It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that, outside of deep blue urban centers, Libs are only able to win political office as a result of blatant fraud. Of course the feckless GOP is essentially complicit through inaction (feigned action).
Katie Hobbs is turrible.
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You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Clearly being overly attached to Trump and election denying cost her that election.Quote:
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
**** John McCain. Piece of **** stuck us with Obamacare.J. Walter Weatherman said:Rockdoc said:
Sorry I don't click on CNN, nor believe what they say.
Lol, that explains a lot. Here, I'll post Lake's actual words for you:Quote:
"We don't have any McCain Republicans in here, do we?" Lake asked from a campaign stage. "Alright, get the hell out," she said, before adding, "Boy, Arizona has delivered some losers, haven't they?"
oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Lake lost because of massive dem cheating. Nothing that she did.
AggieVictor10 said:
all dems cheat
can guarantee that if Kari Lake runs again- she loses again.
how is it that numerous OTHER Republicans won in Arizona and Georgia, just not the three Trumpiest candidates?
Not really. Says a whole lot more about the average Dem voter. Fetterman, Hobbs, Biden, and a literally dead person.jteAg said:Says a lot about the the Republican candidates that lost to them, doesn't it.fka ftc said:
How they heck did she "win" that election.
Watching her interview with Shannon Bream. She sounds like a dip**** student council delegate.
He whiny voice is bone rattling. Her "accent" makes her sound like a valley girl airhead.
Folks like her, Fetterman and Biden show that Ds just record ballots for whomever they are told to.
Embarrassing.
Continuing to cite election results where the largest county had a lot of sketchy problems isn't all that compelling.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Lake was comfortably polling more than ten points ahead of Hobbs in most pre-election polls. But yeah, she lost because she said a few mean things about McCain.
fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
I'll take that as a no.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:
How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
So its not about electing a good candidate from the D side, its just that only the D can no matter who the Rs put up.
We know why it is happening again and again. Our choice is to stop the cheating or join the cheating.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
fka ftc said:I'll take that as a no.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:
How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
So its not about electing a good candidate from the D side, its just that only the D can no matter who the Rs put up.
We know why it is happening again and again. Our choice is to stop the cheating or join the cheating.
The entire premise of your argument ignores reality. People have two choices, of course there are people who vote against one candidate vs. for another candidate (or stay home/ignore that race on the ballot altogether).
Biden, Fetterman and Hobbs are all crappy candidates. And yet republicans still lost because the ones they ran were worse in the minds of voters.
Unable to answer the question, got it. So you only vote against R no matter what as you confirm it does not matter who the D candidate is.J. Walter Weatherman said:
The entire premise of your argument ignores reality. People have two choices, of course there are people who vote against one candidate vs. for another candidate (or stay home/ignore that race on the ballot altogether).
Biden, Fetterman and Hobbs are all crappy candidates. And yet republicans still lost because the ones they ran were worse in the minds of voters.
In Arizona, that means an empty suit governor who is married to a child predator and who also supports open borders, ending school choice, and whatever Soros tells her to support.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
fka ftc said:Unable to answer the question, got it. So you only vote against R no matter what as you confirm it does not matter who the D candidate is.J. Walter Weatherman said:
The entire premise of your argument ignores reality. People have two choices, of course there are people who vote against one candidate vs. for another candidate (or stay home/ignore that race on the ballot altogether).
Biden, Fetterman and Hobbs are all crappy candidates. And yet republicans still lost because the ones they ran were worse in the minds of voters.
In Arizona, that means an empty suit governor who is married to a child predator and who also supports open borders, ending school choice, and whatever Soros tells her to support.
Your question ignores reality, so no there's no need to answer it. If you want to live in some fantasy land go ahead, but the reality is that while democrats don't care about candidate quality and will pull the lever for anyone with a D by their name, republicans clearly do.
And since I want republicans to stop nominating crappy candidates who lose to even worse democrat candidates, I think it's important to learn from past elections so they don't keep repeating the same mistakes.
My question is for you to explain to me why people voted for Katie Hobbs without making reference to Kari Lake.
And your response is that the question ignores reality? Thats legit insightful.
And your response is that the question ignores reality? Thats legit insightful.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
Figured it was obvious, but I'm assuming most democrat Hobbs voters voted for her because she's a democrat, not because of any policy positions. Welcome to modern politics.
Why do you think 120,000 more people voted for the Republican Treasurer than they did for Lake?
Why do you think 120,000 more people voted for the Republican Treasurer than they did for Lake?
The feckless GOP is at odds with any true-conservative, America-First republican candidate. If you aren't in the establishment club or you actively campaign to shake up the establishment, the GOP will side with the Dems every time.BAM! said:
It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that, outside of deep blue urban centers, Libs are only able to win political office as a result of blatant fraud. Of course the feckless GOP is essentially complicit through inaction (feigned action).
She counted the votes, that's how she "won".fka ftc said:
How they heck did she "win" that election.
Watching her interview with Shannon Bream. She sounds like a dip**** student council delegate.
He whiny voice is bone rattling. Her "accent" makes her sound like a valley girl airhead.
Folks like her, Fetterman and Biden show that Ds just record ballots for whomever they are told to.
Embarrassing.
Virtually every other election is pretty clean compared to AZ, and doesn't take 2 weeks to figure out as well.Jeeper79 said:Same goes for every other Secretary of State, and virtually none of them recuse themselves.IslanderAg04 said:fka ftc said:
How they heck did she "win" that election.
Watching her interview with Shannon Bream. She sounds like a dip**** student council delegate.
He whiny voice is bone rattling. Her "accent" makes her sound like a valley girl airhead.
Folks like her, Fetterman and Biden show that Ds just record ballots for whomever they are told to.
Embarrassing.
Well, she was the authority figure over her own election, so theres that.
Juuuuuussssttt a bit of a difference. But pay no mind to the man behind the curtain!
Every time somebody attempts to do so, you go crying foul and do everything possible to put a full stop on the discovery process and fight tooth and nail against any change that serves to eliminate the massive amount of ability to commit voter fraud and strengthen the overall process.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
But don't let those little things get in the way.
I don't. Very few people do.J. Walter Weatherman said:
Figured it was obvious, but I'm assuming most democrat Hobbs voters voted for her because she's a democrat, not because of any policy positions. Welcome to modern politics.
Why do you think 120,000 more people voted for the Republican Treasurer than they did for Lake?
But any attempt to dive into the data and see why is met with the resistance of the Russians when the Germans were on the outskirts of Stalingrad. I wonder why that is? Why would anybody not want to accurately analyze the data to determine why something happened?
Gee, the reason...I just can't put my finger on it.
schmellba99 said:Every time somebody attempts to do so, you go crying foul and do everything possible to put a full stop on the discovery process and fight tooth and nail against any change that serves to eliminate the massive amount of ability to commit voter fraud and strengthen the overall process.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
But don't let those little things get in the way.
Who is "you" in this situation? As you can imagine I have nothing to do with every voter fraud accusation getting tossed out of court. If at any point one of the numerous court cases that keep getting thrown out actually goes through or is proven, I'll happily view that as a reason for Lake doing so much worse than other republicans in Arizona. Until then I'll operate with the facts that are out there currently.
oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Immensely popular to me means winning with a significant majority of the vote (60%+). To get that, Lake would have needed about 250-300k in votes (roughly 10% of the votes cast).
Are you implying that 10% of statewide votes in Arizona were fraudulent? You have to admit that would be incredibly easy to prove.
Massive fraud. Hope Arizona enjoys their idiot Hobbs.
I have no way to validate how my votes were cast. I turn some knobs, push some buttons and take a piece of paper to a machine. The piece of paper goes into the machine and ... who knows what happens.BoydCrowder13 said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Immensely popular to me means winning with a significant majority of the vote (60%+). To get that, Lake would have needed about 250-300k in votes (roughly 10% of the votes cast).
Are you implying that 10% of statewide votes in Arizona were fraudulent? You have to admit that would be incredibly easy to prove.
Why would 180k vote for the down-ballot but not Lake? Well, one explanation would be that the tabulator was syphoning off votes for Lake and allocating them to Hobbs. That would cause that inexplicable outcome, would it not?
Or maybe the manual processes in the largest county in the state were more successful reading votes down ballot than they were for Lake. Something about incorrect paper size template for the ballot size?
I am not saying that's what happened, but the polling and enthusiasm are completely contrary to the supposed outcome.
WHOOP!'91 said:I have no way to validate how my votes were cast. I turn some knobs, push some buttons and take a piece of paper to a machine. The piece of paper goes into the machine and ... who knows what happens.BoydCrowder13 said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Immensely popular to me means winning with a significant majority of the vote (60%+). To get that, Lake would have needed about 250-300k in votes (roughly 10% of the votes cast).
Are you implying that 10% of statewide votes in Arizona were fraudulent? You have to admit that would be incredibly easy to prove.
Why would 180k vote for the down-ballot but not Lake? Well, one explanation would be that the tabulator was syphoning off votes for Lake and allocating them to Hobbs. That would cause that inexplicable outcome, would it not?
Or maybe the manual processes in the largest county in the state were more successful reading votes down ballot than they were for Lake. Something about incorrect paper size template for the ballot size?
I am not saying that's what happened, but the polling and enthusiasm are completely contrary to the supposed outcome.
We believe polling now?
The most likely reason is that there are a lot of McCain Republicans in Arizona. He got 100,000 more votes than Lake during his last election 7 years ago. Lake told those supporters to go F themselves. The other down ballot Republicans didn't do that. You may hate that reality and she didn't need to be a big McCain guy but it was just a stupid mistake.
That is the simplest explanation, but it would imply that Lake is a political idiot. And we can't have that so let's concoct an elaborate cheating system that affected 10% of the votes in the state for 1 race while ignoring the others.
J. Walter Weatherman said:schmellba99 said:Every time somebody attempts to do so, you go crying foul and do everything possible to put a full stop on the discovery process and fight tooth and nail against any change that serves to eliminate the massive amount of ability to commit voter fraud and strengthen the overall process.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
But don't let those little things get in the way.
Who is "you" in this situation? As you can imagine I have nothing to do with every voter fraud accusation getting tossed out of court. If at any point one of the numerous court cases that keep getting thrown out actually goes through or is proven, I'll happily view that as a reason for Lake doing so much worse than other republicans in Arizona. Until then I'll operate with the facts that are out there currently.
That's exactly the problem, there are no accurate "facts"..,
Let me do all the vote counting next time and watch who wins!
BoydCrowder13 said:WHOOP!'91 said:I have no way to validate how my votes were cast. I turn some knobs, push some buttons and take a piece of paper to a machine. The piece of paper goes into the machine and ... who knows what happens.BoydCrowder13 said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
The democratic machine doesn't even try to "get out the vote" or have rallies for votes anymore. Billionaire elitists fund NGOs to go harvest mail-in ballots. In AZ, machines don't work in the biggest county on election day and it takes more than a week to keep finding enough ballots for the socialist party, but yeah, sure, Republicans need better candidates.
Immensely popular to me means winning with a significant majority of the vote (60%+). To get that, Lake would have needed about 250-300k in votes (roughly 10% of the votes cast).
Are you implying that 10% of statewide votes in Arizona were fraudulent? You have to admit that would be incredibly easy to prove.
Why would 180k vote for the down-ballot but not Lake? Well, one explanation would be that the tabulator was syphoning off votes for Lake and allocating them to Hobbs. That would cause that inexplicable outcome, would it not?
Or maybe the manual processes in the largest county in the state were more successful reading votes down ballot than they were for Lake. Something about incorrect paper size template for the ballot size?
I am not saying that's what happened, but the polling and enthusiasm are completely contrary to the supposed outcome.
We believe polling now?
The most likely reason is that there are a lot of McCain Republicans in Arizona. He got 100,000 more votes than Lake during his last election 7 years ago. Lake told those supporters to go F themselves. The other down ballot Republicans didn't do that. You may hate that reality and she didn't need to be a big McCain guy but it was just a stupid mistake.
That is the simplest explanation, but it would imply that Lake is a political idiot. And we can't have that so let's concoct an elaborate cheating system that affected 10% of the votes in the state for 1 race while ignoring the others.
Maricopa County is now famous nationally for its incompetence and rigging of elections - Arizona should be ashamed but strangely they're not!
ArbAg said:J. Walter Weatherman said:schmellba99 said:Every time somebody attempts to do so, you go crying foul and do everything possible to put a full stop on the discovery process and fight tooth and nail against any change that serves to eliminate the massive amount of ability to commit voter fraud and strengthen the overall process.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
But don't let those little things get in the way.
Who is "you" in this situation? As you can imagine I have nothing to do with every voter fraud accusation getting tossed out of court. If at any point one of the numerous court cases that keep getting thrown out actually goes through or is proven, I'll happily view that as a reason for Lake doing so much worse than other republicans in Arizona. Until then I'll operate with the facts that are out there currently.
That's exactly the problem, there are no accurate "facts"..,
Let me do all the vote counting next time and watch who wins!
No, the facts are that she lost, somehow got 120K less votes than the Republican Treasurer, an actual serious candidate who didn't chose to insult a big chunk of Arizona Republicans, and also had significantly less votes than Ducey and McCain received in the past.
If you have any evidence or proof that those numbers aren't correct, feel free to send them to Arizona.
J. Walter Weatherman said:ArbAg said:J. Walter Weatherman said:schmellba99 said:Every time somebody attempts to do so, you go crying foul and do everything possible to put a full stop on the discovery process and fight tooth and nail against any change that serves to eliminate the massive amount of ability to commit voter fraud and strengthen the overall process.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.J. Walter Weatherman said:oh no said:
You have been successfully programmed if you think that ******ed lady Katie Hobbs, who was not popular, couldn't get a dozen people to her rallies, refused to debate, and can't communicate her position on anything, is only there because Kari Lake was a poor candidate or because Kari Lake said anything about John McCain.
Lake was an outstanding candidate and was clearly immensely popular. Americans who haven't been poisoned or programmed don't really want leftist socialists governing them.
So "immensely popular" that she got 60K less votes than Ducey did in 2018 and 120K less votes than the Republican candidate for state Treasurer in 2022?
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
But don't let those little things get in the way.
Who is "you" in this situation? As you can imagine I have nothing to do with every voter fraud accusation getting tossed out of court. If at any point one of the numerous court cases that keep getting thrown out actually goes through or is proven, I'll happily view that as a reason for Lake doing so much worse than other republicans in Arizona. Until then I'll operate with the facts that are out there currently.
That's exactly the problem, there are no accurate "facts"..,
Let me do all the vote counting next time and watch who wins!
No, the facts are that she lost, somehow got 120K less votes than the Republican Treasurer, an actual serious candidate who didn't chose to insult a big chunk of Arizona Republicans, and also had significantly less votes than Ducey and McCain received in the past.
If you have any evidence or proof that those numbers aren't correct, feel free to send them to Arizona.
No, the facts are that everyone believes that Maricopa Country is an absolute illegitimate politically inspired joke. You attempting to defend them doesn't make it any less true…
J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:I'll take that as a no.J. Walter Weatherman said:fka ftc said:
How about instead you focus on why ANYONE voted for the Hobbs chick.
Total empty suit married to a pedo child mutilating mind warping husband. Yep, nothing to see here at all.
This election was bought and paid for by the DNC with a plan executed to keep totally week candidate in the basement / desert, push the ballot harvesting, and manage the count.
Ds are electing actually dead, brain dead, and near brain dead candidate from POTUS to Senate to AZ Guvna.
Explain why Hobbs won without mentioning Kari Lake. And explain how Biden won without mentioning Trump.
It's a binary choice. 120,000 Arizona Republicans chose to vote Republican for Treasurer but then decided they didn't also want to vote for Lake. Maybe they didn't want someone whose only real world experience was reading a teleprompter for 30 years running their state? Maybe they were pissed about the McCain comments? Maybe they hated trump and were tired of all of the crying about 2020?
Probably some combo of all 3, but ignoring Lake's flaws is pointless when people had two choices and a significant amount of Republicans clearly chose not to vote for her. It would be smart to figure out why that was so it doesn't happen again.
So its not about electing a good candidate from the D side, its just that only the D can no matter who the Rs put up.
We know why it is happening again and again. Our choice is to stop the cheating or join the cheating.
The entire premise of your argument ignores reality. People have two choices, of course there are people who vote against one candidate vs. for another candidate (or stay home/ignore that race on the ballot altogether).
Biden, Fetterman and Hobbs are all crappy candidates. And yet republicans still lost because the ones they ran were worse in the minds of voters.
What you are leaving out of you "premise" is the industrial scale ballot harvesting by the dimtard scum.
Lake was awesome. McCain comments are a BS "DEBUNKED" leftist excuse talking point.
Americans who actually contribute to America- earners/ producers- don't want to be controlled by a socialist regime. They want to control who governs them and who represents them in DC.
The problem is the socialist party barely even tries to trick you to win your vote anymore. Sure, there's some of that by them and their pravda media with lies and fears about racism and baby killing rights, but the socialists are relying on, and investing in, mail in ballot harvesting instead of vote earning. What would be the government-dependent, free handout seeking, welfare state socialist voter base is too lazy to vote and it was too much of an effort for socialists to motivate them to "get out the vote".
A system where it's too easy to obtain the list of non-voters and the list of voters who don't usually vote and take advantage of people who otherwise don't know or don't care, where signature verification is a weak control not implemented or is optional, where chain of custody is not controlled and collection of ballots can be outsourced, where tabulation machines are configureable, not logged, and insecure enough to be able to achieve desired results is exactly what they want and it's what they got. After all, the idea of security and anti-fraud controls is "racist voter suppression" and a "threat to our democracy".
All those machines, that worked fine in the primaries and during early voting, not working in Arizona's biggest county on election day, is more than suspect. No one in AZ liked Hobbs. All her funding came from out of state and out of the country.
Do we believe in polls now? Even when Hilary was up in polls in 2016, there were indications Trump could win. Lake was up on Hobbs by at least 10 points in polls. There was no indication anyone was voting for Hobbs until the machines all broke at once.
We are ****ed if something isn't done to restore integrity and add controls and accountability in our systems in some of these states.
Americans who actually contribute to America- earners/ producers- don't want to be controlled by a socialist regime. They want to control who governs them and who represents them in DC.
The problem is the socialist party barely even tries to trick you to win your vote anymore. Sure, there's some of that by them and their pravda media with lies and fears about racism and baby killing rights, but the socialists are relying on, and investing in, mail in ballot harvesting instead of vote earning. What would be the government-dependent, free handout seeking, welfare state socialist voter base is too lazy to vote and it was too much of an effort for socialists to motivate them to "get out the vote".
A system where it's too easy to obtain the list of non-voters and the list of voters who don't usually vote and take advantage of people who otherwise don't know or don't care, where signature verification is a weak control not implemented or is optional, where chain of custody is not controlled and collection of ballots can be outsourced, where tabulation machines are configureable, not logged, and insecure enough to be able to achieve desired results is exactly what they want and it's what they got. After all, the idea of security and anti-fraud controls is "racist voter suppression" and a "threat to our democracy".
All those machines, that worked fine in the primaries and during early voting, not working in Arizona's biggest county on election day, is more than suspect. No one in AZ liked Hobbs. All her funding came from out of state and out of the country.
Do we believe in polls now? Even when Hilary was up in polls in 2016, there were indications Trump could win. Lake was up on Hobbs by at least 10 points in polls. There was no indication anyone was voting for Hobbs until the machines all broke at once.
We are ****ed if something isn't done to restore integrity and add controls and accountability in our systems in some of these states.
Fyi you just typing out debunked in all caps doesn't actually mean anything. If you have any actual evidence of cheating that would explain Lake getting 120k less votes than the Republican treasurer or substantially less votes than Ducey or McCain then feel free to share it. Or maybe send it to Lake's campaign so they don't keep losing their court cases.
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