zoneag said:

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If you live in a place run by criminal enabling democrats you sadly do need to carry everywhere. I'm sure the concerned moderates will be along shortly to show their displeasure about you continuing to bring attention to the democrat crime wave in places like Houston and Austin.

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there is A REASON why Florida has gained more population than any other state the last two years.

it's not just because it's hot.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

When two gang-bangers have a shootout and one dies, it counts as a murder. But the average citizen isn't personally impacted.

On the other hand, when people see or hear about brazen, random criminality -- in their neighbor's driveway, for example -- it strikes fear. Yes, the odds are small it will happen to you, but the truth is, it is happening to SOME people, and that's enough.

It's clear that across the country, criminals today are much more aggressive and much less fearful of being caught or jailed. Doesn't matter whether the stats say crime is up 10 percent or down 10 percent.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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TxAgswin said:

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You just posted data that supports my point.

The title of that chart is literally "Murder Rates Fell in Most Big Cities in 2022".

The right column shows a nationwide rise in homicide rates for a two year period beginning in 2019 and then the anomaly levels out and the rates drop back to previous levels in most cases over the last year which aligns perfectly with what I posted.

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TThrow out 2021 and compare 2019 to 2022. Look at Colorado Springs for instance. Portland has obviously been ruined by leftists, but I was surprised by a few other on there.

If a city experiences a shocking crime increase from 2019 to 2022, but a very slight decrease from 2021 to 2022, is that really something to brag about???

Just look at Mesa, AZ and Austin, TX…that is not good. That graphic completely shatters any point you were trying to make. No one cares about a 3% decrease in homicides from 2021 to 2022, when homicides are up 100-200+% over a multi-year span in that city. Only a brainwashed lib would toot their horn like that.

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hat media headline is tricking you. As intended.

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I'm being tricked? Firstly, you're the one that posted the ****ing chart, and despite taking a very aggressive Conservative stance, you pulled the data from a Bloomberg site, which is kind of funny. And that's the second point. The headline over your chart is a factually correct summary of the raw law enforcement data, and not an editorial opinion. .

That being said, I will concede that the chart YOU posted, despite having no editorial statements and just data could be very misleading and "trick" people if they fail to contextualize what is being represented there.

Applying the single data point of homicide rate across a data set that includes every city over 100k (meaning your largest sample contains 8,000x more subjects than your smallest one) and if you illustrate percentage changes as opposed to incident totals, you are absolutely going to have some eye-popping visuals on that bar chart.

To use your examples of "not good" in Mesa and Austin, those increases represent roughly 11 incidents and 30 respectively. While any increase in loss of life is tragic, these are not numbers that indicate that these cities are suddenly war zones.

Lastly, the data you posted clearly shows that this trend is slowing, and certainly not increasing at some horrifying, national emergency rate. Across the board, crime rates are still way down from what they were 20 and 30 years ago.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not pro-crime are into defunding the police in any way. But I'm also not a big fan of unnecessarily scaring the hell out of everyone and creating further divide and distrust.

Check the facts.

You're the one that posted them.

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Dude, murders are up BIG since 2019, you can type all of the liberal goaltending gibberish you want. I believe Austin experienced an all time high in 2022...or was it 2021. Regardless...murder and violent crime up big and nothing you can do to change that. It's not a scare tactic, it's the 100% truth.

No one is saying the cities are literal warzones. But I went to downtown LA for a conference (that they should not have hosted there) and yes, it was basically a dystopian hellscape. I thought it was bad in 2019, but 2022 was downright scary. I don't know how that area comes back...it's pretty much all one big skid row now.

I know it's tough for you to wrap your brain around this...you want to cheer on very miniscule drops in murder in some cities from 2021 to 2022...but that is absurd when these are tiny drops from major increases pretty much across the board. Now, some places like Baltimore and Detroit were already 3rd world POS violent cities, and they stayed relatively stable from 2019 to 2022...but those are the rare exceptions.

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Stats don't tell the whole story.

When two gang-bangers have a shootout and one dies, it counts as a murder. But the average citizen isn't personally impacted.

On the other hand, when people see or hear about brazen, random criminality -- in their neighbor's driveway, for example -- it strikes fear. Yes, the odds are small it will happen to you, but the truth is, it is happening to SOME people, and that's enough.

It's clear that across the country, criminals today are much more aggressive and much less fearful of being caught or jailed. Doesn't matter whether the stats say crime is up 10 percent or down 10 percent.

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Ultimately, my main problem, is that so many of these people committing murder and violent crimes have NO BUSINESS BEING OUT ON THE STREETS TO BEGIN WITH. There is a thread on the Houston Board devoted to murders and violent crimes, since we are way up over the past few years. It almost seems like the majority of time, these hardened felons were let out on super low bond or released from jail prematurely...they have no business being on the streets, and they keep preying on innocent people.

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I'm curious, do you carry?

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No. I just did a bit of digging...He/she/ze/whatever is a devout lib. Thinks Trump was a bigger embarrassment than Biden lol. Zero percent chance they/them carry.

Deep V cut


Houston is just becoming too crazy.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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TxAgswin said:

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You just posted data that supports my point.

The title of that chart is literally "Murder Rates Fell in Most Big Cities in 2022".

The right column shows a nationwide rise in homicide rates for a two year period beginning in 2019 and then the anomaly levels out and the rates drop back to previous levels in most cases over the last year which aligns perfectly with what I posted.

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TThrow out 2021 and compare 2019 to 2022. Look at Colorado Springs for instance. Portland has obviously been ruined by leftists, but I was surprised by a few other on there.

If a city experiences a shocking crime increase from 2019 to 2022, but a very slight decrease from 2021 to 2022, is that really something to brag about???

Just look at Mesa, AZ and Austin, TX…that is not good. That graphic completely shatters any point you were trying to make. No one cares about a 3% decrease in homicides from 2021 to 2022, when homicides are up 100-200+% over a multi-year span in that city. Only a brainwashed lib would toot their horn like that.

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hat media headline is tricking you. As intended.

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I'm being tricked? Firstly, you're the one that posted the ****ing chart, and despite taking a very aggressive Conservative stance, you pulled the data from a Bloomberg site, which is kind of funny. And that's the second point. The headline over your chart is a factually correct summary of the raw law enforcement data, and not an editorial opinion. .

That being said, I will concede that the chart YOU posted, despite having no editorial statements and just data could be very misleading and "trick" people if they fail to contextualize what is being represented there.

Applying the single data point of homicide rate across a data set that includes every city over 100k (meaning your largest sample contains 8,000x more subjects than your smallest one) and if you illustrate percentage changes as opposed to incident totals, you are absolutely going to have some eye-popping visuals on that bar chart.

To use your examples of "not good" in Mesa and Austin, those increases represent roughly 11 incidents and 30 respectively. While any increase in loss of life is tragic, these are not numbers that indicate that these cities are suddenly war zones.

Lastly, the data you posted clearly shows that this trend is slowing, and certainly not increasing at some horrifying, national emergency rate. Across the board, crime rates are still way down from what they were 20 and 30 years ago.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not pro-crime are into defunding the police in any way. But I'm also not a big fan of unnecessarily scaring the hell out of everyone and creating further divide and distrust.

Check the facts.

You're the one that posted them

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Dude, murders are up BIG since 2019, you can type all of the liberal goaltending gibberish you want. I believe Austin experienced an all time high in 2022...or was it 2021. Regardless...murder and violent crime up big and nothing you can do to change that. It's not a scare tactic, it's the 100% truth.

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You are correct. Crime was up "big" from 2019-2021 with alarming spikes in 2020. The rate has flattened and dropped in most cases in the last two years. Can't remember what changed in 2021, but something must have happened.

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No one is saying the cities are literal warzones.

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That's you saying that "no one is saying that cities are literal warzones". Then in the NEXT SENTENCE you literally start describing LA as a war zone.

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it was basically a dystopian hellscape. I thought it was bad in 2019, but 2022 was downright scary. I don't know how that area comes back...it's pretty much all one big skid row now.

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I know it's tough for you to wrap your brain around this.

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Is that necessary? I've got some unpopular views on things on this board and I make a concerted effort to be respectful about my differences when I debate my views. This is an Aggie board. Act like an Aggie.

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..you want to cheer on very miniscule drops in murder in some cities from 2021 to 2022...but that is absurd when these are tiny drops from major increases pretty much across the board. Now, some places like Baltimore and Detroit were already 3rd world POS violent cities, and they stayed relatively stable from 2019 to 2022...but those are the rare exceptions.

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I'm not celebrating anything. I'm merely pointing out that the crime rate is not increasing at alarming rates like it was in 2020 and in most places it's starting to crawl back towards the historical lows experienced in 2014 and is nowhere close to it's historical highs from 30 years ago.

I'm just pointing out the facts.