Shoefly! said:

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Owlagdad said:

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Did the brakes cause the derail?

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Sounds like it burned a journal off, which is a large race bearing. When one of those go all hell breaks loose!

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Figures, race is always the issue.

Well played!

WaltonAg18 said:

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Quick question, if an axle issue is identified, how do you think the train is safely brought to a stop? Fairy dust and pixie magic?

Oh no hold on, it's a braking system first developed in the late 1800s. Sure is a crying shame that no newer technology has been developed since then.

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Ever see a nascar pileup? Now picture the cars being even closer and confined to a single lane. There just isn't time for a ******ing force to do enough work to change the outcome.

TLDR: Brakes don't mean **** in a catastrophic failure.

Your big govt love primes you to jump to "MORE REGULATIONS!" despite being completely ignorant of the nature of the disaster or the cost:benefit of the technology being addressed in regulation.

Your OP was bad and your follow up posts are bad and you should learn to post better so we can discuss known things rather than devolving into hypotheticals.

When a bearing goes, the type of brakes doesn't matter - be they air brakes (which were invented as a fail safe system and used commercially to this day), electric, hydraulic, or made from the wishes of the left. Thanks anyway OP, we all do appreciate you quoting big unions over and over - that tells us all how much we should pay attention to your post.

Unions don't care about safety - they care about money and political power. Anything that allows for more efficiency they are ALWAYS against. Anything that invites more regulation and leverage, they are for. The trick for the unions is how much to suck from the host without killing it, like the true parasites they are.

WaltonAg18 said:

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Quick question, if an axle issue is identified, how do you think the train is safely brought to a stop? Fairy dust and pixie magic?

Oh no hold on, it's a braking system first developed in the late 1800s. Sure is a crying shame that no newer technology has been developed since then.

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The braking system isn't the issue here; they misblocked the train and DIDN'T identify the wheelset issue. Negligence for sure, but the derailment wasn't result of them lobbying against an electric braking system.

Everyone look over here at aliens!!

A train derailment in Ohio is currently emitting massive amounts of carcinogenic compounds into the air, this alone would be enough to be interesting but it seems there is more to the story. Norfolk Southern seems to be operating hand in hand with the government in this area,… https://t.co/GE2PChlWco pic.twitter.com/WZyNGIYKYX

— Libertarian Party Mises Caucus (@LPMisesCaucus) February 12, 2023

For the last week, when I turn on the news, I see reporting about Santos, MTG screaming, and Trump attacking DeSantis. Not too much about this.

Dan Scott said:

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For the last week, when I turn on the news, I see reporting about Santos, MTG screaming, and Trump attacking DeSantis. Not too much about this.

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If the train experts say that the brakes wouldn't make a difference, I'll accept that my drunkenly posting to the contrary is irrelevant to the thread.

But you're right, nothing but coverage on balloons being shot down while irreparable harm is being done to this small down and the surrounding ecosystems.

My next question: I've seen the unions saying they lobbied unsuccessfully for safety standards preventing excess tonnage and increased levels of danger classification for hazardous precursors.

Would that not have changed the outcome for the better? Should we not prioritize the safety and well-being of the environment over profits?

Norfolk Southern said it would be too expensive to institute such standards, but what will be the cost to the government of the cleanup and disability pay?

Ol buttigieg will save the day

Southern Pacific had a derailment years ago that spilled hazardous materials into the Shasta River in California, the company and insurers picked up the tab. It damn near bankrupted the company but they made it through the emergency and the river, after 30-40 years has made it back from a chemical death.

Can't have no pipelines, though.

Shoefly! said:

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Southern Pacific had a derailment years ago that spilled hazardous materials into the Shasta River in California, the company and insurers picked up the tab. It damn near bankrupted the company but they made it through the emergency and the river, after 30-40 years has made it back from a chemical death.

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. From reading a bit on the final report, it appears that the chemical is used to sterilize agricultural land and the solution was to dilute it until it was no longer detectable at harmful levels (Dr. Peterson at A&M would always say "the solution to pollution is dilution").

The immediate difference that makes this derailment more dangerous is the volatility and reactivity of vinyl chloride in the presence of combustion and humidity.

I don't know when we'll get a response from the administration, but it looks like it'll just get memory-holed while we deal with the balloon invasion.

The Norfolk Will damn sure try to get it memory holed but I would say that this might stick around for quite awhile. I think it should. I wonder when the last time the journal box was checked on this tank car and the last time it went through a hot box detector on the rail?

That was my thought. They're are regularly spaced hot box detectors along main lines that scan the wheels/axles looking for bearing sets that are running hot. The cars are all RFID scanned so the system will flag the exact car.

I know this accident happened, but that's it. Was the train parked and broke free? Did it break in two while under way? Did this wheel truck catastrophically fail and cause the derai?

Wow, wouldn't have even known about this if not for this thread.

[Enough with the unfounded conspiracy theories. Continue and draw a ban -- Staff]

I don't think it's unfounded to question why such a serious issue is receiving little media attention from any major outlets.

Searching "Norfolk Southern news" brings up:

one article from Fox Business 2 days ago (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ohio-mayor-norfolk-southern-train-derailment-hold-feet-fire.amp)

One article from CBS earlier today
(https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pittsburgh/news/epa-could-hold-norfolk-southern-liable-for-east-palestine-train-derailment/)

One article from WaPo, also posted today.
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/12/east-palestine-ohio-derailment-residents/)

No CNN, no CBS, no GMA, etc etc etc., when this derailment happened on Feb. 3rd, all the major news is coming from amateur journalists and local papers. How is looking at their funding a conspiracy theory

Not only is there a serious media blackout, a journalist was arrested while reporting on the scene live. Hopefully posting this doesn't earn me a ban, but I think this is important to share.

I wasn’t going to watch this. But it is important to show. My colleague was trying to do his job. This video shows Ohio’s commander of the National Guard, Adjutant General Maj. Gen. John C. Harris Jr., shove my colleague. Escalating the situation. @NationalGuard @NewsNation pic.twitter.com/CW3ldxbGZL

— Kellie Meyer (@KellieMeyerNews) February 10, 2023

Ohio: Dead fish and cattle being reported as far as 100 miles away from the site.

Journalists covering the story have been arrested.

What the HELL is going on? pic.twitter.com/IWfLutoaRo

— Stew Peters (@realstewpeters) February 12, 2023

Correct

What did "the socialist" say in that post that you disagreed with?

Where is out transportation secretary speaking about this event??

This is insane clown world!

jt2hunt said:

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Where is out transportation secretary speaking about this event??

This is insane clown world!

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Oh he's been making the media circuit, but curiously no one brought up the derailment.

Pete Buttigieg was on three Sunday shows last week and didn’t get a single question about the Norfolk Southern derailment in Ohio, because none of those shows covered it all. They all had Pete on to preview Biden’s State of the Union speech instead https://t.co/HrbKaXfJse

— Andrew Perez (@andrewperezdc) February 12, 2023

That's a good read by the "Lever"! I remember when the Railroads were pushing for the new Electronic System, and they thought they could get the congress to pay for it. That's what it boils down to, who's going to ante up for the new braking system.

If, IF, the US was experiencing Hacking by a hostile enemy with whom we're waging a proxy war...and if, IF, that Hacking resulted in sabotage of, say, food processing plants, air traffic control systems, refineries and/or train derailments...would the government ask news outlets to cooperate in keeping the news all on the down-low?

If anyone is unhappy with the fact that, these days, my mind heads right to conspiracy theories; they have only the proven liars in the government and their co-conspirators in the media to blame.

The really confusing thing is why aren't the republicans jumping on this story? It's the perfect chance to talk about the inadequacies of our transportation secretary and the administration as a whole, but even they have chosen not to speak out about it. The entire situation is very off.

It doesn't take any imagination at all to think that maybe the progressives that dominate the bureaucracy might have taken the position that it's better for The Party to quietly assert (ie 'lie') inside the Beltway that this derailment is a result of a Russian attack, rather than have a future Democrat presidential candidate look remotely responsible for any of this....

Obviously I have no knowledge of what's really going on, except to say that the lying Liars are definitely lying to us. Again. Thats just what they do.

Enjoy the bread and circus, and keep your mouths shut.

WaltonAg18 said:

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The really confusing thing is why aren't the republicans jumping on this story? It's the perfect chance to talk about the inadequacies of our transportation secretary and the administration as a whole, but even they have chosen not to speak out about it. The entire situation is very off.

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We've been trying to tell you guys for years that it's a uniparty but none of you would accept it. This is another example of exactly what we are speaking about.

While I don't think this is as bad as what people think it is, it's still bad and should be bigger news.

There is No way in hell I'm moving my family back into a home in that town. I'd have to find another town.

Shoefly! said:

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There is No way in hell I'm moving my family back into a home in that town. I'd have to find another town.

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I've been following a guy who lives a mile from the tracks.

Press arrested. Local families being offered 1k by railroad if they agree to not sue.

Smell of the vinyl chloride drill in air. Especially near water.

His brother works for the fire department and both DHS and EPA have made the firefighters sign NDAs about what they know has happened.

Whole thing stinks. F Biden.

Shoefly! said:

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That's a good read by the "Lever"! I remember when the Railroads were pushing for the new Electronic System, and they thought they could get the congress to pay for it. That's what it boils down to, who's going to ante up for the new braking system.

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What portion of our Ukraine budget would it take to cover the retrofit? Guessing it would be a fraction of what this episode will cost.

3 additional chemicals discovered on East Palestine train derailment

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"We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open," said Silverado Caggiano, a hazardous materials specialist.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency sent a letter to Norfolk Southern stating that ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene were also in the rail cars that were derailed, breached and/or on fire.

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Video shows sparks and flames 20 miles before train derailment in East Palestine

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"The crew did receive an alarm from a wayside detector shortly before the derailment indicating a mechanical issue," [Michael] Graham[, a member of the NTSB] said. "Then an emergency brake application initiated."

The NTBS says there was an alert, but it is not known if it came from the hot box detector in Salem or the next one down the track 20 miles away in East Palestine.

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See above for hotbox and article.

From the article, it appears there were sparks and/or fire coming from the train 20 miles from its derailment, the crew was alerted, applied emergency brakes, derailment.

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"We have obtained two videos which show preliminary indications of mechanical issues on one of the rail car axles," said Michael Graham, a member of the NTSB.

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