Texas where we need to up our payments to subs to meet D-B requirements. Not once. From the trash pickup / cleaning crews through the HVAC installed. Not Once.
Because when you ink those government contracts you are barred for hiring illegal aliens.
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Quit muddying the waters on immigration with such a tired and majorily untrue quip on cheap labo.
Quit thinking that doing government work is the same as all work.
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Its inaccurate, false and misleading. I'll let you slide on this one with a warning vs penalty flag.
LOL Wave your flag. LOL

Your message that "There are no illegal aliens working construction." is Bagdad Bob worthy bro.

Construction Company Under Fire for Hiring Illegal Aliens Linked to Sheriff's Deputy Michael Hartwick's Death

Pew: 72% of illegals have jobs, biggest in construction

Feds Allege Georgia Construction Owner is Illegal Alien Who Employed Illegal Aliens and Paid Them Below-Market Wages

WATCH: Whistleblower Says Illegal Aliens Have 'Taken Over Every Trade' in CA Construction, Driven Down U.S. Wages

Police: Wal-Mart site raided About 125 arrested on immigration violations at Pennsylvania construction location
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In reply to TxTarpon • 1:55p, 3/17/23

LOL, if the project involves more than 8 residential units it subject to Davis-Bacon.

We do non-government work too, pay to our trades is the same.

My facts are real world experience from starting and running a $35MM/yr company doing residential construction work in Texas, both for sale and under federally funded programs.

I also started and run a several $MM a year residential concrete business. Same thing.

Regarding being barred from hiring illegals, thats not just government related. It applies to all companies. Maybe you think we must be more compliant due to audit and oversight. In 15 years, the immigrant status of our jobsite workers has never been questioned and reviewed.

There is a large difference between perception / colorful charts and reality. I appreciate your contribution in making that abundantly clear to readers of these posts.

Also, saying 75% of illegals work in construction is NOT the same thing as 75% of construction workers are illegal - which is the picture you try and paint.

Believe in your fantasies all you want, but you are simply not based in reality.

And I could go on an on about California and "whistleblowers".
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In reply to 2012heisman • 2:01p, 3/17/23
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Also Latino voters in Texas are trending Republican because of what the Dems have done to our border.

You a missing a subtlety that is causing Texas Latinos at the border to turn against the Dem's loose border security. It goes more like this:

"Also Mexican-American voters in Texas are trending Republican because of what the Dems have done by flooding the border with Central and South American gang members."

Not all Hispanics are the same, and they don't all necessarily like each other.

Edit: I can't spell worth caca.
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In reply to fka ftc • 2:24p, 3/17/23

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LOL, if the project involves more than 8 residential units it subject to Davis-Bacon.
Limits and exclusions apply. Most homeowners hiring illegals to do drywall at the primary residence are exempt. A business owner having work done at their facility is also exempt.
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We do non-government work too, pay to our trades is the same.
Great.
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My facts are real world experience from starting and running a $35MM/yr company doing residential construction work in Texas, both for sale and under federally funded programs.
In bold is the general rule for Davis Bacon, limits and exclusions apply as noted above.
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Regarding being barred from hiring illegals, thats not just government related. It applies to all companies.
In theory. Just because you run yours on the straight and narrow does not mean 100% of all companies do the same.
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Also, saying 75% of illegals work in construction is NOT the same thing as 75% of construction workers are illegal - which is the picture you try and paint.
I post the articles. You can only speak of your individual company.
Speaking of concrete: Texas company to pay $3 million after investigation reveals hiring illegal aliens
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Believe in your fantasies all you want, but you are simply not based in reality.
12-20 million illegals in this country. They are not all getting a govt check. They are obviously not working for you, but they are working somewhere.
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In Texas, 1.1 million unauthorized immigrant workers made up 8.5 percent of the state's total labor force, concentrated in industries like agriculture, hospitality and especially construction, where an estimated 25 percent of workers were unauthorized. Link


You should be mad. You are following the law and doing the right thing.
Others are not.
I don't think you are doing one off little residential construction jobs either.
Sounds like you are doing substantial commercial projects.
Glad you are hiring Americans and building great things.
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6:28p, 3/17/23
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We've been reporting on this from San Angelo.

The DPS was slow to send out information because DPS was chasing the guy until they lost him. Crockett County Sheriff Deputies picked the chase backup. The crash happened in the main intersection in Ozona -- I-10 service road east bound and TX-163.



San Angelo LIVE!
https://sanangelolive.com/
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In reply to sanangelo • 8:05p, 3/18/23
sanangelo said:
We've been reporting on this from San Angelo.

The DPS was slow to send out information because DPS was chasing the guy until they lost him. Crockett County Sheriff Deputies picked the chase backup. The crash happened in the main intersection in Ozona -- I-10 service road east bound and TX-163.



So sad. What happened to these two innocent law abiding victims could have happened to any of us. How many times have y'all been on I-10 in your lives?
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In reply to JohnLA762 • 8:27p, 3/18/23
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JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 8:45p, 3/18/23
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JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
Driving reckless with no regard for the lives and safety of others on the road is murder. Like waving a loaded pistol at your friends.

Feel good goaltending for a coyote?
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9:12p, 3/18/23
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My understanding is the IA blew through that traffic light. If so then it could be murder because he committed an act clearly dangerous to human life.
I know that DA. I bet that is how she indicts it.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 9:26p, 3/18/23
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JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
The border is open because people like you voted for the party of open borders. Illegal entries have skyrocketed since the guy you voted for opened the border. This coyote should not have been here and these two innocent people should be alive. Stop deflecting. This is the cost you agreed to in order to not see mean tweets.
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In reply to zoneag • 9:33p, 3/18/23
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zoneag said:
Jeeper79 said:
JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
The border is open because people like you voted for the party of open borders. Illegal entries have skyrocketed since the guy you voted for opened the border. This coyote should not have been here and these two innocent people should be alive. Stop deflecting. This is the cost you agreed to in order to not see mean tweets.
Red herring or moving the goalposts. I can't decide.
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In reply to fka ftc • 9:34p, 3/18/23
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fka ftc said:
Jeeper79 said:
JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
Driving reckless with no regard for the lives and safety of others on the road is murder. Like waving a loaded pistol at your friends.

Feel good goaltending for a coyote?
Murder requires intent. And I said in my post that I'm not excusing what happened. But whatever.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 9:35p, 3/18/23
Jeeper79 said:
zoneag said:
Jeeper79 said:
JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
The border is open because people like you voted for the party of open borders. Illegal entries have skyrocketed since the guy you voted for opened the border. This coyote should not have been here and these two innocent people should be alive. Stop deflecting. This is the cost you agreed to in order to not see mean tweets.
Red herring or moving the goalposts. I can't decide.
Well congrats on the illegals that you voted for being able to freely come here killing these 2 via car accident and not homicide.
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 10:27p, 3/18/23
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Jeeper79 said:
fka ftc said:
Jeeper79 said:
JohnLA762 said:
But, I thought all they wanted was to seek asylum from poverty…
Did you read the article? I'm not excusing what happened, but it was a car accident, not a murder.
Driving reckless with no regard for the lives and safety of others on the road is murder. Like waving a loaded pistol at your friends.

Feel good goaltending for a coyote?
Murder requires intent. And I said in my post that I'm not excusing what happened. But whatever.
Which would include "knowingly" committing an act clearly dangerous to human life. Such as running through a traffic signal at 90 mph. I said above, I bet that DA indicts it as murder based on committing an act clearly dangerous to human life. She might not, but I know she is inundated with human smuggling cases. How else do you even try to put a stop to it other than putting the smuggler in prison for life.

To put it into a more common context, when a person drives by and shoots into a house and, instead of killing the gang banger he was after, he hits and kills a 3 year old child, he did not intend to kill that child. But he did commit an act clearly dangerous to human life. Just like this IA did in this case.
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