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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Why are people with one white parent and one black always classified as black ?

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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My point was the mob is wanting to box him into a demographic with which he has little in common.

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But he WASN'T rich and privileged. He was upper middle class.

It IS a big distinction...

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Who is Doug Williams?

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A black backup QB who came in midway through the season for the hurt starting QB Mark Rypien (white) and handed the ball off to a white running back named John Riggins a thousand times to a Super Bowl win. That Redskins team was going to win the SB regardless who was the QB that year. They were unstoppable.

The following year Williams tanked and his career was over. Cat was just in the right place at the right time to get the cred. Wasn't that great in Tampa Bay where his career started.

Two half black QBs have won SB's since - Pat Mahomes and Russell Wilson. A 100% black QB has never QB'd an NFL team from start to finish and won a SB.

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"handed the ball off a thousand times?"

LOL I haven't looked it up but didn't he throw five TD passes in that Super Bowl?

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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Also related... Warren Moon had to spend five years in the CFL before he could even get a shot.

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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Thank you for posting that. Learned something today. This "one drop rule" was created and implemented by democrats. This doesn't surprise me they, like the third reich, they want a pure blooded white world.

It surprises me that so many black Americans still vote for democrats. I mean with the enslaved labor, to KKK, to generational welfare, and come to find out the One Drop Rule. How could any one culture be so brain washed? Just don't make no darn sense.

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Nobody tell ESPN that both head coaches i.e. the guys who pull all the QB strings when they're playing (Reid and Sirianni) are WHITE or all hell will break loose.

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The owners are as white as can be

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Owners of what???

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Nobody tell ESPN that both head coaches i.e. the guys who pull all the QB strings when they're playing (Reid and Sirianni) are WHITE or all hell will break loose.

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The owners are as white as can be

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Owners of what???

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Team owners

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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Thank you for posting that. Learned something today. This "one drop rule" was created and implemented by democrats. This doesn't surprise me they, like the third reich, they want a pure blooded white world.

It surprises me that so many black Americans still vote for democrats. I mean with the enslaved labor, to KKK, to generational welfare, and come to find out the One Drop Rule. How could any one culture be so brain washed? Just don't make no darn sense.

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I'll be honest... it was implemented by white people. I think y'all try to make political party distinctions in cases like this so as to retroactively absolve yourselves / your ancestors. I think it's hilarious. Not to mention the well-documented party flip that happened in the middle of last century. But you know that...

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Not to mention the well-documented party flip that happened in the middle of last century.

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Please provide that documentation!

(It's an urban legend)

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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Thank you for posting that. Learned something today. This "one drop rule" was created and implemented by democrats. This doesn't surprise me they, like the third reich, they want a pure blooded white world.

It surprises me that so many black Americans still vote for democrats. I mean with the enslaved labor, to KKK, to generational welfare, and come to find out the One Drop Rule. How could any one culture be so brain washed? Just don't make no darn sense.

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I'll be honest... it was implemented by white people. I think y'all try to make political party distinctions in cases like this so as to retroactively absolve yourselves / your ancestors. I think it's hilarious. Not to mention the well-documented party flip that happened in the middle of last century. But you know that...

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I don't have anything to absolve myself from related to this topic.

And there was no party flip in the middle of the last century. You have bought into the lie.

[Bye. -Staff]

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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Thank you for posting that. Learned something today. This "one drop rule" was created and implemented by democrats. This doesn't surprise me they, like the third reich, they want a pure blooded white world.

It surprises me that so many black Americans still vote for democrats. I mean with the enslaved labor, to KKK, to generational welfare, and come to find out the One Drop Rule. How could any one culture be so brain washed? Just don't make no darn sense.

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I'll be honest... it was implemented by white people. I think y'all try to make political party distinctions in cases like this so as to retroactively absolve yourselves .

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I didn't do s*** so I don't need to absolve myself for anything. Keep playing the victim game.

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I think it's hilarious. Not to mention the well-documented party flip that happened in the middle of last century. But you know that...

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I know this myth has been debunked time and time again. I can't help it if you don't know how to read.

So if 1 parent is "white" and 1 is "black", then the kid is "black"? How much white can you have but still be black?

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So if 1 parent is "white" and 1 is "black", then the kid is "black"? How much white can you have but still be black?

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Again, this is a holdover of the one-drop rule unfortunately. Thankfully we now we don't see it that way but it takes time to change attitudes.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Mahomes (2x MVP), Lamar Jackson(MVP), and Kyler have faced criticism earlier this season as it pertains to stereotypes still being a thing in the NFL. Can't remember if it was Kylers situation that led them all to speaking o it and how it's still in play. I mean even Lamar Jackson still had the stereotypical can't play qb needs to be wr or rb coming out. The good ole boys of the NFL seemingly will never let the go away even if means drafting guys who have no business playing in the nfl

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Didn't occur to me at all that this happened and I think that's the sign of real progress, Dougie. Black QBs are so common that the only people that it give any thought are caught up in decades old mindsets. Who's the racist, the guy (me) that doesn't even realize two black qbs are playing in the SB, or the guy who is rooting for a team to make the SB because the qb is black? By extension, he is rooting against the white qb because he is not black.

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Ditto. I hadn't even thought about this.

Wish the left would stop thinking about it.

Country would be so much better.

I saw burnt orange's comment about "absolving" ourselves. That implies some sort of original offense "we" committed. By being born, apparently, although TBF he is no longer here to defend that statement.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Mahomes (2x MVP), Lamar Jackson(MVP), and Kyler have faced criticism earlier this season as it pertains to stereotypes still being a thing in the NFL. Can't remember if it was Kylers situation that led them all to speaking o it and how it's still in play. I mean even Lamar Jackson still had the stereotypical can't play qb needs to be wr or rb coming out. The good ole boys of the NFL seemingly will never let the go away even if means drafting guys who have no business playing in the nfl

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Par for the course with you

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Remember growing up being told we want to get to a point where we are a color blind society?

We were lied to.

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Color blind society...

Metric system standard...

Coming Ice Age...

Rock group "The Who" Final Tour...

Peak oil...

Yeah, they told some whoppers alright

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Now do two black kickers or two black punters.

They are relevant as well....kickers are peeps too!

Can't wait till we get to say, first time since forever that there is a an all white WR group.

What about all Asian OL....possibility??

Didn't care that they were black, both performed very well this season (yes, it is all about entertainment) and deserve the chance to fight for the championship.

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Sorry but ultimately NFL and football in general kickers and punters are not as relevant as the QB position factually speaking. Not saying as human beings but as players in a sport for entertainment that's certainly the case. Them being the first 2 starting black qbs isn't a personal opinion that is being presented as something to care or not care about. Just the facts of the matter.

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As the Chiefs got into the Super Bowl on a last second field goal.

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Now do two black kickers or two black punters.

They are relevant as well....kickers are peeps too!

Can't wait till we get to say, first time since forever that there is a an all white WR group.

What about all Asian OL....possibility??

Didn't care that they were black, both performed very well this season (yes, it is all about entertainment) and deserve the chance to fight for the championship.

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Sorry but ultimately NFL and football in general kickers and punters are not as relevant as the QB position factually speaking. Not saying as human beings but as players in a sport for entertainment that's certainly the case. Them being the first 2 starting black qbs isn't a personal opinion that is being presented as something to care or not care about. Just the facts of the matter.

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Doesn't make the position more relevant than the qb position. No credible football mind would attempt to argue that.

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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Thank you for posting that. Learned something today. This "one drop rule" was created and implemented by democrats. This doesn't surprise me they, like the third reich, they want a pure blooded white world.

It surprises me that so many black Americans still vote for democrats. I mean with the enslaved labor, to KKK, to generational welfare, and come to find out the One Drop Rule. How could any one culture be so brain washed? Just don't make no darn sense.

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I used to work for a guy who grew up in South Central Los Angeles.
He referred to it as "The Slave Mentality".

As soon as any one Black person rises above the group, the rest want to drag them back down up to and including killing them.
The easy thing to do is to stick with the group.

On the other side of the coin...

When I lived in Australia, one thing that was fascinating about their culture is that they have a super racist history but, there are no hyphenated-Australians. There aren't separate rules based on whatever demographic group you happen to be a part of.

Point here is that the more we reward the division by demographic groups, the more of it we get.

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Now do two black kickers or two black punters.

They are relevant as well....kickers are peeps too!

Can't wait till we get to say, first time since forever that there is a an all white WR group.

What about all Asian OL....possibility??

Didn't care that they were black, both performed very well this season (yes, it is all about entertainment) and deserve the chance to fight for the championship.

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Sorry but ultimately NFL and football in general kickers and punters are not as relevant as the QB position factually speaking. Not saying as human beings but as players in a sport for entertainment that's certainly the case. Them being the first 2 starting black qbs isn't a personal opinion that is being presented as something to care or not care about. Just the facts of the matter.

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Doesn't make the position more relevant than the qb position. No credible football mind would attempt to argue that.

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Never said I was a credible football mind. After all, I follow A&M.

But, time and time again, the kicker winds up being pretty dad gum important.

Surprisingly - related to this thread - there doesn't seem to be anybody clamoring for a Black kicker.

Your dramatically under selling his performance in the Super Bowl:

Williams, who was named the Super Bowl MVP, completed 18 of 29 passes for a Super Bowl record 340 yards and four touchdowns, with one interception.

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So if 1 parent is "white" and 1 is "black", then the kid is "black"? How much white can you have but still be black?

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If your dad is Jamaican, your mom is Indian, you go to HS in Canada then attend an HBCU and join a sorority, you're good.

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I saw burnt orange's comment about "absolving" ourselves. That implies some sort of original offense "we" committed. By being born, apparently, although TBF he is no longer here to defend that statement.

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Original Sin

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Mahomes (2x MVP), Lamar Jackson(MVP), and Kyler have faced criticism earlier this season as it pertains to stereotypes still being a thing in the NFL. Can't remember if it was Kylers situation that led them all to speaking o it and how it's still in play. I mean even Lamar Jackson still had the stereotypical can't play qb needs to be wr or rb coming out. The good ole boys of the NFL seemingly will never let the go away even if means drafting guys who have no business playing in the nfl

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If you've never watched it, I strongly recommend you watch Coach Jason Brown breakdown what's what with respect to QB Play in college and the NFL. Very informative.

Best part - JB is from Compton.
https://www.youtube.com/@CoachJB/videos

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Not that I think it's huge deal that this is the first Super Bowl with two starting QBs that are black; but I can understand why it is a big deal to Doug Williams.

When he was coming up, it was a common belief that black players were not smart enough to play QB. Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek?

That dude lived through quite bit of racism in football in his life. The vast majority of what he experienced as a black QB is long gone; but I'm sure not forgotten by him.

Not sure why ESPN made a huge deal about it. But I get why Doug Williams did.

And his performance in the Super Bowl for the Redskins was one for the ages!

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This is a good point. Williams spent years fighting racist stereotypes about black men in leadership positions. If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger". I didn't fully appreciate his point of view in my first response to this thread. It's been decades, but for him it will probably always be lingering.

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True enough, and that's fair. Not sure why ESPN makes a big deal out it, though. It was going to happen in the near future regardless.

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Mahomes (2x MVP), Lamar Jackson(MVP), and Kyler have faced criticism earlier this season as it pertains to stereotypes still being a thing in the NFL. Can't remember if it was Kylers situation that led them all to speaking o it and how it's still in play. I mean even Lamar Jackson still had the stereotypical can't play qb needs to be wr or rb coming out. The good ole boys of the NFL seemingly will never let the go away even if means drafting guys who have no business playing in the nfl

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If you're close to my age (mid-50s) you probably heard the slur "you can't win with a ****er at the trigger"

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Late 60s, never heard it, but then I'm not into pro football

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the well-documented party flip that happened in the middle of last century. But you know that...

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The flip that never happened. It's a myth.

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Why are people with one white parent and one black always classified as black ?

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Because of the legacy and racist history of the "one-drop rule" which was used to discriminate against anyone who wasn't considered to be of pure blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

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And conservatives have ignored that rule for 70 years, while leftists hold onto it.

I propose a Rooney Rule that a team has to document a tryout of MLB'/CB's/Safeties that u must tryout 2white players. That's fair, right???

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You can't really believe that owners would intentionally draft lesser talent because of racism.

Are you trolling or this ignorant?