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Wrec86 Ag
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My kind tends to be a boogeyman on this forum, so AMA and I'll do my best to answer.

Some basics :
My voting history is probably
60% Republican
30% Democrat
10% Libertarian
Obama is the only Democrat I've voted for as President but I have voted for plenty of democrats down ballot.

I am financially conservative and socially liberal. I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older (late 30s now) - not sure if it's just a small sample size, or if my generation is bucking the trend of most people moving right as they age.

I still would say I lean right overall, but I'm probably left of 95% of this board.


Trump
I would never vote for Trump. One of my core beliefs about the Presidency is that they need to try and unite the country…. even if it's a token thought. Trump intentionally drove a wedge between the right and the left and danced on the graves of the democrats when things went his way. Trump may not have started the vitriol between the right and the left, but he did his damn best to drive that wedge as deep as possible because he thought it helped him politically.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, I will vote for whichever Democrat runs against him. If DeSantis or any of the more reasonable Republicans get the nod, I likely vote red.


Abortion :
Should be legal any time the mothers health is at risk, or in cases of rape and incest. I also think elective abortion should be legal for a certain period of time. I'm not smart enough to define the exact moment, but for a certain period of time, it should be legal for a woman to choose, for whatever reason she chooses, to have an abortion.


Gun Rights :
I own many firearms, including "semi-automatic assault rifles". (I worked in the industry for a while, so I'm using that term sarcastically). I am pro second amendment, however I do think that it should be harder to obtain firearms in some cases. I don't care about the slippery slope argument.


Gay Rights :
I 100% support gay rights in regards to marriage/adoption and want them to have every right and opportunity a straight married couple would have.


Transgender Rights :
I personally believe that a large percentage of transgender people are gay men or lesbian women. Some of the rest suffer from some sort of mental issue. I do believe there are two sexes, with a very small exception for intersex persons who are biologically in the gray area. When it comes to gender, if people want to use it to express "socially constructed roles/features" and say that there are more than two, I don't really care. You still are either biologically male or female though.

I still respect Transgender persons as human beings and want the best for them…. but a biological male shouldn't compete in women's sports for example.


Vaccines :
I think hindsight is 20/20 and knowing what we know now, we absolutely could have done things better. I got the vaccine and have no regrets. I also don't have a problem with companies mandating that you get it. They are private companies and can make whatever decisions they want and you can choose not to work or be a customer for them. However I DO have a problem with the government mandating companies to do anything. That's out of their lane.


Student Debt Forgiveness
Against. Students signed for those loans and should have known what they were getting into. I and many others paid our loans and/or tuition like adults. (Or some of our parents did it for us - not hating on those either). That being said, the government created this mess by insuring the loans driving the price way up. That is the big problem that needs to be fixed.


Fire away.
captkirk
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I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one
Deputy Travis Junior
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"I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older."

Can you explain this? How can you watch the government screw up so many things and the progressives spin so many economic and societal fairy tales and think "what we need is more government involvement with everything!"?
Wrec86 Ag
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captkirk said:


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I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one



Disagree. I think the government should stay out of my business regardless of whether it is my finances or my personal life.
Tanya 93
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And away we go...
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Jeeper79
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This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
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captkirk
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Wrec86 Ag said:

captkirk said:


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I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one



Disagree. I think the government should stay out of my business regardless of whether it is my finances or my personal life.
Democrats will tax you to pay for their social programs. They will tell you what kind of light bulb, toilet and shower head you can own. They will be all over your "business" and your personal life
MelvinUdall
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Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


So this is weird for me, you want a bridge builder, who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden, then do you see him as a bridge builder? Who do you see as a bridge builder in 2024? Does the Constitution matter to you?
Jeeper79
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C@LAg said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
did you vote for Biden?
Well I didn't vote for Biden so much as I voted against Trump, but basically yes. I don't think Biden is great, but I do still think Trump would have been worse. Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. I live in Texas and it was always going to go to Trump, anyway. But I'm not shy to say I'm a never trumper.
TXAGFAN
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captkirk said:


Quote:

I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one

Disagree. For example, if he is as he puts above is more pro choice re: abortion with some limits (the prevailing opinion by the way for most republicans and dems) and for gay rights like marriage equality (again polling shows even majority of Republican voters support this) those would be more liberal social positions that in my opinion have no bearing on his assertion he is fiscally conservative. Neither of those are related to govt entitlements for example.

I know many on here don't want to give an inch on either of those topics, but if GOP overall found a way to temper their evangelical platforms on those two issues they'd win Presidential election in landslide and see significant increase in their control at state (exec and leg) and federal levels in senate/house. Massive losers for GOP and appeal to a base that's not going to switch their vote anyways to dems (plus they're aging > dying).
samurai_science
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Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
"Bridge builder", in other words, give Democrats whatever they want, because no Democrat will ever compromoise.


Clear case of you viewing the world how you want it do be instead of how it really is.
BigRobSA
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Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


Desantis looks for fights?

Honky,please.

1) Some **** gets started.
2) He puts on his **** kickers and kicks some *****
3) CMs and to the left catch the vapors.
captkirk
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TXAGFAN said:

captkirk said:


Quote:

I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one

Disagree. For example, if he is as he puts above is more pro choice re: abortion with some limits (the prevailing opinion by the way for most republicans and dems) and for gay rights like marriage equality (again polling shows even majority of Republican voters support this) those would be more liberal social positions that in my opinion have no bearing on his assertion he is fiscally conservative. Neither of those are related to govt entitlements for example.

I know many on here don't want to give an inch on either of those topics, but if GOP overall found a way to temper their evangelical platforms on those two issues they'd win Presidential election in landslide and see significant increase in their control at state (exec and leg) and federal levels in senate/house. Massive losers for GOP and appeal to a base that's not going to switch their vote anyways to dems (plus they're aging > dying).
Nobody would care about gay marriage if you'd just leave our kids alone. Abortion is a state by state issue as it should be.
BigRobSA
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Jeeper79 said:

C@LAg said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
did you vote for Biden?
Well I didn't vote for Biden so much as I voted against Trump, but basically yes. I don't think Biden is great, but I do still think Trump would have been worse. Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. I live in Texas and it was always going to go to Trump, anyway. But I'm not shy to say I'm a never trumper.


</Facepalm>

And I'm not even a Trump supporter.
Wrec86 Ag
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

"I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older."

Can you explain this? How can you watch the government screw up so many things and the progressives spin so many economic and societal fairy tales and think "what we need is more government involvement with everything!"?


I was raised by a mother who was very Republican. (My dad didn't really care about politics, or at least didn't share his thoughts).

When I was in college, I considered myself a Republican and voted for Republicans. As I kind of grew up and learned more about my actual own beliefs, I realized that I agreed with the Democrats more than the Republicans on social issues. I believe in some government spending and taxes which conflicts with my financial conservatism. For example - I believe that Social Security is a needed program.

I don't know if it is directly correlated, but I also found myself moving further left during Trump's presidency.
TXAGFAN
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Deputy Travis Junior said:

"I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older."

Can you explain this? How can you watch the government screw up so many things and the progressives spin so many economic and societal fairy tales and think "what we need is more government involvement with everything!"?
Not every Democratic Party platform is about big government, many Republican platforms have big negatives if you live in real world and have some perspective, empathy, etc. For example, most people my age I know (40s, college educated, upper middle class to upper class) know people who have had abortions and are understanding re: their situation be it an unplanned pregnancy or some sort of very challenging diagnosis in utero. They realize the Republican platform in states like Texas is extreme and does little to prevent people in their demographic from receiving an abortion - it only harms lower socioeconomic people. Plus, at least in my friend group we know at least one or two LOUD pro life voices who had an abortion themselves. The GOP platform on this doesn't even align with most Republican voters on this topic of abortion, gay marriage, etc. Add some misogyny (trump's way he talked to female voters, viewpoints like I see here often that women's right to vote was a mistake, etc) this trend is no surprise at all.
TexasAggiesWin
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Jeeper79 said:

C@LAg said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
did you vote for Biden?
Well I didn't vote for Biden so much as I voted against Trump, but basically yes. I don't think Biden is great, but I do still think Trump would have been worse. Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. I live in Texas and it was always going to go to Trump, anyway. But I'm not shy to say I'm a never trumper.

A vote against Trump would be a third party candidate vote. If you voted for Biden, you can't say you did that only to not vote for Trump, cmon now
Wrec86 Ag
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MelvinUdall said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


So this is weird for me, you want a bridge builder, who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden, then do you see him as a bridge builder? Who do you see as a bridge builder in 2024? Does the Constitution matter to you?


Biden was more of a bridge builder than Trump. He at least pretended to try, and he's a lame duck Presidency and we all know it. It's 4 years of a cool-down period.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I'm glad he won.
Wrec86 Ag
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TXAGFAN said:

captkirk said:


Quote:

I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one

Disagree. For example, if he is as he puts above is more pro choice re: abortion with some limits (the prevailing opinion by the way for most republicans and dems) and for gay rights like marriage equality (again polling shows even majority of Republican voters support this) those would be more liberal social positions that in my opinion have no bearing on his assertion he is fiscally conservative. Neither of those are related to govt entitlements for example.

I know many on here don't want to give an inch on either of those topics, but if GOP overall found a way to temper their evangelical platforms on those two issues they'd win Presidential election in landslide and see significant increase in their control at state (exec and leg) and federal levels in senate/house. Massive losers for GOP and appeal to a base that's not going to switch their vote anyways to dems (plus they're aging > dying).


Agreed. If Republicans were pro-gay marriage and gave a little bit on abortion, they'd be a monster party and cause the Democrats to completely re-group.
WHOOP!'91
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Wrec86 Ag said:

My kind tends to be a boogeyman on this forum, so AMA and I'll do my best to answer.

Some basics :
My voting history is probably
60% Republican
30% Democrat
10% Libertarian
Obama is the only Democrat I've voted for as President but I have voted for plenty of democrats down ballot.

I am financially conservative and socially liberal. I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older (late 30s now) - not sure if it's just a small sample size, or if my generation is bucking the trend of most people moving right as they age.

I still would say I lean right overall, but I'm probably left of 95% of this board.


Trump
I would never vote for Trump. One of my core beliefs about the Presidency is that they need to try and unite the country…. even if it's a token thought. Trump intentionally drove a wedge between the right and the left and danced on the graves of the democrats when things went his way. Trump may not have started the vitriol between the right and the left, but he did his damn best to drive that wedge as deep as possible because he thought it helped him politically.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, I will vote for whichever Democrat runs against him. If DeSantis or any of the more reasonable Republicans get the nod, I likely vote red.


Abortion :
Should be legal any time the mothers health is at risk, or in cases of rape and incest. I also think elective abortion should be legal for a certain period of time. I'm not smart enough to define the exact moment, but for a certain period of time, it should be legal for a woman to choose, for whatever reason she chooses, to have an abortion.


Gun Rights :
I own many firearms, including "semi-automatic assault rifles". (I worked in the industry for a while, so I'm using that term sarcastically). I am pro second amendment, however I do think that it should be harder to obtain firearms in some cases. I don't care about the slippery slope argument.


Gay Rights :
I 100% support gay rights in regards to marriage/adoption and want them to have every right and opportunity a straight married couple would have.


Transgender Rights :
I personally believe that a large percentage of transgender people are gay men or lesbian women. Some of the rest suffer from some sort of mental issue. I do believe there are two sexes, with a very small exception for intersex persons who are biologically in the gray area. When it comes to gender, if people want to use it to express "socially constructed roles/features" and say that there are more than two, I don't really care. You still are either biologically male or female though.

I still respect Transgender persons as human beings and want the best for them…. but a biological male shouldn't compete in women's sports for example.


Vaccines :
I think hindsight is 20/20 and knowing what we know now, we absolutely could have done things better. I got the vaccine and have no regrets. I also don't have a problem with companies mandating that you get it. They are private companies and can make whatever decisions they want and you can choose not to work or be a customer for them. However I DO have a problem with the government mandating companies to do anything. That's out of their lane.


Student Debt Forgiveness
Against. Students signed for those loans and should have known what they were getting into. I and many others paid our loans and/or tuition like adults. (Or some of our parents did it for us - not hating on those either). That being said, the government created this mess by insuring the loans driving the price way up. That is the big problem that needs to be fixed.


Fire away.
None of your stated positions align with the Dem platform but do align with Trump policy.
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Wrec86 Ag said:

MelvinUdall said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


So this is weird for me, you want a bridge builder, who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden, then do you see him as a bridge builder? Who do you see as a bridge builder in 2024? Does the Constitution matter to you?


Biden was more of a bridge builder than Trump. He at least pretended to try, and he's a lame duck Presidency and we all know it. It's 4 years of a cool-down period.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I'm glad he won.


Good luck to you.

[Insert barf gif here]
TXAGFAN
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captkirk said:

TXAGFAN said:

captkirk said:


Quote:

I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one

Disagree. For example, if he is as he puts above is more pro choice re: abortion with some limits (the prevailing opinion by the way for most republicans and dems) and for gay rights like marriage equality (again polling shows even majority of Republican voters support this) those would be more liberal social positions that in my opinion have no bearing on his assertion he is fiscally conservative. Neither of those are related to govt entitlements for example.

I know many on here don't want to give an inch on either of those topics, but if GOP overall found a way to temper their evangelical platforms on those two issues they'd win Presidential election in landslide and see significant increase in their control at state (exec and leg) and federal levels in senate/house. Massive losers for GOP and appeal to a base that's not going to switch their vote anyways to dems (plus they're aging > dying).
Nobody would care about gay marriage if you'd just leave our kids alone. Abortion is a state by state issue as it should be.
No gays I know are interested in your kids, congrats though you're eating up the propaganda the GOP social conservatives are feeding you via politicians like DeSantis, Libs of tiktok videos, etc. Are there bad actors influencing kids in ways I find inappropriate too? Yes. Is there a movement of some kind and meaningful amount of these bad actors? No. The worst offenders against children are people closest to you. Quit looking for bogeymen on internet and seeing groomers every time you see a gay person. Instead look at the adults your kids interact with regularly and have less supervised access to kids - clergy, coaches, extended family, etc.
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Trump created a wedge between Americans and the media and establishment. People that think he tried to drive a wedge between left and right just confirm the media and establishment is the left. Maybe a wedge betweeen Americans and commie Americans (which is of course, media and general establishment). Certainly he drove a wedge between America and non-Americans.

Contrast with dems that blatantly wedge: race, gender, rich v poor, whites vs everyone else, Christians "Christian right" etc.
Wrec86 Ag
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I wish we didn't have a two-party system where both parties suck….. but here we are.
TXAGFAN
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WHOOP!'91 said:

Wrec86 Ag said:

My kind tends to be a boogeyman on this forum, so AMA and I'll do my best to answer.

Some basics :
My voting history is probably
60% Republican
30% Democrat
10% Libertarian
Obama is the only Democrat I've voted for as President but I have voted for plenty of democrats down ballot.

I am financially conservative and socially liberal. I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older (late 30s now) - not sure if it's just a small sample size, or if my generation is bucking the trend of most people moving right as they age.

I still would say I lean right overall, but I'm probably left of 95% of this board.


Trump
I would never vote for Trump. One of my core beliefs about the Presidency is that they need to try and unite the country…. even if it's a token thought. Trump intentionally drove a wedge between the right and the left and danced on the graves of the democrats when things went his way. Trump may not have started the vitriol between the right and the left, but he did his damn best to drive that wedge as deep as possible because he thought it helped him politically.

If Trump is the Republican nominee, I will vote for whichever Democrat runs against him. If DeSantis or any of the more reasonable Republicans get the nod, I likely vote red.


Abortion :
Should be legal any time the mothers health is at risk, or in cases of rape and incest. I also think elective abortion should be legal for a certain period of time. I'm not smart enough to define the exact moment, but for a certain period of time, it should be legal for a woman to choose, for whatever reason she chooses, to have an abortion.


Gun Rights :
I own many firearms, including "semi-automatic assault rifles". (I worked in the industry for a while, so I'm using that term sarcastically). I am pro second amendment, however I do think that it should be harder to obtain firearms in some cases. I don't care about the slippery slope argument.


Gay Rights :
I 100% support gay rights in regards to marriage/adoption and want them to have every right and opportunity a straight married couple would have.


Transgender Rights :
I personally believe that a large percentage of transgender people are gay men or lesbian women. Some of the rest suffer from some sort of mental issue. I do believe there are two sexes, with a very small exception for intersex persons who are biologically in the gray area. When it comes to gender, if people want to use it to express "socially constructed roles/features" and say that there are more than two, I don't really care. You still are either biologically male or female though.

I still respect Transgender persons as human beings and want the best for them…. but a biological male shouldn't compete in women's sports for example.


Vaccines :
I think hindsight is 20/20 and knowing what we know now, we absolutely could have done things better. I got the vaccine and have no regrets. I also don't have a problem with companies mandating that you get it. They are private companies and can make whatever decisions they want and you can choose not to work or be a customer for them. However I DO have a problem with the government mandating companies to do anything. That's out of their lane.


Student Debt Forgiveness
Against. Students signed for those loans and should have known what they were getting into. I and many others paid our loans and/or tuition like adults. (Or some of our parents did it for us - not hating on those either). That being said, the government created this mess by insuring the loans driving the price way up. That is the big problem that needs to be fixed.


Fire away.
None of your stated positions align with the Dem platform but do align with Trump policy.
This level of gaslighting is why I keep coming back to this forum.
Sueshade10
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I think you are right in the middle of where most Americans stand. Im on the same ground as you, plus or minus some leanings. My question is with your logic regarding being socially liberal, yet believe one of the core values of a President is to unite, not divide. The promotion of division started to occur in Obamas presidency and has gotten worse with every election - Biden being just as bad as Trump. Politicians divide the country to show good vs. evil to get votes nowadays. "You cant agree with them, they are evil". All that comes out of Bidens mouth is divisive talk or excuses why something is not his fault. The liberal and left social ideals are based on the idea of victimhood. To be a victim there must be an aggressor which inherently divides the country. So seriously interested (really no sarcasm involved), how do you resolve that logic in your head? Socially liberal (requires victim vs. Aggressor) but require someone who unites as a a President? I personally think someone who can overcome this and show that we should not be highlighting our differences and identifying victims will be the next president who will truly get 81 million votes.
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fredfredunderscorefred said:

Trump created a wedge between Americans and the media and establishment. People that think he tried to drive a wedge between left and right just confirm the media and establishment is the left. Maybe a wedge betweeen Americans and commie Americans (which is of course, media and general establishment). Certainly he drove a wedge between America and non-Americans.

Contrast with dems that blatantly wedge: race, gender, rich v poor, whites vs everyone else, Christians "Christian right" etc.



True Bridge builders...

MelvinUdall
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Wrec86 Ag said:

MelvinUdall said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


So this is weird for me, you want a bridge builder, who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden, then do you see him as a bridge builder? Who do you see as a bridge builder in 2024? Does the Constitution matter to you?


Biden was more of a bridge builder than Trump. He at least pretended to try, and he's a lame duck Presidency and we all know it. It's 4 years of a cool-down period.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I'm glad he won.


Serious question and not trying to get into a debate, but did you not vote for Trump because of the feel of a bridge builder and not based on his policies and your best interests? I ask because that is fascinating to me if that was the case…I am all for this country coming together in someway, but at the end of the day, I am still looking at what is best for my family.
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Jeeper79 said:

C@LAg said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.
did you vote for Biden?
Well I didn't vote for Biden so much as I voted against Trump, but basically yes. I don't think Biden is great, but I do still think Trump would have been worse. Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. I live in Texas and it was always going to go to Trump, anyway. But I'm not shy to say I'm a never trumper.
I'll never understand voting for pure government control, open borders/screw national security, increasing socialism, we'll take your guns if we can, universal mail in voting, etc., all because mean orange man doesn't "build bridges."
Deputy Travis Junior
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TXAGFAN said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

"I have actually found that myself and most of my friends are moving farther left as we get older."

Can you explain this? How can you watch the government screw up so many things and the progressives spin so many economic and societal fairy tales and think "what we need is more government involvement with everything!"?
Not every Democratic Party platform is about big government


Bruh.
The democrats were 1-2 votes away from passing a $6T spending package that included the biggest expansion of the welfare state since LBJ.
Biden is attempting to unilaterally forgive nearly a half trillion of student debt.
They pushed a vaccine mandate all the way through Omicron even though the data clearly demonstrated the vaccine was nearly useless against it. Said mandate ignored prior infection.
The eviction moratorium, Lina Kahn, and other similar actions represent massive government intrusions into private markets and life.

Claiming they aren't big government is absolutely false. Sounds like you're mad at Republicans over gay rights but harbor some economically conservative views so you're trying to convince yourself the Ds are something that they're not.
Clown_World
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I find it hilarious that Republicans who adopt old Democrat party positions on social issues get labeled as "extreme".

Some of us remember "safe, legal, and rare" and candidate Barack Obama stating that marriage was between one man and one woman.

Shows you how far the left has moved.
Ol_Ag_02
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captkirk said:


Quote:

I am financially conservative and socially liberal
You can't be both. Pick one



This is dumb. Reduce government, eliminate entry barriers, slash taxes and social programs. Leave me and mine the hell alone and I'll do the same for you.

Hell not wanting special tax goodies for having ten kids practically makes me Che Guevara to half this board.
Clown_World
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MelvinUdall said:

Wrec86 Ag said:

MelvinUdall said:

Jeeper79 said:

This about a 95% overlap for my stances. I'm still not a fan of how DeSantis goes looking for fights, though. I'd rather vote for a bridge builder, given the choice.


So this is weird for me, you want a bridge builder, who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden, then do you see him as a bridge builder? Who do you see as a bridge builder in 2024? Does the Constitution matter to you?


Biden was more of a bridge builder than Trump. He at least pretended to try, and he's a lame duck Presidency and we all know it. It's 4 years of a cool-down period.

I didn't vote for Biden, but I'm glad he won.


Serious question and not trying to get into a debate, but did you not vote for Trump because of the feel of a bridge builder and not based on his policies and your best interests? I ask because that is fascinating to me if that was the case…I am all for this country coming together in someway, but at the end of the day, I am still looking at what is best for my family.



Women and weak men vote based on feelings and emotions.

Sorry, not sorry.
 
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