In my opinion, Dailywire is Greg Abbott and Crowder is Ron Desantis. As seen in the midterm elections, both are effective but in different ways. Both media platforms are vital to the conservative movement. It is really sad that these two media entities are attacking each other instead of the Left/Liberals/Marxist/Democrats with a recession looming, crime skyrocketing because of Soros DA and judges, inflation, merit and equality being destroyed in the name of equity, climate change cult regulations, and a man with dementia who will be 82 during the next election talking about how he is going to take away law abiding citizen's right to self defense.

Did you even watch it?

I don't like circular firing squads.

OP posted a 2 hour YouTube clip and expected us to watch it?

With no cliff notes?

C'mon do u even F16?

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OP posted a 2 hour YouTube clip and expected us to watch it?

With no cliff notes?

C'mon do u even F16?

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I watched all of it. Barnes and Rekieta are discussing media contracts and the way certain clauses sound in theory but then how they end up working within the real world of business.

Not that far from expected given how Hollywood "accounting" processes work on back end deals, same with music deals wherein producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter.

DW put forward terms that favored them and protected against downside loss of revenue. They weren't bringing in Crowder to be an owner or board member. They were paying him $50M to produce monetizeable content for 4 years that they would then own.

These guys all act like DW should have disregarded their stakeholders and given Crowder a sweetheart guaranteed deal, bc that's what real friends do.

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DW put forward terms that favored them and protected against downside loss of revenue. They weren't bringing in Crowder to be an owner or board member. They were paying him $50M to produce monetizeable content for 4 years that they would then own.

These guys all act like DW should have disregarded their stakeholders and given Crowder a sweetheart guaranteed deal, bc that's what real friends do.

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That's being overly simplistic, don't you think?

Not at all....more of a summary. These guys are independent content creators with a clear bias towards Crowder.

In this 2 hr+ run down they skipped over Crowder surreptitiously recording and dropping soundbites to shape a heroic narrative. Any reasonable analysis would spend at least 10 min discussing that part.

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Not at all....more of a summary. These guys are independent content creators with a clear bias towards Crowder.

In this 2 hr+ run down they skipped over Crowder surreptitiously recording and dropping soundbites to shape a heroic narrative. Any reasonable analysis would spend at least 10 min discussing that part.

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Gee, I never realized that artists and the businesses that try to get them under contract have competing interests. Thank you soooooooooo much for explaining that to me./sarc in case you are clueless

OP claimed this was "excellent behind scenes info".

I'm just pointing out it was very one sided against DW...leaving out the most newsworthy part where Crowder recorded a phone call to play hero for little guy.

But glad you enjoyed the 2hr DW bashfest!

So what?

They are all whiny men. And crowder is a *****.

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same with music deals wherein producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter.

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So what if "producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter." You say that like it's wrong. What about all the talent that flops? What about all the other costs to do business and turn a profit?

Real easy for people like you to cherry pick this deal, musicians that blow up, or Chappelle's deal with Comedy Central, and demonize the companies....while ignoring the rest of their book.

If this DW deal structure was so horrible for Crowder and little conservatives, surely we will see them all sign better deals soon!

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same with music deals wherein producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter.

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So what if "producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter." You say that like it's wrong. What about all the talent that flops? What about all the other costs to do business and turn a profit?

Real easy for people like you to cherry pick this deal, musicians that blow up, or Chappelle's deal with Comedy Central, and demonize the companies....while ignoring the rest of their book.

If this DW deal structure was so horrible for Crowder and little conservatives, surely we will see them all sign better deals soon!

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You are too young to even debate this.

Yeah Im probably too young. Because unlike you, I don't think companies are out to hoodwink talent with "Hollywood accounting" and "backend deals" to steal their content. Nor do I think this was a predatory deal to hamstring Crowder.

The DW made a strong initial offer, likely better than most of the other DW final signed deals.

But you don't have to listen to me or guys in the OP. The DW pretty much made the whole contract public, exposing several of Crowder's unfounded claims.

Maybe im missing something... but if you don't like the offer then walk? Why is this even something either side is whining about.

Also, Who gives a flying .... I certainly don't care enough to watch a 2hr video about it, hell I barely made it through a 20s short.

Bunch drama babies, need to get in business with the Kardashians.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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OP posted a 2 hour YouTube clip and expected us to watch it?

With no cliff notes?

C'mon do u even F16?

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I watched all of it. Barnes and Rekieta are discussing media contracts and the way certain clauses sound in theory but then how they end up working within the real world of business.

Not that far from expected given how Hollywood "accounting" processes work on back end deals, same with music deals wherein producers sign talent but own all of their songs thereafter.

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Super long thread on all this already.

The main point is this was an initial offer sheet meant to start a discussion. They were a LONG way from a real contract. These guys lost me when they literally contradicted themselves on that in the first few minutes. Crowder gave them a big number to guarantee and not a lot of details so they gave him an offer sheet that had a lot of protections in it. No one was forcing him to do a deal with them, they just made an offer they knew they could work with on limited information expecting a protracted negotiation.

The Peterson video where his daughter discussed how they went through a negotiation that lasted months and red lined a LOT of clauses gives a lot better perspective. This deal with Crowder if it were ever to happen would have been just as complicated because he had a lot of independence and unique value similar to Peterson.

The larger point though is there was no way that Crowder was justified in going public and recording DW when they were friends. DW did a LOT for Crowder including meeting with the Youtube CEO and and advocating for him. Right in the middle of all of this Crowder appeared on the DW Election Night special. Even the conversation he recorded was a very personal one first where they discussed family and kids.

DW is a business, they make no bones about that. Crowder is just a crap human and he's going to have a hell of a time getting anyone to trust him in business again.

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DW is a business, they make no bones about that. Crowder is just a crap human and he's going to have a hell of a time getting anyone to trust him in business again.

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Well they need some content creators?

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DW is a business, they make no bones about that. Crowder is just a crap human and he's going to have a hell of a time getting anyone to trust him in business again.

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Well they need some content creators?

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And Crowder apparently needs a production company...even though he produces his own show... or something. Honestly, I have no idea why SC even approached DW since he's such a slam dunk 30MM/year guaranteed money maker. Oh right... he was never going to work with them. That's why he registered the stopbigcon domain name a month before he called to record DW.

Dude is trash and people defending him make no sense. SC isn't owed anything by anyone. DW made an offer. He didn't like it. Boo f'in hoo. That this is a story is ridiculous.

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DW is a business, they make no bones about that. Crowder is just a crap human and he's going to have a hell of a time getting anyone to trust him in business again.

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Well they need some content creators?

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Sure, and they have some of the best in the business working there and are continuing to grow. Crowder would be a nice add but DW is just fine.