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Tech is massively bloated from the Corona years. So is Amazon.

The only "huh" about this is that they waited till after the midterms to start the mass layoffs

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This too. That was a calculated, political move as everyone knows.

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In my industry, we've actually seen people be more productive working from home.

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Is that a feeling or large KPI deltas?

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I still prefer the office environment, but certainly can't knock the ones who are working from home.

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I do, especially when there is a substantial team collaboration component to a company's success in winning and completing jobs and those in the office are shouldering more of load than those who do not want to come in.

HEB HQ called their people back in December.
Valero never really left the office.
Those are two I know about.

In your architect world yall have deadlines and lots of grind it out work.
Lots of that grind out work yall can do at home and the more undisturbed, the better.
But you still visit job sites and meet with customers in person, right?
The proof will be when those in the office start beating their competitors who are still on this hybrid/WFH model.
Pre 2019 "building a great business culture" was part of successful teams.
How do you build a winning culture online where everyone is physically separated?
Is there a book you are reading on it?

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I have friends in a couple of large firms that, because of the increase in productivity, are allowing their employees to work as much or as little they want from home. We still have site visits that obviously can't be done from home. However, when it comes to permitting, there are some jurisdictions that force you to do everything online. You can't go see them in person.

Meeting with clients is a mixed bag. We have some that would rather do its much as possible through Zoom calls. Some are like myself and would rather talk face to face.

In the end, it depends on what an individual's role is and what their responsibilities are that determine how affective it is for them to work from home.

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I have friends in a couple of large firms that, because of the increase in productivity, are allowing their employees to work as much or as little they want from home.

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I wonder how long will this model remain before the sight unseen WFH workers becomes a 1099 worker instead of a W2 worker?

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Meeting with clients is a mixed bag. We have some that would rather do its much as possible through Zoom calls. Some are like myself and would rather talk face to face.

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Recently was on a call where some big-time salespeople worked in CA but live in UT and NV.
They travel to CA one a month for a five-day trip to see clients face to face.
This was fascinating.
You like face to face.
I like that too.
How long before the non-face to face groups become just another commodity since there is no personal connection?

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In the end, it depends on what an individual's role is and what their responsibilities are that determine how affective it is for them to work from home.

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True that.
As we are seeing with Musk, he wants a dynamic team together making big things happen and growing a "kick a$$ culture". If you can do that in a WFH environment, please publish the secret sauce. I just don't see that. In personal culture we see ghosting and sporadic production. That leaks into the work culture.

I really appreciate your candid and insightful posts on this matter.

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Maybe I'm too practical but if I am ushered into rooms like those? My first reaction would be, "How much more would you pay me if you didn't have this useless overhead?"

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That is not what Millennials and Gen Z want.
Gen X and Boomers think that, but when we started working we conformed to the job, now the jobs conform to the Millennials and Gen Z.
These are offices for tech workers.