Female Execs Are Exhausted, Frustrated and Heading for the Exits

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The Banned said:

TarponChaser said:

Texasclipper said:

EclipseAg said:

Executive women typically have a spouse who sets his own career aside to manage the household, raise the kids, etc. You can't be a CEO/CFO/etc. if you're always leaving the office to drive Ayden and Kyden to soccer practice.

It's a lonely life, with a lot of emotional lows. Some women are ambitious enough to handle it. Most are not.

At the same time, not all men are capable of giving up their personal lives so completely, either.



I know a Gen X woman who is a EVP of a Fortune 200 company. Her husband does not work and supposedly stayed at home with the kids but also played a LOT of golf. She also still did a LOT at home. Her style was to leave the office at 4:30 - 5 and then log on remotely after the kids were in bed and work another 2-3 hours when her children were younger. She did a bare minimum of after hours work events.

The guys in the office all joked about how her husband "had it made". She was quite successful and her children who are in college or about to graduate HS seem to have turned out successfully, but I don't know how she did it. She is quite intelligent and not a DEI hire at all and must manage up well.

Those situations do occur but they're more the exception.

We have some close friends in a similar situation. The husband played basketball at A&M and has always been a teacher/coach. He was a 4A head basketball coach but quit when they had their 3rd kid and the wife was promoted to general counsel for a large O&G services company. She's always been the primary breadwinner. They're our closest friends- the wife and my wife were roommates at A&M, sorority/pledge sisters, etc., and we're respectively the families who will raise each other's kids if. God forbid, something happens to us parents.

He was a full-time stay-at-home-dad for a few years and did most of the stuff at home but they were able to pay for help too (ie- maid). They have 3 kids who are all heavily involved in sports. Their oldest is a junior in HS who is a stud volleyball player and she's getting recruited by a number of D1 colleges. Anyway, he went back into the classroom teaching HS a couple years ago but he handles most of the stuff at home although the kids are old enough to handle a lot of chores.

Ironically, the wife is very traditional in terms of values so I don't see them ever getting divorced but she'll admit feeling very inadequate sometimes because her career prevents her from being the kind of mom her SAHM/teacher mom was able to be. The dad has become one of my closest friends over the years and he's a de facto manager of their kids' athletics. Just a solid dude.


These are the situations in which I wish truth serum existed. Are they happy? Are the faking? If they are are unhappy is it societal pressure or their own biological feelings? If they are happy, is it out of a desire to show non traditional roles work or does their situation genuinely just lead to happiness?

I only know one couple in this role and they are not happy at all. I try to work through it with the husband but it is made more difficult by the undetermined factor of nature vs nurture


We did it for two years. I was plenty happy being stay at home husband. Frankly, I thought I would go insane quickly and I never did. Many days I miss it.

Only reason I went back to work is because my wife was so unhappy with her gig that I stepped in and went back to work so she could get out of her situation. She might be done for good, in which case, I'll keep working as is my duty.
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But then you also get women like our vice president who did more than kiss the other side of men with their pants down to gain promotions. No telling what she did to women.
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The Banned said:

TarponChaser said:

Texasclipper said:

EclipseAg said:

Executive women typically have a spouse who sets his own career aside to manage the household, raise the kids, etc. You can't be a CEO/CFO/etc. if you're always leaving the office to drive Ayden and Kyden to soccer practice.

It's a lonely life, with a lot of emotional lows. Some women are ambitious enough to handle it. Most are not.

At the same time, not all men are capable of giving up their personal lives so completely, either.



I know a Gen X woman who is a EVP of a Fortune 200 company. Her husband does not work and supposedly stayed at home with the kids but also played a LOT of golf. She also still did a LOT at home. Her style was to leave the office at 4:30 - 5 and then log on remotely after the kids were in bed and work another 2-3 hours when her children were younger. She did a bare minimum of after hours work events.

The guys in the office all joked about how her husband "had it made". She was quite successful and her children who are in college or about to graduate HS seem to have turned out successfully, but I don't know how she did it. She is quite intelligent and not a DEI hire at all and must manage up well.

Those situations do occur but they're more the exception.

We have some close friends in a similar situation. The husband played basketball at A&M and has always been a teacher/coach. He was a 4A head basketball coach but quit when they had their 3rd kid and the wife was promoted to general counsel for a large O&G services company. She's always been the primary breadwinner. They're our closest friends- the wife and my wife were roommates at A&M, sorority/pledge sisters, etc., and we're respectively the families who will raise each other's kids if. God forbid, something happens to us parents.

He was a full-time stay-at-home-dad for a few years and did most of the stuff at home but they were able to pay for help too (ie- maid). They have 3 kids who are all heavily involved in sports. Their oldest is a junior in HS who is a stud volleyball player and she's getting recruited by a number of D1 colleges. Anyway, he went back into the classroom teaching HS a couple years ago but he handles most of the stuff at home although the kids are old enough to handle a lot of chores.

Ironically, the wife is very traditional in terms of values so I don't see them ever getting divorced but she'll admit feeling very inadequate sometimes because her career prevents her from being the kind of mom her SAHM/teacher mom was able to be. The dad has become one of my closest friends over the years and he's a de facto manager of their kids' athletics. Just a solid dude.


These are the situations in which I wish truth serum existed. Are they happy? Are the faking? If they are are unhappy is it societal pressure or their own biological feelings? If they are happy, is it out of a desire to show non traditional roles work or does their situation genuinely just lead to happiness?

I only know one couple in this role and they are not happy at all. I try to work through it with the husband but it is made more difficult by the undetermined factor of nature vs nurture

Happy how? I think all of us would love to work less while still making more money to have time to pursue that which brings us joy in our respective lives but that's not all that realistic.

I know they're happy with each other and their family. I know the mom often feels like she could be a better mom but without her career they wouldn't have the life they have because while the dad is a smart dude his undergraduate priorities were not really academic. He wanted to teach & coach and is an all around laid-back dude.

I know the dad is perfectly happy- his father died in an accident before he was born and his mother passed shortly after they got married so he's very family oriented. And the wife's parents got divorced when she was in HS which affected her deeply so she's committed to making things work no matter what.

She's actually pretty rational about it and says that men have been expected to sacrifice family for career like she's doing. We all make sacrifices, you just have to be honest with yourself as to what those sacrifices are and how much you're willing to sacrifice in one area of your life for other areas.
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texagbeliever said:

The statement "diversity is a strength" is true. Unless you use diversity as the Left's definition. Which is skin color, sexual orientation and sex. However personalities and skill sets mesh better when there is some variability. I think it is important to not throw the baby out with the bathwater but instead squabble over the little details.

Also I dont surrender definitions to what the left remakes then as.
Smart, capable people is a strength. Just need quality people. Not sure what you definition is of diversity. There is only the liberal definition that exists in woke businesses.
 
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