Military Vaccine Mandate Repeal

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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 11:28a, 12/16/22
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I made a statement. You twisted it into a straw man. Who's playing word games?

Also, as I mentioned the world is still turning. The units I've been part of still accomplished their missions. Somehow me not getting a worthless shot didn't destroy our armed forces. I haven't had the flu since 2009.
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:30a, 12/16/22
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I wouldn't order a PFC to do something stupid. Also I'm glad I'm not a PFC. The military institutes stupid policies, and they get pencil whipped. A tale as old as time.
Yeah - this is another issue: when pressure is high and auditing is low: fraud will arise. Whether training or readiness or maintenance or any other push to "turn red into green."

"Welcome to Who's Ready After All? where the records are fraudulent and timelines are artificial!"
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In reply to Teslag • 11:34a, 12/16/22
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Teslag said:
We absolutely agree on that lol. And I'll be honest with you, if I had a great soldier who did everything by the book and he didn't get his flu shot I'd possibly look the other way. Hell, maybe even take his CAC and get it for him. But I don't have that leeway anymore with digital record and reporting. If big army wants it, they will get it. With or without me.
Based upon you ratting grunts out and your posts on this thread, we all know the likely scenario of you looking the other way is zero.
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In reply to NICU Dad • 11:35a, 12/16/22
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How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
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11:40a, 12/16/22
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Dude, your posts under your previous username were prolific on guys trying to manipulate the system to avoid the shot and also not get fired.

Even if they were breaking the rules, you made it clear you were gleeful on making sure they were caught thanks to your dutiful reporting.

Unless it was your wife using your account.
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:40a, 12/16/22
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GAC06 said:
I made a statement. You twisted it into a straw man. Who's playing word games?

Also, as I mentioned the world is still turning. The units I've been part of still accomplished their missions. Somehow me not getting a worthless shot didn't destroy our armed forces. I haven't had the flu since 2009.
Nothing was twisted. Taking your comment and applying it to the military as a whole, "I'll do what I want" is both reasonable and germane to the conversation. This thought process is not tenable nor an effective mindset for those in the military.

And to be honest I find some of your statements, pertaining to ignoring medical directives, as highly questionable.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 11:45a, 12/16/22
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You are inventing statements I didn't make. Again.
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:47a, 12/16/22
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GAC06 said:
You are inventing statements I didn't make. Again.
Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.....well, you get the gist. Quit hiding behind your obtuseness. It's so very lazy.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 11:50a, 12/16/22
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Do you know what a fallacy is? Go read up and do better next time.
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In reply to GAC06 • 11:52a, 12/16/22
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GAC06 said:
Do you know what a fallacy is? Go read up and do better next time.
Still hiding I see.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 11:57a, 12/16/22
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Just trying to help you make a logical argument but I can't force you to learn. Good day.
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In reply to NICU Dad • 11:58a, 12/16/22
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NICU Dad said:
Dude, your posts under your previous username were prolific on guys trying to manipulate the system to avoid the shot and also not get fired.

Even if they were breaking the rules, you made it clear you were gleeful on making sure they were caught thanks to your dutiful reporting.

Unless it was your wife using your account.


That was people faking vax cards at my civilian job. There is no need to rat out grunts in the military. The system does that on its own.
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In reply to Teslag • 11:59a, 12/16/22
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Teslag said:
How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
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Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

-Salute The Marines / Teslag 1/6/22
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3264235/replies/61218068
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In reply to Teslag • 12:00p, 12/16/22
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Yeah, no one faked their vax cards in the military
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12:01p, 12/16/22
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Army? No. I am excited to see the Army's MEDPROS immunization system migrated to a CDC platform that can verify vaccination status by interested parties. Very exciting work and I'm glad to have helped with it.
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In reply to GAC06 • 12:01p, 12/16/22
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GAC06 said:
Just trying to help you make a logical argument but I can't force you to learn. Good day.
Well, don't be too hard on yourself. Trying to justify, teach, a flawed perspective is a difficult proposition. I'm sure if you put more thought into the subject matter you will come to terms with this.
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In reply to Pookers • 12:01p, 12/16/22
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Teslag said:
Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?
And he's bragging about it. Weird flex.
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In reply to Teslag • 12:11p, 12/16/22
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Teslag said:
Their pay is not "taken". They are reservists. They aren't allowed to sign in for duty if they are red for that directive. We do the same for other issues, like outstanding balances on GTC's or late vouchers on DTS, or even delinquent NCOER's. It's effective. All 6 called LHI, requested a voucher for service at Walgreens for a free flu shot and signed in by noon.
Why didn't you just say this from the get go and explain the situation?

Because you're a troll and want the attention and 5-pages of holier than thou attitude towards other posters.

Nice troll though, got this to 5 pages pretty quick.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 12:13p, 12/16/22
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FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
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Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

-Salute The Marines / Teslag 1/6/22
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3264235/replies/61218068


See the post directly above yours.
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In reply to agracer • 12:14p, 12/16/22
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And we dang sure don't need ANY more advice from him on vaccines or electric cars for that matter.
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In reply to agracer • 12:15p, 12/16/22
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agracer said:
Teslag said:
Their pay is not "taken". They are reservists. They aren't allowed to sign in for duty if they are red for that directive. We do the same for other issues, like outstanding balances on GTC's or late vouchers on DTS, or even delinquent NCOER's. It's effective. All 6 called LHI, requested a voucher for service at Walgreens for a free flu shot and signed in by noon.
Why didn't you just say this from the get go and explain the situation?

Because you're a troll and want the attention and 5-pages of holier than thou attitude towards other posters.

Nice troll though, got this to 5 pages pretty quick.
He explained that several pages back.

In the words of the 90s youth, "don't hate the player, hate the game.". TeslaAg is operating inside the DoD and is bound by its policies and regulations. Be angry at Joe and Don and their DoDs for deciding the vaccine mandate was necessary. Its like getting mad at a police officer for enforcing a law with which you take issue with. Don't get mad at the cop get mad at the government for creating the law in the first place.
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In reply to Teslag • 12:17p, 12/16/22
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Teslag said:
FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
Quote:
Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

-Salute The Marines / Teslag 1/6/22
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3264235/replies/61218068


See the post directly above yours.
Does it really matter? You were excited to turn people in for not taking your vaccine. You screwed with people's lives and you took pleasure in it.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:22p, 12/16/22
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PanzerAggie06 said:
agracer said:
Teslag said:
Their pay is not "taken". They are reservists. They aren't allowed to sign in for duty if they are red for that directive. We do the same for other issues, like outstanding balances on GTC's or late vouchers on DTS, or even delinquent NCOER's. It's effective. All 6 called LHI, requested a voucher for service at Walgreens for a free flu shot and signed in by noon.
Why didn't you just say this from the get go and explain the situation?

Because you're a troll and want the attention and 5-pages of holier than thou attitude towards other posters.

Nice troll though, got this to 5 pages pretty quick.
He explained that several pages back.

In the words of the 90s youth, "don't hate the player, hate the game.". TeslaAg is operating inside the DoD and is bound by its policies and regulations. Be angry at Joe and Don and their DoDs for deciding the vaccine mandate was necessary. Its like getting mad at a police officer for enforcing a law with which you take issue with. Don't get mad at the cop get mad at the government for creating the law in the first place.
There is a difference between looking the other way and actively working to take them down. Really easy to claim ignorance and just enter the card into the system and mark that the person "showed their papers".

Real believers in the vaccine honestly thought that it was fantastic and would help to eliminate COVID from the Earth. Some of them took it too far and started messing with people's lives.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 12:22p, 12/16/22
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FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
Quote:
Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

-Salute The Marines / Teslag 1/6/22
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3264235/replies/61218068


See the post directly above yours.
Does it really matter? You were excited to turn people in for not taking your vaccine. You screwed with people's lives and you took pleasure in it.
He didn't screw with anyones lives. The Soldiers in question did the screwing themselves by failing to follow orders and meet the medical requirements laid out by the DoD.

Odd.....I could have sworn F16 was really big on personal responsibility and taking ownership of the consequences you face.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:25p, 12/16/22
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What's personal responsibility got to do with someone trying to force a vax down your throat?
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In reply to Rockdoc • 12:29p, 12/16/22
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Rockdoc said:
What's personal responsibility got to do with someone trying to force a vax down your throat?
The rules in the military are clear. Follow orders or pay the price. This is known from the lowliest Private to the Chief of Staff. Soldiers who refused to take the vax were well aware of this. They made their decision. Just don't be a coward and then whine about the consequences of such a decision. Be a man and accept the punishment.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:30p, 12/16/22
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PanzerAggie06 said:
FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
FriscoKid said:
Teslag said:
How did I "rat grunts out"? Be specific.
Quote:
Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

-Salute The Marines / Teslag 1/6/22
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3264235/replies/61218068


See the post directly above yours.
Does it really matter? You were excited to turn people in for not taking your vaccine. You screwed with people's lives and you took pleasure in it.
He didn't screw with anyones lives. The Soldiers in question did the screwing themselves by failing to follow orders and meet the medical requirements laid out by the DoD.

Odd.....I could have sworn F16 was really big on personal responsibility and taking ownership of the consequences you face.


When the military, who is sworn to protect our country, begins to focus more on diversity, inclusion and experimental shots, we start having a problem with it.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:31p, 12/16/22
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Go away dude. That's not even what I'm referring to.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:31p, 12/16/22
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I think ratting people out and getting felony charges against them is probably screwing with people's lives.

In the end, people should have been a little cautious about taking the vaccine since it has proven to have some safety concerns and it wasn't effective either with omicron.
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In reply to Rockdoc • 12:37p, 12/16/22
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Rockdoc said:
Go away dude. That's not even what I'm referring to.
Then perhaps you need to be more clear with your posts. Writing skills matter.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 12:38p, 12/16/22
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FriscoKid said:
I think ratting people out and getting felony charges against them is probably screwing with people's lives.

In the end, people should have been a little cautious about taking the vaccine since it has proven to have some safety concerns and it wasn't effective either with omicron.
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:40p, 12/16/22
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PanzerAggie06 said:
Rockdoc said:
Go away dude. That's not even what I'm referring to.
Then perhaps you need to be more clear with your posts. Writing skills matter.

So does intelligence. You're lacking.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 12:42p, 12/16/22
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FriscoKid said:
I think ratting people out and getting felony charges against them is probably screwing with people's lives.

In the end, people should have been a little cautious about taking the vaccine since it has proven to have some safety concerns and it wasn't effective either with omicron.
His job, in part, is to report and act upon the medical readiness of the Soldiers under him. This is neither a new concept nor a controversial one. Reporting to higher command that certain Soldiers are not within medical parameters is not "ratting people out". Its maintaining awareness of the readiness of a given unit. Readiness is kind of important by the way.
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In reply to Rockdoc • 12:44p, 12/16/22
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Rockdoc said:
PanzerAggie06 said:
Rockdoc said:
Go away dude. That's not even what I'm referring to.
Then perhaps you need to be more clear with your posts. Writing skills matter.

So does intelligence. You're lacking.
I'll be the better person and take the high road here. I'm a good person when it comes to this type situation.

So, please clarify your statement so that we might continue in this conversation. Your point of view is of great interest.

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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 12:48p, 12/16/22
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Covid vax doesn't improve readiness. Kind of an important caveat
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