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I get there are jobs like that out there but this video is nonsense. The Reddit mob gets all up in arms acting like non hourly jobs are a cake walk. They create this alternate reality of how unfair the world is (because they all work these hourly jobs and then go post on r/antiwork).

All I know is I spend most of my days stressed out of my mind and never feel like I can get to everything I need to do.

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People who get stressed out about work are funny to me. It's a job, who gives a ***** God, family, and my personal time are far more important.

Without these things I would just live in a shack and work a menial job. The only reason I continue to work my job is because I have things outside of work that I care about. My job itself is completely immaterial to me.

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I'd guess the average office worker does 20 hrs a week of work. Less in some industries. Look at Twitter after reducing their staff by 90%

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20 hours is probably being generous. I would guess 8 hours is probably more correct.

Nanomachines son said:

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ClickClack said:

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I get there are jobs like that out there but this video is nonsense. The Reddit mob gets all up in arms acting like non hourly jobs are a cake walk. They create this alternate reality of how unfair the world is (because they all work these hourly jobs and then go post on r/antiwork).

All I know is I spend most of my days stressed out of my mind and never feel like I can get to everything I need to do.

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People who get stressed out about work are funny to me. It's a job, who gives a ***** God, family, and my personal time are far more important.

Without these things I would just live in a shack and work a menial job. The only reason I continue to work my job is because I have things outside of work that I care about. My job itself is completely immaterial to me.

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You're equating stress to thinking I live to work, which I don't. My job is a means to an end, and always will be to me. I'm not that guy. I just have a lot of **** to do.

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There are entire bureaucracies dedicated to manufacturing busy work and distractions to make themselves seem necessary...

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This describes every single politician.

Every. Single. Politician.

Nanomachines son said:

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The Debt said:

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10% do 90% of the work.

Learn that principle.

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Always has been this way. It's why I hate most of the people in corporate.

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What's scary is realizing that 1% do 50% of the work.

Don't even get me started..

Yeah, there's front line employees out at the operating locations who actually do the work that makes money for the company, and sales reps that need to sell the widgets or the services so those front line people have work to do. ..and there's engineers in the office solving problems or designing things for the next project or product.

But if tax laws weren't so insane, there wouldn't be a need for a large tax department in the office. If the legal and regulatory environments weren't so insane, there wouldn't be a need for large legal and risk (insurance) departments. You can probably extend that to HR, internal audit and other departments in the office. You probably still need someone in payroll to pay people, someone in procurement to buy parts, supples, source materials, equipment, etc., someone in accounts payable to pay those vendors, someone in accounts receivable to collect payments from customers, someone in finance or treasury to handle debt and equity transactions, someone in IT to manage systems and keep them running, someone in customer service to handle customer calls & complaints. The problem is, as companies get bigger and as everything gets more and more regulated, these corporate functions / services that support the real money-makers out there on the front line who actually produce the revenue get bigger and bigger and more and more bloated to the point that the CEO has no idea how little so many of the office employees actually do.

I said this exact thing on the GM thread yesterday. Corporate is adult daycare. I was a senior leader for 20 years at a Fortune 250. I can attest to it.

I also said that I think people are seeing what Elon did at Twitter unloading 3/4 of his staff and realizing it's running just fine without several thousand people no longer there. I guarantee that has executives looking around and wondering how much useless dead weight they are carrying.

Many of the jobs where I work are designed to **** things up to create busy work for those who know how to get things done.

You could likely eliminate 30% of our workforce and the other 70% would be better off for it have more time to focus on what the company actually does.

Maybe she should try being a politician

Lol, I love how the OP says engineers are the only ones who work. That's the funniest ****ing thing I've heard all week. The majority of the P.E.'s in my company are the most arrogant, entitled, laziest ****ers we employ. They think because they're a P.E. that entitles them to milk jobs "designing" (i.e. sitting around talking or daydreaming). I'm "just a PM" but I work 100x harder and longer than all the engineers I know.

That said, yes, we can't compete with smaller firms because our overhead is ridiculous, which is due to so many leaches employed in admin or HR positions or the upteen V.P.s that we apparently need. They're all just vultures who kick back billing the jobs I bust my ass to go get and then manage just to help keep this company ticking.

So those who can't teach go corporate?

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In order to get promoted at my company, you have to build empires. Convince leadership of a need and then create a business justification to hire employees under you.

A few years later you have a team of employees and nobody checks to see if that justification still exists, so you just create work for those employees.

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Absolute truth. I have so many ridiculous examples of this.

My favorite one is that in an age of self-service via technology our company actually removed a self-service function from employees, created an entirely new department of people to do the function for you, and then made you complete a pdf form that you then had to email to this department to then wait 2-3 days for a response when previously it was immediate because it was self-service.

All to justify one leaders job who wanted an empire.

What I find funny is management who thinks going to meetings all day is work.

"Look how busy and important I am! I'm triple booked all day"

Meetings are the antithesis of real work.

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Meetings are the antithesis of real work.

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Preach!

"it's like no....semi.. whatever"

yeah, a real Clarence Darrow we have here.

Been a fun thread to read.

Many of the points I've seen posted underscore what I have found to be the biggest problem ultimately which is bad management, bad leadership, bad decisions all around.

Put another way, bad alignment or allocation of resources.

Truthfully, most companies should operate in a pure franchise model where smaller, more mobile, more agile business units are built and managed (and held individually accountable), but instead there is the "central command" effect or the cookie cutter approach. Some of that is good in terms of having a centralized place for acquiring and consolidating resources and operating tools, but when it comes to actual execution, you really should delegate to your smaller business units and let your smart people operate.

And, too many times the structure is way off and misaligned (top heavy) where you have way too many VP's and SVPs and not enough actual operators or front line folks to get the job done; too many cooks in the kitchen.

I've often likened this phenomenon to if a football team had 3 QB's, 5 WRs (no running backs) and only 3 offensive lineman out there running plays. It just functionally wouldn't work.

Computers, the internet and email made it to where no one really needs to work that hard at in an office setting. People are able to generate millions of dollars of revenue by attaching an engineering report to an email and sending it to the guy they play golf with every Friday who works for their customer.

I always joke that the oilfield is just one merry go round of field trips for adults masquerading as charitable events. Clay shoot this, golf scramble this, hospitality hour here, crawfish boil there; it's ridiculous.

The push to "work from home" just finally acknowledged this; "they're only going to work 25% of the time anyway, might as well save them the commute".

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Nanomachines son said:

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ClickClack said:

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I get there are jobs like that out there but this video is nonsense. The Reddit mob gets all up in arms acting like non hourly jobs are a cake walk. They create this alternate reality of how unfair the world is (because they all work these hourly jobs and then go post on r/antiwork).

All I know is I spend most of my days stressed out of my mind and never feel like I can get to everything I need to do.

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People who get stressed out about work are funny to me. It's a job, who gives a ***** God, family, and my personal time are far more important.

Without these things I would just live in a shack and work a menial job. The only reason I continue to work my job is because I have things outside of work that I care about. My job itself is completely immaterial to me.

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You're equating stress to thinking I live to work, which I don't. My job is a means to an end, and always will be to me. I'm not that guy. I just have a lot of **** to do.

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How much of your stack of things to do is on your plate because someone else didn't do what they are supposed to do?

lol, mushminds; tictok did this.

Nanomachines son said:

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ClickClack said:

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I get there are jobs like that out there but this video is nonsense. The Reddit mob gets all up in arms acting like non hourly jobs are a cake walk. They create this alternate reality of how unfair the world is (because they all work these hourly jobs and then go post on r/antiwork).

All I know is I spend most of my days stressed out of my mind and never feel like I can get to everything I need to do.

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People who get stressed out about work are funny to me. It's a job, who gives a ***** God, family, and my personal time are far more important.

Without these things I would just live in a shack and work a menial job. The only reason I continue to work my job is because I have things outside of work that I care about. My job itself is completely immaterial to me.

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That's because well all have this fantasy of retiring some day and living a Golden Age of Leisure. No responsibilities, and all the time and resources you need to enjoy your hobbies, travel, etc.

I was in a discussion once with several people who had retired or were close to retirement. Almost every single one of them had to put that golden retirement on hold do deal with a family health crisis. Either their parents, their spouse, or they themselves had an age-related health issue that needed to be dealt with instead.

I think the message here is enjoy your life while you still did. The things you enjoy as a young or middle-aged adult you may not be able to continue doing.

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This working class woman who moved into an office job now realizes that outside of engineers and business development, most people do basically nothing in an office.

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They need better leadership and metrics.

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I work corporate as an engineer and frankly most of my job is trying to figure out ways to be more efficient so I have more time to **** around. Why?

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Because you are an engineer?
Are you in O&G?

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Humans were not designed to sit in front of a computer all of the time.

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You are right about that.

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This woman has just realized what many of us have known for a while, you could eliminate 80% of most office jobs and the rest of the company, aka the people who do the actual work, would never even notice.

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Maybe this is why we have seen so many tech layoffs?

Am I the only person reading everyone agreeing on this and wondering where these people work? Can someone point me toward where to apply for the no-responsibility paycheck?

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I said this exact thing on the GM thread yesterday. Corporate is adult daycare. I was a senior leader for 20 years at a Fortune 250. I can attest to it.

I also said that I think people are seeing what Elon did at Twitter unloading 3/4 of his staff and realizing it's running just fine without several thousand people no longer there. I guarantee that has executives looking around and wondering how much useless dead weight they are carrying.

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Your post is where this thread came from. It reminded me of that video that went viral on Twitter.

Lots of complaints, which is expected, but what is the solution?

People need to be able to acquire careers at any level and grow themselves and their business while being rewarded a decent to exceptional reward for their efforts.

My great grandmother raised 7 kids as a single mom working at a Cafe. Her money was still on a gold standard, however.

Nowadays the leaches and bloodsucking vampires have sucked out all the blood from this country's money, and we are getting paid in bits of dust that fly away from a brisk wind.

Fix the fkn money. FIX THE ****ING MONEY *******IT.

After FIXING THE ****ING MONEY, we can retrain people to find value in low time preference, like steadily building up a variety of skills unique and valuable to maximize your individual contributions to career and society.

This lady will either end up having a passionate office romance that ends up being an HR nightmare or she will be promoted to manager and make people's life miserable. Given that she is a former alcoholic waitress, I say she has office romances with 2-3 people at work and is the HR nightmare.

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Am I the only person reading everyone agreeing on this and wondering where these people work? Can someone point me toward where to apply for the no-responsibility paycheck?

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Nope, same here.

At my job, you work, and if you don't, you'll hear about it. Whether or in the office like me, or out in the field, you better do your job.

Sure we will have a day on occasion which is just dead and we don't have much to do, and when that happens we're allowed to take it easy, but other than that, we have to get our work done.

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Lol, I love how the OP says engineers are the only ones who work. That's the funniest ****ing thing I've heard all week. The majority of the P.E.'s in my company are the most arrogant, entitled, laziest ****ers we employ. They think because they're a P.E. that entitles them to milk jobs "designing" (i.e. sitting around talking or daydreaming). I'm "just a PM" but I work 100x harder and longer than all the engineers I know.

That said, yes, we can't compete with smaller firms because our overhead is ridiculous, which is due to so many leaches employed in admin or HR positions or the upteen V.P.s that we apparently need. They're all just vultures who kick back billing the jobs I bust my ass to go get and then manage just to help keep this company ticking.

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I have seen many engineers who don't work too. My point was that it was essential to company function, while most of the rest isn't.

Ultimately though this 80/20 rule applies to every group in every company.

For most companies sales and technicians are the only ones that make the company money, everyone else is just support.

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When you get your first fake email job but think people there actually work. pic.twitter.com/3Sbp1F5gyf

— Adrian Georges (@BasedMaterialsm) March 8, 2023

This working class woman who moved into an office job now realizes that outside of engineers and business development, most people do basically nothing in an office.

I work corporate as an engineer and frankly most of my job is trying to figure out ways to be more efficient so I have more time to **** around. Why? Because as this lady realized, office jobs bring you virtually zero satisfaction. Nothing like what building or making something with your hands. Humans were not designed to sit in front of a computer all of the time.

I am paid well because of my technical expertise not because my job is harder or more difficult than a working class job.

This woman has just realized what many of us have known for a while, you could eliminate 80% of most office jobs and the rest of the company, aka the people who do the actual work, would never even notice.

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I'm not sure about 80%, but I'm sure there are a great deal of redundancies. I think it will only ever be an academic exercise to think a large number of positions could be eliminated, for a couple of reasons. First, much of the inefficiencies that exist are ultimately the responsibility of management to mitigate. If jobs descriptions and evaluations aren't routinely evaluated, then these inefficiencies just continue. And second, the reason many of these jobs exist in the first place is to give people like engineers or other technical experts time to focus on their craft. In any engineering firm, take away all support positions for a month and require the engineers to pick up any needed slack and I guarantee you'll get push back. Reports, required and ad hoc, managing inventory and ordering materials, all the little things.
A great example is an engineer who starts his own consulting company and it takes off. He can outsource alot (which means the need for the support still exists) but at some point in growth it makes more sense to hire their own support.
Answering phones and greeting clients would be a pretty mind numbing job requiring very basic skills...but I don't think the main breadwinners want to do it.

A better approach if someone thinks people do nothing is to offer a solution of how to make it more efficient. This is a symptom of an organization that needs to re-evaluate. Its not universal epidemic that doesn't change.

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Nanomachines son said:

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ClickClack said:

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I get there are jobs like that out there but this video is nonsense. The Reddit mob gets all up in arms acting like non hourly jobs are a cake walk. They create this alternate reality of how unfair the world is (because they all work these hourly jobs and then go post on r/antiwork).

All I know is I spend most of my days stressed out of my mind and never feel like I can get to everything I need to do.

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People who get stressed out about work are funny to me. It's a job, who gives a ***** God, family, and my personal time are far more important.

Without these things I would just live in a shack and work a menial job. The only reason I continue to work my job is because I have things outside of work that I care about. My job itself is completely immaterial to me.

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That's because well all have this fantasy of retiring some day and living a Golden Age of Leisure. No responsibilities, and all the time and resources you need to enjoy your hobbies, travel, etc.

I was in a discussion once with several people who had retired or were close to retirement. Almost every single one of them had to put that golden retirement on hold do deal with a family health crisis. Either their parents, their spouse, or they themselves had an age-related health issue that needed to be dealt with instead.

I think the message here is enjoy your life while you still did. The things you enjoy as a young or middle-aged adult you may not be able to continue doing.

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Retirement was a bribe middle managers created to prevent productive people from leaving. You only needed one generation to buy into it and then sell the lie downstream to their offspring offspring.

It's biting back quickly and hard as the "greatest generation" is dead and the boomers discover their coffers have disappeared after cost of living and inflation have grown 100-400%.

Only way to stick to the promised dream is to vote people into politics that promise those green pastures and enslave everyone to get them there.

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What I find funny is management who thinks going to meetings all day is work.

"Look how busy and important I am! I'm triple booked all day"

Meetings are the antithesis of real work.

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I hate meaningless meetings with a ****ing passion. It's one thing if the meeting is about a project to discuss things to move it along. It's quite another for department meetings or manager meetings or anything else.

Meetings mean nothing and take you away from actual work.

I would tell this woman that one reason companies "gatekeep" is to try and avoid employees who melt down on TikTok making profanity-filed videos that criticize their entire workforce.

Look at all these hard workers.......posting on Texags.

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This lady will either end up having a passionate office romance that ends up being an HR nightmare or she will be promoted to manager and make people's life miserable. Given that she is a former alcoholic waitress, I say she has office romances with 2-3 people at work and is the HR nightmare.

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I think we all have somebody like this in our office. One at my office married a guy who also works here. After buying her some, ahem, enhancements, she dumped him and took up with another guy. From work.