Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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Rockdoc said:

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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See above post.

If more bad side effects start showing up from these vaccines people that pushed the shots in the past and defend them now better learn to keep their mouths shut!

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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You know that is not our decision to make.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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See above post.

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Oh, I read it. I'm just disapointed. I was really hoping that you would explain yourself in a clear and erudite manner. I'm sure if you tried just a little harder you could get there. I have faith in you. Don't ever give up.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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See above post.

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Oh, I read it. I'm just disapointed. I was really hoping that you would explain yourself in a clear and erudite manner. I'm sure if you tried just a little harder you could get there. I have faith in you. Don't ever give up.

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See above post.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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See above post.

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Oh, I read it. I'm just disapointed. I was really hoping that you would explain yourself in a clear and erudite manner. I'm sure if you tried just a little harder you could get there. I have faith in you. Don't ever give up.

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See above post.

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Which one? There are a lot of posts "above".

See what I mean by the importance of writing skills?

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about except maybe you and salute the teslas. Take your condescension elsewhere. Hope that was plain enough for you.

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So salty and I was so very polite to you earlier. How disappointing that you can't better explain your point of view.

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See above post.

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Oh, I read it. I'm just disapointed. I was really hoping that you would explain yourself in a clear and erudite manner. I'm sure if you tried just a little harder you could get there. I have faith in you. Don't ever give up.

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See above post.

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Which one? There are a lot of posts "above".

See what I mean by the importance of writing skills?

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See above post

Well this has been a back and forth on the flu vaccine so…

PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Recent mortality studies show the vaccine did not help readiness because the virus was no threat.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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Neat. I had eggs for breakfast. That statement is equally relevant as what you posted.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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Be honest, the directives come from politicians who have lots of Pfizer stock.

samurai_science said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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Be honest, the directives come from politicians who have lots of Pfizer stock.

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I would not be remotely surprised if this were true. However, my personal opinion as to the vax and its effectiveness is not the issue. The issue is that those in the military are expected to enforce the policies and regulations put out by the military and civilian leadership in the DoD. Whether you agree with them or not.

The US is a Republic. The military is not. Service members don't get to vote on what they will and will not do.

samurai_science said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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Be honest, the directives come from politicians who have lots of Pfizer stock.

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Even if that were true that decision is made far above the service member and is policy. Follow it or get out.

Or… don't follow it and stay in

Teslag said:

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samurai_science said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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Be honest, the directives come from politicians who have lots of Pfizer stock.

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Even if that were true that decision is made far above the service member and is policy. Follow it or get out.

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That's being taken care of.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

GAC06 said:

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Or… don't follow it and stay in

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Not all of us are in the chair force

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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What's personal responsibility got to do with someone trying to force a vax down your throat?

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The rules in the military are clear. Follow orders or pay the price. This is known from the lowliest Private to the Chief of Staff. Soldiers who refused to take the vax were well aware of this. They made their decision. Just don't be a coward and then whine about the consequences of such a decision. Be a man and accept the punishment.

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You realize they changed the rules on folks, right? At the time that the Covid Vax mandate came down, every contract for every serviceman had zero reference to that particular shot.

You may be ok with it based on your team alignment and excuse it as a general part of military life - but it was a dumb new rule (obsolete vax for a very low risk population).

No grandfather clause or anything. Just added a new requirement out of thin air. Accept it or get purged.

Im not either

geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

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Unfortunately you're the one that is sadly mistaken if you believe that any politician or DC paper pusher is going to be punished for any decision they make. It just does't happen like it needs to.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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What's personal responsibility got to do with someone trying to force a vax down your throat?

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The rules in the military are clear. Follow orders or pay the price. This is known from the lowliest Private to the Chief of Staff. Soldiers who refused to take the vax were well aware of this. They made their decision. Just don't be a coward and then whine about the consequences of such a decision. Be a man and accept the punishment.

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You realize they changed the rules on folks, right? At the time that the Covid Vax mandate came down, every contract for every serviceman had zero reference to that particular shot.

You may be ok with it based on your team alignment and excuse it as a general part of military life - but it was a dumb new rule (obsolete vax for a very low risk population).

No grandfather clause or anything. Just added a new requirement out of thin air. Accept it or get purged.

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Do contracts in the military mention any and all shots/vaxes you will receive while serving? Not being argumentative I truly am not aware of this aspect of the military contract.

If so, I'd bet a months pay that the same contract, in very fine writing, states (paraphrasing) "should the situation arise that requires a vax/shot not mentioned here we can still make you take it."

PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

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Unfortunately you're the one that is sadly mistaken if you believe that any politician or DC paper pusher is going to be punished for any decision they make. It just does't happen like it needs to.

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Give it time, I think we are about to see alot of things we haven't seen in this country before.

geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

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Unfortunately you're the one that is sadly mistaken if you believe that any politician or DC paper pusher is going to be punished for any decision they make. It just does't happen like it needs to.

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Give it time, I think we are about to see alot of things we haven't seen in this country before.

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Such as?

PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

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If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

---

Unfortunately you're the one that is sadly mistaken if you believe that any politician or DC paper pusher is going to be punished for any decision they make. It just does't happen like it needs to.

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Give it time, I think we are about to see alot of things we haven't seen in this country before.

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Such as?

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I'll leave it to your imagination. In my lifetime I have never seen the level of deep seated anger and single minded focus and agreement on where the problem is from everyday middle class Americans.

geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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geoag58 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat

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Your opinion is quaint but of little relevance when the DoD says otherwise. If the DoD says it does effect readiness then those in the military are expected to operate in a manner that supports this. This is Basic Training 101 level stuff here.

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Maybe just stick to your slippery slope nonsense then. You just tried to justify it saying it improves readiness, when it didn't. Those of us capable of making and understanding logical arguments can process that information and pencil whip nonsense orders. Guys in the "just following orders" crowd can turn their power point box green and wear their arms out patting themselves on the back for being good little automatons. You know, readiness!

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Again, the DoD (the organization you work under) said otherwise. And this decision was supported by both the Biden and Trump administrations. You not liking this does not change the fact that the DoD believes it does in fact impact readiness.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the military operates under the directives of the DoD and not under the opinions of GAC06. I know that's difficult to accept but that's just how things go.

---

If you don't think there will be backlash you are sadly mistaken. No one should be under the illusion that people don't think that both sides at the federal level have extremely dirty hands and there will be hell to pay for decisions made that caused harm especially when they were acting in bad faith!

---

Unfortunately you're the one that is sadly mistaken if you believe that any politician or DC paper pusher is going to be punished for any decision they make. It just does't happen like it needs to.

---

Give it time, I think we are about to see alot of things we haven't seen in this country before.

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Such as?

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I'll leave it to your imagination. In my lifetime I have never seen the level of deep seated anger and single minded focus and agreement on where the problem is from everyday middle class Americans.

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Why the hesitation to explain what it is you meant?

Why I just can't believe the stuff that come out of COVID enforcement is the enforcers of the policy act like the medical establishment haven't learned anything from the last couple of years.

I was over hearing a call between branch chief's and OSG folks and the OSG guy sad that 3 foot spacing for children was appropriate because children had smaller lungs. I wanted to open the door and throw a BA FLAG. No medical journal articles or studies coralkate lung size to determine spacing between children.

It is very apparent they are making up the rules to use as a tool to ID folks who tend to be patriotic and of a conservative mindset and try to cut them loose.

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I highly doubt that would be a lawful order now wouldn't it?

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Depends on who made up the law, doesn't it?

You can get to vaccination requirements in a round-about way, but yes, I fully expect a CYA clause. My point is simply that the understood landscape of service was changed unilaterally, and as Americans we wouldn't accept "well, you signed so you gave up your right to bodily autonomy" in any other domain.

Grandfather Clauses are commonplace in the military for the reason that servicemen still have rights and others don't get to change their terms mid-flight.