Baltimore public school results in math…

Ugh…

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GeorgiAg said:

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How many of the 35% are homeschooled?

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Homeschool parents generally care that their children learn.

P.U.T.U said:

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I also see a lot more kids playing select sports so instead of having time to focus on schoolwork they are playing sports 5-7 days a week. It is burning kids out from playing sports and now they have to play catch up with their education.

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I'm with you there. And any league that going to make my kid play on a Sunday morning is an automatic non starter.

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Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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Why have "Florida-style bills" become necessary?

Hint: it isn't because teachers have been martyrs hyper-focused on teaching students to read, write, and do math.

Jeeper79 said:

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Schools get graded just like kids do, and they're all available online. The quality of the local public schools was high on our list when we bought our current house. We haven't been disappointed.

One of our kids was diagnosed with borderline dyslexia so they go to a special class every day while all the other kids in their class are learning to read. I don't know what they teach in regular class, but our kid is definitely getting some phonics. I don't see it explicitly mentioned, but I can tell by the nature of the work that they focus on letter groupings.

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This is why your child is being taught phonics. It's the gold standard for teaching dyslexic kids to read. The point of the article was that when phonics was removed as the standard for teaching all kids to read, reading mastery went down. Imagine that.

Today's 4th graders were in 1st grade when Covid "forced" them out of school and into "virtual learning". My wife is a 4th grade teacher and this year has been miserable for her.

Spotted Ag said:

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Today's 4th graders were in 1st grade when Covid "forced" them out of school and into "virtual learning". My wife is a 4th grade teacher and this year has been miserable for her.

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We had our very young kid repeat a grade due to Covid, even though they technically would have passed. It's made a big difference. Don't k ow that we could have gotten away with that with an older kid, though.

The pandemic response didn't help kids, but the foundational problems existed prior to Covid. Covid responses just helped reveal those problems.

Parents got a first hand look at what and how their kids are being taught and they didn't like it.

rocky the dog said:

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It used to work great when it was all controlled at the local level by the local community. As others have said, get the national government involved by created the DoE and it goes downhill fast.

F2Aggie said:

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The title is 65% of 4th graders can't read , but does the article ever say how they came up with that number?
What was the sample size, who did they sample?
Maybe it's true but where is the data/ evidence behind that number?

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The article hedges it more than OP's thread title.

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Consider the fact that 65% of American fourth-grade students can barely read.

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This even backs away further from the thread title.

https://readonarizona.org/news/70-percent-of-4th-graders-dont-read-proficiently-whats-the-problem/

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According to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, 65 percent of fourth-graders nationwide don't read proficiently, compared to 70 percent in Arizona. NAEP defines "proficient" as "competency of challenging subject matter."

The 65 percentage point hasn't changed much. It isn't much of an improvement since 1992, when the percentage was 71.
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Still not great, but a far cry from "can't read", and better than the early 90s apparently.

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Poverty could be one reason. Nearly 7 in 10 third-graders from low-income families failed the AzMERIT in 2015. And according to the Annie E. Casey Foundation, 80 percent of fourth-graders from low-income families don't read proficiently.

Put simply, these children don't have books. Many families can't afford them. Erika Nichols-Frazer, the communications manager for the Children's Literacy Foundation, said on average there is only one book for every 300 children in low-income communities.

Besides affordability, Nichols-Frazer said that many parents might be too busy juggling multiple jobs to visit the library or read to their child daily.

Additionally, parents of low-income families are often unable to afford early childcare. Specifically, the Annie E. Casey Foundation said that 62 percent of children ages 3 to 4 in Arizona were not enrolled in preschool in 2016.

"Those who have attended preschool come to kindergarten more prepared," Nichols-Frazer said. "They've read books, they've talked to other kids. Free childcare is a huge issue."
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It's not hard to believe that the numbers could correlate with poverty.

F2Aggie said:

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The title is 65% of 4th graders can't read , but does the article ever say how they came up with that number?
What was the sample size, who did they sample?
Maybe it's true but where is the data/ evidence behind that number?

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I did not see it either.

[url] https://nhvrc.org/indicator_chart/reading-proficiency-2021/[/url]

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Sixty-six percent of fourth graders failed to score at or above standards for reading proficiency in 2019.

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https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/reading/2022/

TXAGFAN said:

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Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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And the legislation to improve schools is where? Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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Introducing more school choice would be a good start.

Here's the podcast:

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2022/10/20/sold-a-story-e1-the-problem

TheMasterplan said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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And the legislation to improve schools is where? Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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Introducing more school choice would be a good start.

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And getting rid of the Department of Education would be a great move after that.

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Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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And the legislation to improve schools is where? Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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What a really strange and random thing to bring up on this particular thread. I also want to echo the question from a poster earlier who asked you what you would do to improve education if you had a magic wand. You never returned after that. I'm genuinely curious.

Spotted Ag said:

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Today's 4th graders were in 1st grade when Covid "forced" them out of school and into "virtual learning". My wife is a 4th grade teacher and this year has been miserable for her.

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Yep. There is already a teacher shortage. It's going to get MUCH worse next school year.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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How many of the 35% are homeschooled?

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Homeschool parents generally care that their children learn.

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That's not true. There are a lot of parents in poverty and drug/alcohol-infested environments that "homeschool" their kids to try to keep DHS away. These kids receive no education. Once the kids are forced to go to school, they often don't even know which direction words start from.

Has anyone else seen the Dallas Morning News' solution to kids not being able to read? I've seen their ad on youtube several times now, but their solution is to subscribe to the DMN paper....great solution by the brain trust at the company.

Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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It sounds like they are trying to teach kids to be proficient in reading the funny pages in the Sunday newspapers.

Came here to plug the podcast too. My wife is a director of curriculum. At a central Texas school district and she said it was really well done.

https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

redcrayon said:

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Jeeper79 said:

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Schools get graded just like kids do, and they're all available online. The quality of the local public schools was high on our list when we bought our current house. We haven't been disappointed.

One of our kids was diagnosed with borderline dyslexia so they go to a special class every day while all the other kids in their class are learning to read. I don't know what they teach in regular class, but our kid is definitely getting some phonics. I don't see it explicitly mentioned, but I can tell by the nature of the work that they focus on letter groupings.

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This is why your child is being taught phonics. It's the gold standard for teaching dyslexic kids to read. The point of the article was that when phonics was removed as the standard for teaching all kids to read, reading mastery went down. Imagine that.

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A lot of Texas schools tried to teach reading without phonics over twenty years ago.

My wife and I sent our kids to a small private school from pre-K through 3rd grade, primarily to ensure they could read proficiently using phonics. About half of the students had parents who were teaching in the local ISD. At high school graduation, nearly all the top students had attended the private school, particularly the valedictorian and the two students who were tied for salutatorian.

I don't understand why schools are repeating the disaster of teaching reading without phonics, again.

Phonics is making a comeback in public schools.

Beast of Burden said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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And the legislation to improve schools is where? Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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What a really strange and random thing to bring up on this particular thread. I also want to echo the question from a poster earlier who asked you what you would do to improve education if you had a magic wand. You never returned after that. I'm genuinely curious.

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Hasn't returned because there is no leftist talking points to address your question in any depth beyond a platitude.

JDUB08AG said:

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End of the day, if the parents are involved with their children's education, this wouldn't be an issue. Parents should be reading with their kids most nights. I'm not talking about spending an hour every night reading, but simply reading a book or 2 with your kid really reinforces the education.

While I always enjoy crapping on our public education system, issue number 1 continues to be parents who outsource every bit of education to a separate entity.

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we have made it a priority to sit down with our first grader and read 15 to 30 minutes 4 to 6 times a week. He is doing the reading. Tonight we read a book about tractors (one of his favorite things). He sounded out "manufacturer" "agricultural" and "economical" on his own. His kindergartener sister sits on the couch with us and picks up on the reading as well. She does not like to be the only one who can't do something.

My mother in law subs a lot at her local elementary school and some of the 5th grade students can't read as well as our first grader.

I've had guys who have been through tech school who can't read a service manual. Ive had guys turn job applications that have clearly been filled out by the wife or girlfriend. It's amazing how some of these people make it through life.

InfantryAg said:

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Beast of Burden said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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And the legislation to improve schools is where? Feels like more Florida style bills are priority.

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What a really strange and random thing to bring up on this particular thread. I also want to echo the question from a poster earlier who asked you what you would do to improve education if you had a magic wand. You never returned after that. I'm genuinely curious.

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Hasn't returned because there is no leftist talking points to address your question in any depth beyond a platitude.

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That poster certainly has a recognizable M.O.

Funny to watch someone so superior in their own mind completely vanish from threads when asked direct questions.

Reading is operated, they can all tik tok.

There is no better example of crabs in a bucket mentality than public school advocates against school choice.

panhandlefarmer said:

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Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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For our dyslexic son, coding was the only way he was finally able to read. He flourishes now because of 1 hour a week of public instruction and 1 hour a day of private tutoring we paid for from 2nd grade thru 6th grade. It was a real hassle, but he is getting A's in high school and enjoys reading now. If it would have been left up to the school, it never would have happened.

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I was your son back in the 80's when I was just labeled "slow" . Years of tutoring and help to over come dyslexia. This way of teaching English just feeds into the traps that get dyslexics in trouble. Slowing down, sounding words out, and using phonics the only way I have gotten this far.

I am sure there are 10 errors in here but I don't care.

What about kids taking a year, maybe 2 years off in some states because of covid non sense

DatTallArchitect said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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How many of the 35% are homeschooled?

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Homeschool parents generally care that their children learn.

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That's not true. There are a lot of parents in poverty and drug/alcohol-infested environments that "homeschool" their kids to try to keep DHS away. These kids receive no education. Once the kids are forced to go to school, they often don't even know which direction words start from.

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This is a small percentage of "homeschoolers." Actually, they could probably be classified as truants. Don't try and muddy the waters of homeschooling with these outliers.

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panhandlefarmer said:

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Squadron7 said:

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I'm sure they have their pronouns ironed out, though. After that, the only responsibility public schools have left is to hand out condoms and help transition the dysmorphic.

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American Public Media reporter Emily Hanford digs into a flawed theory that has shaped reading instruction for decades. The theory is that children can learn to read without learning how to sound out words, because there are other strategies they can use to figure out what the words say. Strategies like "look at the picture" or "think of a word that makes sense."

Research by cognitive scientists has demonstrated that readers need to know how to sound out words. But some teacher training programs still emphasize this debunked theory, including books and classroom materials that are popular around the world. Scientists say these strategies are teaching children the habits of struggling readers. Kids learn to skip letters and words and struggle to understand what they're reading.

For decades, the standard approach to teaching kids how to decipher, or "decode," text has rested on the assumption that it's not necessary to explicitly teach the vast majority of them how to connect sounds in words to the letters that represent them. Teachers may throw in some of that instruction, often called "phonics," but they're guided by their training and materials to encourage kids to guess at words, using context or pictures. Scientific evidence has clearly shown, however, that many if not most children will struggle to become fluent readers unless they get systematic instruction in phonics.

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For our dyslexic son, coding was the only way he was finally able to read. He flourishes now because of 1 hour a week of public instruction and 1 hour a day of private tutoring we paid for from 2nd grade thru 6th grade. It was a real hassle, but he is getting A's in high school and enjoys reading now. If it would have been left up to the school, it never would have happened.

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I was your son back in the 80's when I was just labeled "slow" . Years of tutoring and help to over come dyslexia. This way of teaching English just feeds into the traps that get dyslexics in trouble. Slowing down, sounding words out, and using phonics the only way I have gotten this far.

I am sure there are 10 errors in here but I don't care.

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This is why it makes sense to teach phonics to all kids. Not only is it beneficial to all kids, it would keep the dyslexic kids moving forward even if they needed some extra help. It makes no sense to teach reading in a way that is a detriment to dyslexic kids, who aren't exactly small in number. There is no detriment to non-dyslexic kids who learn phonics.

redcrayon said:

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DatTallArchitect said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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How many of the 35% are homeschooled?

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Homeschool parents generally care that their children learn.

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That's not true. There are a lot of parents in poverty and drug/alcohol-infested environments that "homeschool" their kids to try to keep DHS away. These kids receive no education. Once the kids are forced to go to school, they often don't even know which direction words start from.

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This is a small percentage of "homeschoolers." Actually, they could probably be classified as truants. Don't try and muddy the waters of homeschooling with these outliers.

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Do you have any evidence to support this?