President Trump is in a no-win position regarding the 2024 Nomination… A little transparency… I would vote for The Donald against ANY D…

However…

1. Roughly 50+% of the nation either despises him, or thinks that maybe his time has passed…

2. (Conjecture) A great number of the people who support him, really only support him because they think he got SCREWED in 2020..

3. Anyone supporting President Trump would equally support DeSantis against a Dem… Plus a great deal of voters would support DeSantis and not Trump…

4. Trump is a street fighter… If Trump were to create a negative campaign against DeSantis in a primary, it would look totally self-serving, and wouldn't be perceived as anything else…

5. DeSantis can take the "high ground" regarding Trump, thanking him for the MAGA "roadmap"…
Trump can't do that with DeSantis… He'd get trounced, playing nice…

As much as I support him and appreciate President Trump's non-swamp attitude. It's over for him…

My 2 cents… Now… Get off my lawn !!!

by conjecture do you mean your crazy bs?

Evidently…

We are the ones in a no-win situation.

Trump runs and rips DeSantis apart in the primary (not good).
Then, after Trump loses the nomination, he runs as an independent and guarantees a Democrat victory.

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Trump Running in 2024 Guarantees a DeSantis Democratic Victory…

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FIFY

maroonthrunthru said:

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President Trump is in a no-win position regarding the 2024 Nomination… A little transparency… I would vote for The Donald against ANY D…

However…

1. Roughly 50+% of the nation either despises him, or thinks that maybe his time has passed…

2. (Conjecture) A great number of the people who support him, really only support him because they think he got SCREWED in 2020..

3. Anyone supporting President Trump would equally support DeSantis against a Dem… Plus a great deal of voters would support DeSantis and not Trump…

4. Trump is a street fighter… If Trump were to create a negative campaign against DeSantis in a primary, it would look totally self-serving, and wouldn't be perceived as anything else…

5. DeSantis can take the "high ground" regarding Trump, thanking him for the MAGA "roadmap"…
Trump can't do that with DeSantis… He'd get trounced, playing nice…

As much as I support him and appreciate President Trump's non-swamp attitude. It's over for him…

My 2 cents… Now… Get off my lawn !!!

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I think this is very well reasoned in your arguments

the only thing that changes the equation is if the GOP has so many idiots running that they split the anti-Trump vote

also the leftists are DEFINITELY going to be crossing over and voting for Trump in the primaries knowing they can beat him easily in the general election

Rydyn said:

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We are the ones in a no-win situation.

Trump runs and rips DeSantis apart in the primary (not good).
Then, after Trump loses the nomination, he runs as an independent and guarantees a Democrat victory.

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if DeSantis beats him in the primaries

I don't see egotistical Trump deciding to spend millions of his own money just to lose 50 states and be a total loser in history

I don't think President Trump would run as an Independent (More Conjecture, Mookie)…

He realizes it would be viewed as a total cluster-ego move… I don't think even HIS ego could drive that…

If he did, it would be because he saw $$$ signs…

That, I wouldn't be surprised to see…

Trump will win because he is the goat. Only way he loses the primary or the general is if Desantis or the dems cheat.

Trump will win the primary easily

Smartest thing for Desantis to do is either team up w Trump as VP (take over as president from 28-36), or hang back as governor of Florida & primary against whoever Trump's vp is in 28

Personally I think best scenario for all is Desantis to team up w Trump

Trump will get 40% of the primary vote, regardless of who else runs, it's up to the others if they want to consolidate around someone else.

Franklin Comes Alive! said:

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Trump will win the primary easily

Smartest thing for Desantis to do is either team up w Trump as VP (take over as president from 28-36), or hang back as governor of Florida & primary against whoever Trump's vp is in 28

Personally I think best scenario for all is Desantis to team up w Trump

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Yup. Nightmare scenario for the dems.

Desantis has not said he is running

And McConnell is running the establishment GOP
Nobody knows exactly what his play is at the moment.

Fine.
DeSantis it is! At this point, I don't think you will find many of us MAGA voters have NO ISSUE with a President DeSantis.

I feel the biggest roadblock to a Republican winning back the WH in 2024 is Trump. Trump still has a LOT of sycophants and if he wins the nomination, the GOP loses the WH. If we're smart we nominate DeSantis and I think we'll win regardless of who they run.

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Franklin Comes Alive! said:

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Trump will win the primary easily

Smartest thing for Desantis to do is either team up w Trump as VP (take over as president from 28-36), or hang back as governor of Florida & primary against whoever Trump's vp is in 28

Personally I think best scenario for all is Desantis to team up w Trump

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Yup. Nightmare scenario for the dems.

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There's no way DeSantis would partner with Trump. Political career suicide. Trump is poison at this point and I'm sure DeSantis recognizes that. If Trump is nominated, we'll lose again, and then DeSantis will at least have hope for the office in the future. If he's Trump's running mate that doesn't happen.

DeSantis won't be the VP for trump. It would be stupid on his part and DeSantis ain't stupid.

Trump will lose in the General and DeSantis isn't a loser.

DeSantis 2024

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Franklin Comes Alive! said:

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Trump will win the primary easily

Smartest thing for Desantis to do is either team up w Trump as VP (take over as president from 28-36), or hang back as governor of Florida & primary against whoever Trump's vp is in 28

Personally I think best scenario for all is Desantis to team up w Trump

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Yup. Nightmare scenario for the dems.

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Trump as the nominee is a dream scenario for the dems. He will lose to Biden or whoever they run again (bigly).

DeSantis is also not touching that loser with a 10 foot pole. Plus the only scenario where trump wins the primary is if too many other republicans run, just like in 2016. Hopefully they are smart enough to avoid that.

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Trump will win because he is the goat. Only way he loses the primary or the general is if Desantis or the dems cheat.

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The goat? Look I respect what he's done and put up with, but his foibles have now begun to define him (narcissism).

It's time for him to fade into the background.

Trump hasn't won three election in a row, he won't magically win in a 4th.

The democrats love trump supporters now.

definitely looks like Haley is running now based on her interview with Brett Baier last night

so that's good news for Trump and bad news for DeSantis

No mention of gays, so this rehash of the same subject over and over again will be allowed

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I feel the biggest roadblock to a Republican winning back the WH in 2024 is Trump. Trump still has a LOT of sycophants and if he wins the nomination, the GOP loses the WH. If we're smart we nominate DeSantis and I think we'll win regardless of who they run.

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The Republicans could nominate a JFK and it would not be a sure thing against the state run media, DNC, DC establishment, etc

The democrats have faced ZERO consequences for their election shenanigans- it will be even worse in 2024

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Trump will get 40% of the primary vote, regardless of who else runs, it's up to the others if they want to consolidate around someone else.

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I think this, too. It may be the one time I'll actually want Republicans to act "swampy" by coalescing around DeSantis to keep Trump from winning because too many Rs are in the mix.

The trickiest thing about this is to try to look forward and understand there are so many moves yet to happen. Most people are making assumptions based on how things are now or how they were last time.

For instance Trump won in '16 because he was able to get all his opponents to fight with each other and slowly build his own base. Cruz for instance was in a position to win but Rubio and Kasich divided the anti Trump vote and by the time they dropped out it was too late. I don't see that happening again, especially if you have DeSantis jump in. There are A LOT of Republicans that are tired of Trump even if they like him and appreciate him, they want something new.

Trump has a huge albatross around his neck btw and it's not the one many folks think of. He was and still is pro vax and he will always want to stand up and take credit for Operation Warp Speed. That's going to continue to be a problem for him.

Trump has a lot of energy but he is still pushing 80 and it's showing. He's not as in touch with the base as he was. He has his fiercely loyal supporters of course but he keeps losing support and he isn't gaining any. I am not sure how he gains as well.

Every poll that comes out showing DeSantis close with Trump or beating Trump chips away at one of Trump's strongest assets, the inevitability of him winning the nomination much less the General. That's beyond the massive baggage he has. It's a much bigger hill to climb than he or most of his supporters realize and anyone that says him winning is inevitable is hard for me to take seriously at this point.

The biggest obstacle and balancing act for DeSantis is not only does he need to beat Trump but he needs to do it in such a way that doesn't make him hostile. He needs to appeal to the deal maker within Trump for when the time comes and get that one thing that is so valuable that Trump has, his endorsement. DeSantis with Trump's endorsement is unbeatable but he can't personally insult him no matter what Trump says.

There is huge incentive for Trump to give that endorsement btw if losing the nomination is inevitable. Without it he has no real options. Can he run 3rrd Party? Sure, but he will lose badly and millions of conservatives will never forgive him for getting another Democrat elected. It will also be devastating for the political future of his family and closest allies as Trump will become persona non grata among the GOP. If he is willing to play ball though he has immense leverage to ask for just about anything he wants and he will be revered as the statesman and kingmaker. If he wants Don Jr to ever have a future he needs to make a deal for instance.

Still there are a lot of things that are going to happen in the next 16 months or so that will tell the tale and we have no idea what they are yet. Buckle up and I would recommend patience.

Great post

not sure how to get Haley to stay out other than offer her the VP for DeSantis and have her campaign in South Carolina

Ron should be on the phone with her today doing this.

this is a quality topic. question has anyone changed any of the election laws or closed the loopholes the democrats used to cheat?

if not republicans will not win whether it is desantis or trump. so many believe the only reason republicans lost to biden is because of trump. that is not the case THEY CHEATED. the media and those that dictate the narrative are misleading you. they absolutely fear trump.

that said i would vote for either. both are great. desantis is more polished.

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Great post

not sure how to get Haley to stay out other than offer her the VP for DeSantis and have her campaign in South Carolina

Ron should be on the phone with her today doing this.

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Not really. DeSantis is doing exactly what he should right now which is running Florida and introducing his policies there while occasionally commenting on national issues. His campaign is almost certainly going to be to replicate the Florida model nationwide and that's a great strategy.

Haley is just one of a few others that will bite at his ankles. No way can she compete with him. There are half a dozen or so that may run but DeSantis is so much stronger than any of them and they will be lucky to make it through New Hampshire. Haley has positives but she also has some big negatives, namely she is all in on Ukraine. Pompeo has the same problem. I do think DeSantis has a lot of jobs to offer but I also think the VP will go to a more MAGA type as part of the deal with Trump to get his endorsement, at least that would be the smart move. If DeSantis can get the hardcore Trump voters on his side he is unbeatable, anyone that is going to support Haley will already vote for DeSantis.

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this is a quality topic. question has anyone changed any of the election laws or closed the loopholes the democrats used to cheat?

if not republicans will not win whether it is desantis or trump. so many believe the only reason republicans lost to biden is because of trump. that is not the case THEY CHEATED. the media and those that dictate the narrative are misleading you. they absolutely fear trump.

that said i would vote for either. both are great. desantis is more polished.

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yes Georgia and Florida changed their voting process

notice how in 2022 EVERY Republican won statewide office in Georgia except for Trump's handpicked incompetent candidate in Herschel Walker

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Great post

not sure how to get Haley to stay out other than offer her the VP for DeSantis and have her campaign in South Carolina

Ron should be on the phone with her today doing this.

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Not really. DeSantis is doing exactly what he should right now which is running Florida and introducing his policies there while occasionally commenting on national issues. His campaign is almost certainly going to be to replicate the Florida model nationwide and that's a great strategy.

Haley is just one of a few others that will bite at his ankles. No way can she compete with him. There are half a dozen or so that may run but DeSantis is so much stronger than any of them and they will be lucky to make it through New Hampshire. Haley has positives but she also has some big negatives, namely she is all in on Ukraine. Pompeo has the same problem. I do think DeSantis has a lot of jobs to offer but I also think the VP will go to a more MAGA type as part of the deal with Trump to get his endorsement, at least that would be the smart move. If DeSantis can get the hardcore Trump voters on his side he is unbeatable, anyone that is going to support Haley will already vote for DeSantis.

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concur but you are paying short shrift to Iowa and New Hampshire and needing DeSantis to coalesce all the anti-Trump support he can to show he is a major challenger in the first two states

else we are right back to 2016

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LMCane said:

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Great post

not sure how to get Haley to stay out other than offer her the VP for DeSantis and have her campaign in South Carolina

Ron should be on the phone with her today doing this.

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Not really. DeSantis is doing exactly what he should right now which is running Florida and introducing his policies there while occasionally commenting on national issues. His campaign is almost certainly going to be to replicate the Florida model nationwide and that's a great strategy.

Haley is just one of a few others that will bite at his ankles. No way can she compete with him. There are half a dozen or so that may run but DeSantis is so much stronger than any of them and they will be lucky to make it through New Hampshire. Haley has positives but she also has some big negatives, namely she is all in on Ukraine. Pompeo has the same problem. I do think DeSantis has a lot of jobs to offer but I also think the VP will go to a more MAGA type as part of the deal with Trump to get his endorsement, at least that would be the smart move. If DeSantis can get the hardcore Trump voters on his side he is unbeatable, anyone that is going to support Haley will already vote for DeSantis.

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concur but you are paying short shrift to Iowa and New Hampshire and needing DeSantis to coalesce all the anti-Trump support he can to show he is a major challenger in the first two states

else we are right back to 2016

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Just don't see it. In 2016 you had a lot of fight on who was going to be the anti-Trump but everything is around DeSantis now. He's going to also have a MASSIVE amount of money compared to everyone else. It can change of course but this isn't anything like '16 and Trump isn't the flashy cool guy anymore either.

BTW, this is an interesting tidbit:

Dhillon: Multiple members of the RNC told me that [she said that] she’s (@GOPChairwoman) the only member of the RNC, the only candidate for Chair who can control Trump in the event he loses the primary. I found that shocking & extraordinary. @pnjaban pic.twitter.com/D2V6ScLEh3

— Grace Chong 🇺🇸 (@gc22gc) January 20, 2023

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We are the ones in a no-win situation.

Trump runs and rips DeSantis apart in the primary (not good).
Then, after Trump loses the nomination, he runs as an independent and guarantees a Democrat victory.

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These are why DeSantis won't run.

How is trump going to get on the ballot as independent after losing the Republican primaries?

Yep. Couldn't agree more. Lots can happen until November 2024, but the biggest factor is whether or not Trump's ego will allow him to endorse DeSantis.

Disagree with everyone so far. Trump has not gone on the offensive. He will display all key statistics from his administration versus Biden. Gas prices, inflation, unemployment (which BTW is only starting to ramp up - give it another year and see how high it goes), add in the corruption that continues to be exposed, and Trump will run away with the nomination. I like DeSantis, and could see him challenging whoever the VP candidate is (perhaps a Michael Flynn or a Stefanik), and we will see what happens in 2028. However, Trump fundraising is way out ahead of everyone, and he will not make the mistakes of trusting deep state folks any longer. He will win in a convincing landslide after all the corruption is exposed. Dems will do everything they can to make Twitter look like it can't be trusted, but that effort will fail and thr real stories of corruption will leak out just in time for 2024. The DNC and deep state don't want Biden running, which is why stuff is starting to come out exactly 2 years into his term. Expect Kamala to take over soon, and she is easily controllable by Obama and deep state.