Details of the McCarthy Concessions

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Since no one has really posted the actual agreements I will post what we know so far:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kevin-mccarthys-house-speaker-bid-heads-to-fourth-day-as-talks-continue-11673002595?st=jd93qvu7mfkw3jh&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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agreed to several demands in order to bring on board his opponents, including giving them more power to shape spending bills and roles on committees.
However....

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Asked earlier how he maneuvered the votes, Mr. McCarthy said no one was promised a specific position.
Framework:

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They include a commitment to voting on specific bills; tying spending cuts to a debt-ceiling increase; and a rules change that makes it easier to oust him as leader. He also agreed to add more members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus to key committees.
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lawmakers agreed to have spending cuts tied to any legislation regarding the debt ceiling, which Congress might need to raise later this year to avoid a default on the nation's debt. Democrats are adamant that they won't allow Republicans to pressure them into using the debt limit to cut federal programs.
Of particular note...and a pipedream:

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Part of the agreement calls for the House to pass a resolution outlining how it would balance the federal budget within a decade, said people familiar with the matter.

That could involve attempts to raise the eligibility age for such programs as Social Security and Medicare, as well as widespread cuts across other programs. Republicans aren't likely to back tax increases. In 2032, under current law, federal revenue is expected to be $6.7 trillion, and federal spending is expected to be $8.9 trillion, so balancing the budget with spending cuts alone would require eliminating more than $1 for every $4 the government is projected to spend.
Other stuff:

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Other people familiar with the matter said the deal would make it easier to amend legislation and how and when lawmakers vote on spending bills.

Negotiators also agreed to pass a bill that averts a government shutdown if Congress hasn't passed appropriations bills by the funding deadline through the enactment of a continuing resolution that cuts spending.

Mr. Perry has also said limiting earmarks, or funding for specific projects in member's districts, was being discussed.
What moved the G20 to finally vote in the affirmative:

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House Republicans who flipped their votes in favor of Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) said they had enough faith in the basic contours of an agreement with Mr. McCarthy and his allies to feel comfortable supporting the California Republican for speaker.

"We have the framework of an agreement that allows us to keep moving forward in good faith," said Rep. Scott Perry (R., Pa.), the House Freedom Caucus chairman and a key holdout in the bloc that had opposed Mr. McCarthy. But he went on to say that the deal was not final.

"It's not a secret deal," said Rep. Chip Roy (R., Texas), another key negotiator. "We're having conversations among a body to elect the Speaker of the House, and that will become readily apparent in the detail."
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Zephyr88 great summary

zephyr88 said:

Not the final list, but this was where they were before the first vote last night.

  • Any member can call for a motion to vacate the speaker's chair -- this is significant because it would make it much easier than it is currently to trigger what is effectively a no confidence vote in the speaker. Conservatives pushed hard for this, while moderates are worried it will weaken McCarthy's hand.
  • A McCarthy-aligned super PAC agreed to not play in open Republican primaries in safe seats.
  • The House will hold votes on key conservative bills, including a balanced budget amendment, congressional term limits and border security.
  • Efforts to raise the nation's debt ceiling must be paired with spending cuts. This could become a major issue in the future when it is time to raise the debt limit to avoid a catastrophic default because Democrats in the Senate and the White House would likely oppose demands for spending cuts.
  • Move 12 appropriations bills individually. Instead of passing separate bills to fund government operations, Congress frequently passes a massive year-end spending package known as an "omnibus" that rolls everything into one bill. Conservatives rail against this, arguing that it evades oversight and allows lawmakers to stick in extraneous pet projects.
  • More Freedom Caucus representation on committees, including the powerful House Rules Committee.
  • Cap discretionary spending at fiscal 2022 levels, which would amount to lower levels for defense and domestic programs.
  • Seventy-two hours to review bills before they come to floor.
  • Give members the ability to offer more amendments on the House floor.
  • Create an investigative committee to probe the "weaponization" of the federal government.
  • Restore the Holman rule, which can be used to reduce the salary of government officials.

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Thanks. I did not see that posted.
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He also agreed to add more members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus to key committees.

As predicted it was about the junior representatives grab for power.
Demosthenes81
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And the concessions will be like the GEICO commercial with Aunt Bonnie:

EXPIRED! EXPIRED! EXPIRED!

Sid Farkas
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Create an investigative committee to probe the "weaponization" of the federal government.


This is the big one. The political system will go full third world if we don't fix that.
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YouBet said:


Of particular note...and a pipedream:

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Part of the agreement calls for the House to pass a resolution outlining how it would balance the federal budget within a decade, said people familiar with the matter.


That plan will have the following details:

"To balance the budget, we plan to have revenues equal expenses by the year 2033."

Then they will increase federal spending like a bunch of drunken sailors. They will never balance the budget.

My plan to do so, within a decade, would work without doubt. Park a guillotine on a flatbed trailer near the capitol building. Each year that they do not cut the budget deficit by 10%, randomly select 10% of the members of Congress and introduce them to the flatbed trailer.
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Sid Farkas said:

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Create an investigative committee to probe the "weaponization" of the federal government.


This is the big one. The political system will go full third world if we don't fix that.
Already third world....since obama was elected. That POS weaponized the IRS and DoJ with Holder. What is happening now is just a continuation of what he started.
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Shocking how much the policy issues have shifted in the last 30 years.


That some of this would be framed as "far right" is really kind of scary.



richardag
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policywonk98 said:

Shocking how much the policy issues have shifted in the last 30 years.


That some of this would be framed as "far right" is really kind of scary.
Agreed. The Democratic Party leadership has seized control of many of the bureaucracies and with the aid of MSM and social media have continually outright lied about their policies and the effects of their policies.

Throw in corrupt insider financial trading, trading favoritism for political gain, blatant suppression of open discussion, seizure of power from the states by the federal government, nepotism(by both parties) we are heading into very dangerous times.

There are many events that have shaped this narrative but the suppression of the Biden Crime Family"s enterprises by the FBI, DOJ, CIA and others may be the single greatest fraud perpetrated by our government.

Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Politicians and "good faith" lol.
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Of particular note...and a pipedream:

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Part of the agreement calls for the House to pass a resolution outlining how it would balance the federal budget within a decade, said people familiar with the matter.

That could involve attempts to raise the eligibility age for such programs as Social Security and Medicare, as well as widespread cuts across other programs. Republicans aren't likely to back tax increases. In 2032, under current law, federal revenue is expected to be $6.7 trillion, and federal spending is expected to be $8.9 trillion, so balancing the budget with spending cuts alone would require eliminating more than $1 for every $4 the government is projected to spend.

That's a political loser unfortunately, even if it's the right thing to do.
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Balance the budget "within a decade".... try that decade crap at your home or business and let me know how it works.
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Any of the legislation is just show, nothing is getting through the Senate/President. Votes on that mean nothing.

The Amendments and oversight are huge though and means we will have some serious investigations going on. It also means debt ceiling and budget fights will be fun and we can expect shutdowns.
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Tom Doniphon said:

Balance the budget "within a decade".... try that decade crap at your home or business and let me know how it works.


Wouldn't surprise me at all if they are thinking about this like they do cost benefit analysis of all other legislation. They only run that analysis out to 10 years and then put a stake in the ground as if life and effects of legislation just stops at a rolling 10 year point after whatever bill was just passed.
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No. Murder is not the way to go.
Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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eric76 said:

No. Murder is not the way to go.


his response was pure hyperbole and you know this but i know your remark made you feel good so nice job buddy.

but if he were serious and he isn't, i bet it would work.
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

eric76 said:

No. Murder is not the way to go.


his response was pure hyperbole and you know this but i know your remark made you feel good so nice job buddy.

but if he were serious and he isn't, i bet it would work.


I don't want to kill anyone, but some kind of accountability would be AMAZING!!
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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

eric76 said:

No. Murder is not the way to go.


his response was pure hyperbole and you know this but i know your remark made you feel good so nice job buddy.

but if he were serious and he isn't, i bet it would work.
Sadly, these days there are people who would take that seriously. It's better to nip it in the bud sooner rather than later.
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jeremy said:

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

eric76 said:

No. Murder is not the way to go.


his response was pure hyperbole and you know this but i know your remark made you feel good so nice job buddy.

but if he were serious and he isn't, i bet it would work.


I don't want to kill anyone, but some kind of accountability would be AMAZING!!
Several years ago, I read about some town or city in which the city council members were personally responsible to pay for any deficits out of their own pockets.
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