BluHorseShu said:

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CoachO_08 said:

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When it comes to student admission and faculty positions, I have a simple challenge:

Make an argument AGAINST meritocracy.

I'll wait…

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I agree. Which is why it didn't make sense for all the posters who just wanted to admit Kyle Rittenhouse re regardless of his academic competitiveness. I guess we'd have to define/agree on what we're defining as 'merit'. Maybe solely his activities do merit it…but that opens a huge debate

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I dont remember anyone saying they thought KR should be admitted regardless of merit. My recollection is that people said they didn't think his past should be held against him in terms of admission. Huge difference but you know that.

The demi rats lied for years demanding equality. They never wanted equality. They want the power the white man had.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Seriously doubt anyone gave much of a **** about choosing gayness twenty years ago.

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You weren't here for the dawn of the GSSO in the late '70s, were you? This crap has been going on for a while ...

So replace the old systems of systemic racism with a system that hires promotes and enrolls based on quotas for race, gender, and sexual preferences? Sounds like systemic racism-enhanced to me. Plain old racism isn't good enough for liberals.

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Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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There's a lot more to this article and trend than that, you know that.

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It's your time for the train station

Kozmozag said:

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The demi rats lied for years demanding equality. They never wanted equality. They want the power the white man had.

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Yea it's all done in stages

Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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Of course they like the outcome

Discrimination, Exclusion, and Inequity…fighting racism with racism to stamp out racism, helluva plan

BluHorseShu said:

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CoachO_08 said:

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When it comes to student admission and faculty positions, I have a simple challenge:

Make an argument AGAINST meritocracy.

I'll wait…

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I agree. Which is why it didn't make sense for all the posters who just wanted to admit Kyle Rittenhouse re regardless of his academic competitiveness. I guess we'd have to define/agree on what we're defining as 'merit'. Maybe solely his activities do merit it…but that opens a huge debate

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Thats cool how you just made that up

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Texas A&M is among the most conservative public universities in America, with a student body well to the right of its peers at other schools. Its traditions of military service and commitments to agriculture and mechanical sciences (the original meaning of A&M) connect it to meritocratic invention.

Yet, for more than a decade, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) policies have transformed the university. Those governing Texas A&M think the school itself is racistand they have adopted increasingly radical policies to transform it into a typical, leftist American university. . .

A&M administrators doubled down on DEI ideology in the 2020 State of Diversity Report. They attributed A&M's shortcomings to the systemically racist A&M community.


Well over 60% of all A&M departments now require DEI statements for job applicants. DEI statements are judged using the Berkeley Rubric, which scores candidates low if they seek to "treat everyone the same," while giving extra points to candidates willing to set different standards for different races and sexes.

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https://americanmind.org/salvo/how-texas-am-went-woke/

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A&M being formerly associated with a racially slurred, toxically profane team stadium entrance song..

A result of wokeness or conservatism? Or perhaps something entirely different?

Professional sports and D1 collegiate revenue sports are one of the last true meritocracies in existence.
Players not coaches obviously.

This whole DEI is a preposterous Bolshevik notion incepted into the minds of millions for the primary purpose of stripping the American populace of almost all the qualities that helped us become the world leading power.

Pigs get slaughtered and we're rolling around the barn yard.

milner79 said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Seriously doubt anyone gave much of a **** about choosing gayness twenty years ago.

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You weren't here for the dawn of the GSSO in the late '70s, were you? This crap has been going on for a while ...

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Sure wasn't. I was born in the late 70s and don't know what GSSO is.

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which scores candidates low if they seek to "treat everyone the same," while giving extra points to candidates willing to set different standards for different races and sexes.

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This right here is all you need to know about how stupid, ignorant, and racist liberals really are.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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milner79 said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Seriously doubt anyone gave much of a **** about choosing gayness twenty years ago.

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You weren't here for the dawn of the GSSO in the late '70s, were you? This crap has been going on for a while ...

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Sure wasn't. I was born in the late 70s and don't know what GSSO is.

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I was AT A&M in the late 70's and I don't know what the GSSO is.

Charles Hickson Knows said:

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A&M being formerly associated with a racially slurred, toxically profane team stadium entrance song..

A result of wokeness or conservatism? Or perhaps something entirely different?

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Which song was this?

TXAGFAN said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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There's a lot more to this article and trend than that, you know that.

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I took the same thign from it. Maybe enlighten us?

TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Just your kids being indoctrinated

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murphyag said:

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Muktheduck said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Yes 20 years ago whites and blacks were treated as equals on campus.

Couldn't have that could we?

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I'm not trying to be a smartass, but were there even that many blacks on campus twenty years ago? I graduated in the 90s and there weren't many blacks then besides athletes. I mean it was noticeable to me back then.

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Not because a&m didn't want and accept them. Because very few applied. This was an admin issue the college fretted over from the mid 90's until after I graduated- how to attract black applicants.

Not many black college students were into an engineering/agricultural college in a rural environment. Blacks wanted to go to school in urban areas and study things not engineering and agriculture. The university spent an arm and a leg doing research into why there were so few applicants and how to attract them. that was the consensus from the research they did.

Had nothing to do with racism.

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Plus, then as now, the number of college-eligible black students was small compared to other groups, and there was tremendous competition over them.

When you have a cohort that represents roughly 13 percent of the general population, and then remove those who aren't eligible for/interested in college; students who attend HBCUs; students recruited by Ivy League/Stanford/Rice; etc., you aren't left with a lot of folks. And those who remain are highly recruited by every college in the country.

These schools are fighting over a tiny number of students.

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Just your kids being indoctrinated

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Lord let's hope not, for the kids' sake...

When I'm in the operating room with a major life-threatening procedure facing me, I want to make sure that the surgical staff is diverse and inclusive and not the best and brightest that gives me the highest percentage to come out alive. Who doesn't want to have a dwarf transgendered anesthesiologist and a surgeon who was admitted to his program because we needed another person to check the box on an underperforming quota number.

All this needs to end, you get the job, the slot in school etc. because your grades and background show your are the best not because you check a box and fill a quota.

TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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I heard an outspoken liberal minority professor who graduated from A&M in the mid-60s extol the virtues of the A&M of his generation to a room full of mostly Longhorns. He told them "Texas A&M was one of the only places in my experience where there was a true meritocracy."

We've gone from that to choosing professors based on their degree of anti-white racism, and you think that's progress!

How someone could have something so exactly backward is bizarre to me.

Merit and color blindness are virtues, and your ilk have turned them into vices.

Moreover, all of this DEI and safe space stuff has only served to make minority students less happy and welcomed overall. It's completely counterproductive to the groups it's purporting to benefit.

and then there are the INSUFFERABLE faculty members who start lectures and talks with the indigenous people's land statement. whenever I hear that I walk out. if not physically, then mentally.

That roughly 13 percent is now allowed to run roughshod over the country in pretty much every area.

Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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It's remarkable how fast it went from "we just want recognition and equality". ( fits both sex orientation or race), to "we want money to fix our grievances, screw your 'equal BS', we want you at the back of the bus, sitting and quiet", isn't it?

There is a reason we need lawsuits on this crap in front of SCOTUS with all haste, then bring suits with huge price tags and SCOTUS backing on every stinking entity that enacted these racist, sexist policies in the name of DEI.

MooreTrucker said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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milner79 said:

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DrEvazanPhD said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Seriously doubt anyone gave much of a **** about choosing gayness twenty years ago.

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You weren't here for the dawn of the GSSO in the late '70s, were you? This crap has been going on for a while ...

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Sure wasn't. I was born in the late 70s and don't know what GSSO is.

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I was AT A&M in the late 70's and I don't know what the GSSO is.

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FWIW - I arrived on campus in Fall 1984 and the GSSO issue was at the forefront of "A&M in the news" topics from those days. This is from my 30+ year old memories, so forgive small details I may miss or inadvertently misstate. I believe the issue started just a few years prior to '84, but the gist was that a group wanted to form a "Gay Students Services Organization" and to be included in the MSC-recognized/assisted orgs/clubs. The MSC and school leadership denied their application, saying the MSC/school didn't officially recognize "social clubs," and pointed to frats and sororities as examples. The other side argued that it was a service org, not a social org, and oh by the way, you recognize hometown clubs and Mom's clubs, etc. It went to court and eventually the court granted GSSO the privilege of becoming an MSC-recognized activity. IIRC, it was all said and done no later than '85 or so.

Side note: A few years later, the school was still not recognizing frats and sororities, and there were increasingly common "issues" with those groups. The school had little leverage in policing them (all they could do was complain to the national chartering body, i guess) at that time, so they eventually DID decide to recognize Greek orgs, in order to gain some control. Again, to the best of my memory, and based primarily on what I read in the Batt and the Houston Post back in the day.

Time for a bake sale.

Old Sarge said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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It's remarkable how fast it went from "we just want recognition and equality". ( fits both sex orientation or race), to "we want money to fix our grievances, screw your 'equal BS', we want you at the back of the bus, sitting and quiet", isn't it?

There is a reason we need lawsuits on this crap in front of SCOTUS with all haste, then bring suits with huge price tags and SCOTUS backing on every stinking entity that enacted these racist, sexist policies in the name of DEI.

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That process has already started and the landscape is going to change very soon when they release their opinions on the two cases heard last fall.

MooreTrucker said:

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Charles Hickson Knows said:

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A&M being formerly associated with a racially slurred, toxically profane team stadium entrance song..

A result of wokeness or conservatism? Or perhaps something entirely different?

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Which song was this?

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The first one was a tune by a known racist called Power by Kayne W. 24hrs later the new one was called Bonfire by Childish Gambine. Both....audio AIDS and fortunately tossed in the can.

So, what did we have here? Hyper wokeness? Blatant bigotry? Institutional stupidity?

Discuss..

Diversity?

Heck... in the 80's I had to minor in foreign language to get my EE degree!!!

I hope the board and administration are reading this thread. We do not want wokeness at TAMU. There is nothing wrong at TAMU and these woke classes are not respected by the students.

I know many students at TAMU and they tell me they just go through the motion for they do not buy into to this woke theory.

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Anyone that supports affirmative action is a racist piece of ****

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The are ignorant racist POS.

Ignorant, because they can't fathom how racist it is.
Or maybe they are just evil.

TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

Eta: I don't think A&M is at any risk of becoming a liberal hotbed. It will be ok.

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Can't cut it out intellectually? Use skin color and sexual preference to make selections.
This is a losers mentality

LegalDrugPusher said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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There's a lot more to this article and trend than that, you know that.

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It's your time for the train station

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That's an unfortunate, albeit likely unconsidered, reference.

One Louder said:

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BluHorseShu said:

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CoachO_08 said:

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When it comes to student admission and faculty positions, I have a simple challenge:

Make an argument AGAINST meritocracy.

I'll wait…

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I agree. Which is why it didn't make sense for all the posters who just wanted to admit Kyle Rittenhouse re regardless of his academic competitiveness. I guess we'd have to define/agree on what we're defining as 'merit'. Maybe solely his activities do merit it…but that opens a huge debate

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I dont remember anyone saying they thought KR should be admitted regardless of merit. My recollection is that people said they didn't think his past should be held against him in terms of admission. Huge difference but you know that.

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Umm, okay. So you remember it one way and I remember another. At least we both agree he should only be admitted on his academic merits and not his political activities and that politics of applicants should never play a part in the admission process.

Maroon Dawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Good. We had a lot to overcome even just a short 20 years ago.

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You're celebrating ditching equality and meritocracy in favor of grading people based on their victim status/ideology instead?

Of course you are

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He literally can't help himself. Anything to punish whites, even though none of us today are guilty of past transgressions, and even though he most likely is is one himself.

Liberal white guilt really ****s up the mind.