Yep, wonder how much the Union driver was at fault?

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Somehow this is certainly the fault of over-regulation

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It certainly is.

The first line is definitely sarcasm,
so I guess the second is too?

Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Unions are like HOAs In modern America. Unnecessary and designed to line the pockets of those who build and run them, not those they claim to represent.

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dead said:

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Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Unions are like HOAs In modern America. Unnecessary and designed to line the pockets of those who build and run them, not those they claim to represent.

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Railroad unions fought for safety regulations that would have prevented this accident.

WaltonAg18 said:

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aggielostinETX said:

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dead said:

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Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Unions are like HOAs In modern America. Unnecessary and designed to line the pockets of those who build and run them, not those they claim to represent.

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Railroad unions fought for safety regulations that would have prevented this accident.

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Really? Please cite the exact example of what you claim.

Link?

aggielostinETX said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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aggielostinETX said:

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dead said:

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Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Unions are like HOAs In modern America. Unnecessary and designed to line the pockets of those who build and run them, not those they claim to represent.

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Railroad unions fought for safety regulations that would have prevented this accident.

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Really? Please cite the exact example of what you claim.

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Sure, I'll give an example.

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The RWU argues that antiquated regulation and corporate malpractice led to the potentially generationally damaging incident, a primary culprit being Precision Scheduled Railroading, or PSR. The practice, dubbed by some workers as "positive shareholder reaction," manages freight movement by the individual car level, as opposed to the whole trainensuring train cars are constantly on the move. In practice, this has cut jobs, consolidated dispatch centers, and made trains less safe, as fewer workers have less time to conduct checks on more train cars.

Based on its analysis, the RWU says "the immediate cause of the wreck appears to have been a nineteenth-century style mechanical failure of the axle on one of the carsan overheated bearingleading to derailment and then jackknifing tumbling cars."

Moreover, the train appeared to have had its collective weight unbalanced; prior to PSR, the caucus said, trains would be built with the heavier cars on the head, and the lighter ones bringing up the rear. Such a practice would prevent what happened in Ohio: heavier cars slamming into lighter ones in front of them, causing the exact jackknifing that had occurred last week. The train allegedly had 40 percent of its weight on the rear one-third of the train.

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"Precision Scheduled Railroading" is more than likely a major culprit in this incident for the following reasons:
-- Inspection times have been cut resulting in the defective car remaining in the consist.
-- Train was excessively long and heavy… 151 cars, 9300 feet, 18,000 tons.
-- Train was not blocked properly because PSR calls for limited car dwell times in terminals. Blocking a train for proper train handling (placing the majority of weight on the head end and ahead of cushioned draw bars) takes longer so this practice has been mostly eliminated by the rail carriers.

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Link?

So the Union, after the fact, is claiming something unproven and their opinion would have stopped the derailment. So in other words, the Union is trying to score points on the backs of the people of East Palestine who will be dealing with it for the years to come.

You left this part out:

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If this did indeed occur this way, the train would've gone into emergency and the heavy tank cars on the rear end would've slammed into the derailed cars causing the 50 cars to pile up off the track and catch fire.

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So what you saying is 100% conjecture based on an email sent to Union members and supporters.

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Link?

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https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Special-Report--Monster-Train-Wreck-in-Ohio.html?soid=1116509035139&aid=fzMOujXbqBo

Providing an explanation on a topic you've spent a majority of your working career in =/= trying to score points.

Trying to score points is doing a photo shoot in the area for the media talking heads while cleanup efforts - such as properly removing the affected soil - are ignored.

How long has your career been and in what field?

You're really coming across as anti-worker today

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You're really coming across as anti-worker today

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Kinda the goal.

Back in the day, it was common practice that the empties went towards the rear of the train. I didn't look THAT closely at the manifest. If they did load the empties in front with the full cars towards the end....not sure why they'd do that. It's not something BN allowed. But perhaps NS is different. Or perhaps times have changed and they're short cutting to get ahead of a backlog. But there was obviously a reason all these rules were made in the first place.

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Holy **** some of y'all hate unions with every fiber of your being and actually think corporations can do no wrong

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Unions are like HOAs In modern America. Unnecessary and designed to line the pockets of those who build and run them, not those they claim to represent.

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Normally I hate unions, but this is one of the few cases where the union is right. They got busted by the Feds (specifically the Biden administration and the DNC) and told to suck it up or go to prison.

A whole hell of a lot of the blame lies at the feet of the current administration, which is why they wanted to ignore it.

my experience with unions and management was INCREDIBLE, and not good for the unions at all. the costs, waste, corruption, the unethical scumbag union leadership, and everything was beyond belief.

the management were generally pretty reasonable people

then the banks and government got involved with the union, and took things out of managements' hands

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my experience with unions and management was INCREDIBLE, and not good for the unions at all. the costs, waste, corruption, the unethical scumbag union leadership, and everything was beyond belief.

the management were generally pretty reasonable people

then the banks and government got involved with the union, and took things out of managements' hands

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This is one of the few cases where the opposite happened and the Union got ****ed while the government took the side of the corporation. This appears much more like an 1800s style Union bust than anything else.

BREAKING - DEADLY LIES: Independent researchers at Texas A&M University have just contradicted federal government regulators, saying that toxic air pollutants in East Palestine, Ohio, could pose long-term risks.

The Washington Post writes, "Three weeks after the toxic train… https://t.co/3UtsfHEiIO pic.twitter.com/PLOhfY1ko2

— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) February 24, 2023

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Independent researchers at Texas A&M University have just contradicted federal government regulators

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Two years ago that was a big no-no. I guess that's progress.

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cbr said:

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my experience with unions and management was INCREDIBLE, and not good for the unions at all. the costs, waste, corruption, the unethical scumbag union leadership, and everything was beyond belief.

the management were generally pretty reasonable people

then the banks and government got involved with the union, and took things out of managements' hands

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This is one of the few cases where the opposite happened and the Union got ****ed while the government took the side of the corporation. This appears much more like an 1800s style Union bust than anything else.

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The original legislation issues I believe go back to the Obama administration in 2015. This is certainly, as other posters pointed out, a problem courtesy of the uniparty.

WaltonAg18 said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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cbr said:

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my experience with unions and management was INCREDIBLE, and not good for the unions at all. the costs, waste, corruption, the unethical scumbag union leadership, and everything was beyond belief.

the management were generally pretty reasonable people

then the banks and government got involved with the union, and took things out of managements' hands

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This is one of the few cases where the opposite happened and the Union got ****ed while the government took the side of the corporation. This appears much more like an 1800s style Union bust than anything else.

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The original legislation issues I believe go back to the Obama administration in 2015. This is certainly, as other posters pointed out, a problem courtesy of the uniparty.

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The uniparty doesn't give a damn about average Americans, this should prove it to everyone.

I'm sure everyone noticed the water from the firefighting efforts is being disposed of in Harris County. 2 million gallons or so of contaminated water.

In Greece people might be accountable.

https://news.yahoo.com/head-train-crash-greece-kills-070213135.html

TEMPE, Greece (AP) Rescuers searched for survivors Wednesday in the mangled, burned-out wreckage of two trains that slammed into each other in northern Greece, killing at least 38 people and crumpling carriages into twisted steel knots in the country's worst-ever rail crash.

The impact just before midnight Tuesday threw some passengers into ceilings and out the windows as their train smashed head-on into a freight train.

"The glass in the windows shattered and fell on top of us," Stefanos Gogakos, who was riding in a rear carriage, told state broadcaster ERT. "My head hit the roof of the carriage with the jolt."
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis called the crash "a horrific rail accident without precedent in our country," and pledged a full, independent investigation.

The train from Athens to Thessaloniki was carrying 350 passengers, many of them students returning from raucous Carnival celebrations. It was not immediately clear what caused the collision. While the track is double, both trains were traveling in opposite directions on the same line near the Vale of Tempe, a river valley about 380 kilometers (235 miles) north of Athens.

"STATIONMASTER ARRESTED; MINISTER RESIGNS
Authorities arrested the stationmaster at the train's last stop, in the city of Larissa. They did not release the man's name or the reason for the arrest, but the stationmaster is responsible for rail traffic on that stretch of the tracks.

Transportation Minister Kostas Karamanlis resigned, saying he was stepping down "as a basic indication of respect for the memory of the people who died so unfairly."

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In Greece people might be accountable.

https://news.yahoo.com/head-train-crash-greece-kills-070213135.html

TEMPE, Greece (AP) Rescuers searched for survivors Wednesday in the mangled, burned-out wreckage of two trains that slammed into each other in northern Greece, killing at least 38 people and crumpling carriages into twisted steel knots in the country's worst-ever rail crash.

The impact just before midnight Tuesday threw some passengers into ceilings and out the windows as their train smashed head-on into a freight train.

"The glass in the windows shattered and fell on top of us," Stefanos Gogakos, who was riding in a rear carriage, told state broadcaster ERT. "My head hit the roof of the carriage with the jolt."
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis called the crash "a horrific rail accident without precedent in our country," and pledged a full, independent investigation.

The train from Athens to Thessaloniki was carrying 350 passengers, many of them students returning from raucous Carnival celebrations. It was not immediately clear what caused the collision. While the track is double, both trains were traveling in opposite directions on the same line near the Vale of Tempe, a river valley about 380 kilometers (235 miles) north of Athens.

"STATIONMASTER ARRESTED; MINISTER RESIGNS
Authorities arrested the stationmaster at the train's last stop, in the city of Larissa. They did not release the man's name or the reason for the arrest, but the stationmaster is responsible for rail traffic on that stretch of the tracks.

Transportation Minister Kostas Karamanlis resigned, saying he was stepping down "as a basic indication of respect for the memory of the people who died so unfairly."

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He clearly doesn't have the qualifications of our chest-feeding mayor

https://apnews.com/article/ohio-train-derailment-lawsuit-norfolk-southern-b5162c3a5d3eec681eaadfa4266ef5a6

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The federal government filed a lawsuit against railroad Norfolk Southern over environmental damage caused by a train derailment on the Ohio-Pennsylvania border that spilled hazardous chemicals into nearby creeks and rivers.

The U.S. Department of Justice said it's seeking to hold the company accountable for "unlawfully polluting the nation's waterways and to ensure it pays the full cost of the environmental cleanup," in the lawsuit filed Thursday.

It's asking for fines under the Clean Water Act and for a judgment to hold the railroad accountable for past and future costs.

The derailment in early February led to the evacuation of half of the 5,000 residents of East Palestine when responders intentionally burned toxic chemicals in some of the derailed cars to prevent an uncontrolled explosion.

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The very first thought out of my little Aggie brain was nothing good could come from the feds lawsuit against the railroad.

Both sides will spend a couple of million on court and attorneys fees, then the money (about 50% of the court decision) will never reach the people of East Palestine.

Just like Camp Lejeune, the establishment doesn't care about the victims of the incident. They just want to make sure that the fat cat lawyers who donate to them get a windfall.