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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

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At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

Rapier108 said:

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

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Horse*****

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Proper descriptor of the educational system. The natural end result of a socialized system.

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Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students.

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I have a friend over on the left coast that teaches at one of the big highly thought of institutions. I was told that "they" would be holding out the rest of their short days in the terrible system and will retire as soon as possible.

The woke mind virus is so bad, and the accusations fly around all the time about woke topics in an effort to pull down the requirements. The kids all pass or are given grades. If they complain it comes back as one of the woke reasons. Racism, patriarchy and other nonsense as to why the test questions or assignments are too hard.

Very few have the functional skills to write a real research paper or do the work required to pass real classes. It is a real mess.

That's the quality of the rebuttal I'd expect from a lefty.

1. Hard times create strong men
2. Strong men create good times
3. Good times create weak men
4. Weak men create hard times

We're in between phases 3 and 4.

Buckle up buttercup, it's going to be a rough ride for awhile.

Maybe "students" should put attending class and studying before organizing/protesting ... they would get somewhere with a marketable degree... be in demand by employers!

Rocket science? Not really.

In the 1990s, one math prof told me that they had to really dumb down the classes so that the students could pass. He said that even in grad school, the classes had to spend far more time on problem solving than on abstract theory.

And, of course, that will perpetuate the cycle since the future profs will be think that their education was normal.

Getting to where "college graduate" will hurt the marketability of a resume.

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That's the quality of the rebuttal I'd expect from a lefty.

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Until you can point to a specific "lefty" policy I support, keep me out of your replies.

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

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Horse*****

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Useless reply is useless. Do you disagree with the article or the meme? Whichever it is please explain. The data in the OP backs up what we've seen for a decade or more even at formerly conservative schools like A&M. Woke is destroying higher Ed.

So again which do you disagree with?

LOYAL AG said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

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Horse*****

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Useless reply is useless. Do you disagree with the article or the meme? Whichever it is please explain. The data in the OP backs up what we've seen for a decade or more even at formerly conservative schools like A&M. Woke is destroying higher Ed.

So again which do you disagree with?

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The K-12 stuff is the exception, not the rule. Or at least that is the case in most Texas schools. College is when kids rebel. I have a hard time believing that half of college students identify as gay.

The issue isn't that high schools are failing student, although many are. The issue is that too many kids are trying to go to college. I would imagine that there are still plenty of students who can handle the rigor of college at the same level we or others before us had but we've allowed too many students think they can attend a four year college right out of the gate.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Rapier108 said:

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That's the quality of the rebuttal I'd expect from a lefty.

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Until you can point to a specific "lefty" policy I support, keep me out of your replies.

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It would be a much shorter list to provide those you don't.

Also, if you think it is horse****, please provide data for a counter argument.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

---

https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

---

Horse*****

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Useless reply is useless. Do you disagree with the article or the meme? Whichever it is please explain. The data in the OP backs up what we've seen for a decade or more even at formerly conservative schools like A&M. Woke is destroying higher Ed.

So again which do you disagree with?

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The K-12 stuff is the exception, not the rule. Or at least that is the case in most Texas schools. College is when kids rebel. I have a hard time believing that half of college students identify as gay.

The issue isn't that high schools are failing student, although many are. The issue is that too many kids are trying to go to college. I would imagine that there are still plenty of students who can handle the rigor of college at the same level we or others before us had but we've allowed too many students think they can attend a four year college right out of the gate.

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There are a million videos of college students not being able to answer the simplest of questions about a variety of things. The one recently posted, the students didn't know when the world wars were and who attacked Pearl Harbor. One girl just walked away in defeat. Just complete dumbasses. They do know the dem talking points though.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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LOYAL AG said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

---

https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

---

Horse*****

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Useless reply is useless. Do you disagree with the article or the meme? Whichever it is please explain. The data in the OP backs up what we've seen for a decade or more even at formerly conservative schools like A&M. Woke is destroying higher Ed.

So again which do you disagree with?

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The K-12 stuff is the exception, not the rule. Or at least that is the case in most Texas schools. College is when kids rebel. I have a hard time believing that half of college students identify as gay.

The issue isn't that high schools are failing student, although many are. The issue is that too many kids are trying to go to college. I would imagine that there are still plenty of students who can handle the rigor of college at the same level we or others before us had but we've allowed too many students think they can attend a four year college right out of the gate.

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Ok that's a useful response, thank you.

I would have agreed with you on the K-12 point a decade ago but today you're just wrong. I don't know a single teacher that thinks kids are learning at an acceptable pace. It was bad before Covid and it's much worse now. And yes we know a lot of them. Mrs LOYAL AG quit teaching less than two years ago and four years before retirement because she was so disappointed in how bad things had gotten. Public Ed is a complete failure. We're in CS so this isn't about big city problems.

It's difficult to know how many college kids actually identify as gay but frankly that's not an issue I care a lot about. The racism that's rampant on college campuses does bother me and we've seen numerous reports in recent years about segregated facilities and events and classes. It really is appalling and you can't possibly blame the right when simply put there are no conservatives on college campuses anywhere never mind on positions of power. Liberalism is inherently racist and it's playing out on campuses everywhere right now.

I do agree with you about too many kids going to college and I'll add that it's due to the bottomless pit of federal loan guarantees and trash degrees with no hope of career success. We need a significant resurgence in trade school and blue collar careers but that work is hard and kids aren't interested.

Collectively the K-Bachelors education system is failing kids and by extension it's failing us which I think was the point of the story.

I would say you are missing the point. I will give you one example that will seem meaningless in the grand scheme of things but it adds up.

My 11 yr old nephew (who is basically a child prodigy and could debate any adult on here and hold his own) informed me that his history teacher told their class that the Constitution is just a guide and can be changed or interpreted at will.

He corrected her but as far as the class now knows the Constitution is a malleable document that can be whatever you want it to be.

And this is in deep east Texas.

Kids of today, yes I have them now, are ill prepared for productive work force. They are taught to be selfish and get what they need. They are taught that all win just for showing up and completing minimal requirements. Probably the most profound is they are taught to keep busy to fill time not get something accomplished.

How many parents here see more and more busy filler work? We do so many time consumer with no point projects it is stupid. We complete them as I have taught my kids to do as their bosses have instructed. This right here is the reason I hate hiring younger workers. They have no understanding to try and accomplish a goal. Their goal, as has been taught to them, is to hang in there and look busy until day is done. Zero pride in accomplishments. Why because we didn't die today so everybody wins.

Attention to detail is dead. My youngest turned in the worst project this family has ever turned in as we had 20 things going that week and get a solid 98. Yes the student knew it was terrible but was that far ahead of their peers. They said dad some put a shoe box on a board and passed. How do you think these students will contribute to work force?

This country can't go on wandering aimlessly waiting for gov to feed them. Hard times are coming. Every 5 years the work force drops another notch. I can't wait until I can retire. Not due to work but due to this generation we are making now. From first kids friends to last there is a different. It isn't a good difference either. Even all my kids know that most of their friends outside the foreign students are very lazy. Too much given notice enough earned.

I love it when people quote an excruciatingly long post, in its entirety. I especially like it when they do this and then post just a single word.

I do wonder though, do they intend for me to reread the entire quoted post? Do they believe it necessary for me to reread it to understand and appreciate their one word post?

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Getting to where "college graduate" will hurt the marketability of a resume.

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I' ve read that in some fields, many people with PhD's prepare and maintain two resumes.

One resume lists their PhD and they provide it whenever the job required a PhD. The other resume stopped with the BS or MS and was used for anything else. They didn't tell many prospective employers of their PhD because they would be considered to be overqualified and likely to change jobs as soon as anything better came along.

Most people might think something like English, History, Poetry, Film Arts, or something similar, but it is doubtful that the employers would expect anything better to come along for the Liberal Arts.

But for certain hard science degrees such as Physics, something better could come along, although with odds not necessarily as high as the employer might expect.

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Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage.

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Any university that de-emphasizes writing at the graduate level will put those students at a disadvantage for the purpose of proper grammar is report research and its findings. Writing skills is a must for any institution.

87% of students think at least one of their classes was too hard and should have been made easier.

That's wild.

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

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At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

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Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

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In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

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Texas State is 100% woke at Grad Level for English Lit. I have the class list in front of me....

Small sample

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87% of students think at least one of their classes was too hard and should have been made easier.

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That's mostly due to parenting. College educated parents don't want their kids pushed too much or told they're not good enough. We can blame the poor but it's also your neighbors.

My daughter made an A in Organic Chemistry this year in her second year of college, thanks to a nice hefty curve.

Kid's that didn't F*** around in high school regardless of COVID are going to stomp everyone else over the next 10 years.

Seriously. If one of these f### tards came in for an interview, would you hire them? Rhetorical question Bueler! So who's giving them jobs?

Plot twist: employers are now starting to do away with college as a requirement so people need to really think through wasting money on 4 year education. Unless you are getting a hardcore STEM degree I wouldn't do it unless you are wealthy and/or can get a full ride.

My wife's employer just removed four year degrees as a requirement for many jobs including executive level roles.

Fortune 500 company.

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Plot twist: employers are now starting to do away with college as a requirement so people need to really think through wasting money on 4 year education. Unless you are getting a hardcore STEM degree I wouldn't do it unless you are wealthy and/or can get a full ride.

My wife's employer just removed four year degrees as a requirement for many jobs including executive level roles.

Fortune 500 company.

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Uggh, we continue setting lower expectations and requirements, in the name of "fairness" and "equity" instead of encouraging people to improve their capability and reach new heights.

When I came out of school over 30 years ago, my Fortune 500 only hired from "select" colleges that were deemed top notch. A&M was one of them. They eventually did away with that, and it wouldn't surprise me if a college degree is now optional.

Heck, for colleges the SAT is now optional for many because it's "too hard" and it's "unfair" that some people score higher on it than others.

This won't end well. But at least we'll all be "equal."

Yep, it's insane.

One more note on this.....for their lowest level jobs they even removed high school as a requirement. So you can be a high school drop out and get a pretty decent job in corporate America.

While what you said is true on the equity front, schooling in this country has also made itself largely irrelevant. Employers no longer see benefit to it. They are willing to just take you as is and train you up.

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87% of students think at least one of their classes was too hard and should have been made easier.

That's wild.

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That's mostly due to parenting. College educated parents don't want their kids pushed too much or told they're not good enough. We can blame the poor but it's also your neighbors.

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Remember when kids complained a class was too hard we told them to try harder. Now, it's blamed on society and more importantly the sentiment "try harder" is never the solution. Our work ethic is slipping.

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87% of students think at least one of their classes was too hard and should have been made easier.

That's wild.

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That's mostly due to parenting. College educated parents don't want their kids pushed too much or told they're not good enough. We can blame the poor but it's also your neighbors.

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Remember when kids complained a class was too hard we told them to try harder. Now, it's blamed on society and more importantly the sentiment "try harder" is never the solution. Our work ethic is slipping.

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If I ever had complained about a "hard"class to my father, he'd have called me a poosay and told me to suck it up and do better. Luckily, I got my mom's great intellect so that was never an issue.

Part of this is indeed due to how ****ty and overpriced and useless college is now.

The other part is that most of what u learn in college is 4-6 years behind what most industries are practicing- like an MBA, etc. That is just how fast industries are learning and evolving now.

Why would a corporation want someone whose skills are 4 years behind what they practice?

Professions like engineering, notwithstanding, why require a degree from someone when u will spend the first 2 years retraining them anyways?

Seems like apprenticeships, etc...identifying promising HS students, developing them and training them how u want to train them would be more valuable.

The downside- if u take someone in and apprentice them you absolutely need to retain them otherwise u wasted ALOT of money training someone who will leave.

It's gonna be interesting

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Plot twist: employers are now starting to do away with college as a requirement so people need to really think through wasting money on 4 year education. Unless you are getting a hardcore STEM degree I wouldn't do it unless you are wealthy and/or can get a full ride.

My wife's employer just removed four year degrees as a requirement for many jobs including executive level roles.

Fortune 500 company.

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Uggh, we continue setting lower expectations and requirements, in the name of "fairness" and "equity" instead of encouraging people to improve their capability and reach new heights.

When I came out of school over 30 years ago, my Fortune 500 only hired from "select" colleges that were deemed top notch. A&M was one of them. They eventually did away with that, and it wouldn't surprise me if a college degree is now optional.

Heck, for colleges the SAT is now optional for many because it's "too hard" and it's "unfair" that some people score higher on it than others.

This won't end well. But at least we'll all be "equal."

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Do you believe the reasoning is truly what you are saying? I thought it was because the most select Ivy League schools are essentially liberal arts day care programs now, with state schools not being too far behind.

At least with a tradesman that spent 18-22 working in the field somewhere, you know he would have had to have busted his ass to make it that long. I can work with that. I can't work with a person who lives their life in perpetual victimhood.

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The well-documented woes that plague our government-run k-12 schools are now infecting our colleges. Students are arriving at universities woefully unprepared with the skills that are needed to tackle the rigors of upper-level education.

Of late, the downward k-12 spiral is a result of the lengthy and absolutely pointless Covid shutdowns, as well as many schools' penchant for drifting away from the traditional 3 Rs and focusing instead on a heavily politicized curriculum. As a result, student learning has taken a big hit.

A recent survey informs us just how dire the situation is. While 87% of college students answered that at least one of their classes was too difficult and that the professor should have made it easier, 64% said this was the case with "a few" or "most" of their classes.

On a similar note, American Enterprise Institute scholar Rick Hess reports that 64% of college students claim that they put "a lot of effort" into school. But of the students who answered that they're putting in a lot of effort, "a third said they devote fewer than five hours a week to studying and homework and 70% said they spend no more than 10 hours a week on schoolwork."

Some colleges are even dumbing down their curriculum to accommodate struggling students. The English department at Rutgers announced that it will de-emphasize "traditional grammar rules" in its graduate writing program so as not to put students with poor English backgrounds at a disadvantage. In Kansas, universities may scrap their algebra graduation requirement because too many students are failing it. It is reported that about one in three Kansas students fails college algebra the first time around, and some need to take it several times before they pass, while others get so frustrated that they drop out altogether.

Politically, colleges are an abomination. John Ellis, professor emeritus and chairman of the California Association of Scholars, explains that in the past "there would be a college campus on which a young academic loudly voiced his opinions on controversial mattersmostly political, but sometimes also on sexual morality, or even on legalizing drugs. This would offend the sensitivities of some local townspeople."

<snip>

At the same time, The College Fix examined seven campuses in different states six of them being primarily Republican and found "a total of 33 departments in which not one Republican professor could be identified.'

<snip>

Mark Tapson, Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, recently wrote that Princeton, while trashing Dead White Males like William Shakespeare and Isaac Newton, does offer courses like "Black + Queer in Leather: Black Leather/BDSM Material Culture" and "Anthropology of Religion: Fetishism and Decolonization."

It is worth noting that, as part of the new zeitgeist, about 40% of students identify as LGBTQ at liberal arts colleges. At women's colleges, the numbers are even higher: 61% at Wellesley and 70% at Smith College identify as LGBTQ. (When Gallup first asked the general public in 2012, just 3.5 % identified as LGBTQ. While a similar Gallup poll shows that the percentage had doubled by last year, it is still a far cry from the college numbers.)

Segregation is also back in style on many campuses. A study of 173 public and private colleges and universities conducted by the National Association of Scholars, reveals that 43% of them had programs to segregate student housing by race or sexual orientation, and 46% had racially segregated orientation programs. Additionally, 76% had segregated graduation ceremonies. At the same time, amusingly, schools conduct racially exclusive anti-racism training sessions.

<snip>

In 1978, Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson sang the iconic, "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys." Today, perhaps an enterprising songwriter can get the rights to the music and change the title and lyrics to "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be College Students."

Yes, it has come to that. We are in serious trouble.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/college-carnage/

Generation Zombie has little if any chance of being anything more than a millstone around the neck of this country.

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Horse*****

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Useless reply is useless. Do you disagree with the article or the meme? Whichever it is please explain. The data in the OP backs up what we've seen for a decade or more even at formerly conservative schools like A&M. Woke is destroying higher Ed.

So again which do you disagree with?

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The K-12 stuff is the exception, not the rule. Or at least that is the case in most Texas schools. College is when kids rebel. I have a hard time believing that half of college students identify as gay.

The issue isn't that high schools are failing student, although many are. The issue is that too many kids are trying to go to college. I would imagine that there are still plenty of students who can handle the rigor of college at the same level we or others before us had but we've allowed too many students think they can attend a four year college right out of the gate.

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Agree with the bolded. It started with the movement to make every high school student "college ready" and eliminate vocational programs in high school because too many minorities and lower socio-ec students were going vocational.

College turned into a right instead of a privilege and people started taking it for granted. This is the natural result.