Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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So how do you get them to get the flu shot when they've known about it since august and missed the December cut off? Educate me, maybe there's a better way than mine. Keep in mind the other 130 or so soldiers other than these 6 didn't have an issue getting it done.

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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When you were in the military did you ever have an issue that you felt the need to fall on your sword for? The type of action that could have been a career killer. If so, how did that work out for you?

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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"Forcing" vaccinations begins on day 1 in the military.

Teslag said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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So how do you get them to get the flu shot when they've known about it since august and missed the December cut off? Educate me, maybe there's a better way than mine. Keep in mind the other 130 or so soldiers other than these 6 didn't have an issue getting it done.

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There is a lot about the Army I miss. However, the "herding cats" aspect of the job was the worst. Trying to get a gaggle of Soldiers in their teens and early 20s to meet the myriad of requirements put out by the DoD was always a royal pain.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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When you were in the military did you ever have an issue that you felt the need to fall on you sword for? The type of action that could have been a career killer. If so, how did that work out for you?

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Never served. But I faced having my career ended in the private sector all the same over this bull**** as well. And I know people who did serve who had 20 year careers ended over this nonsense.

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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Señor Chang said:

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You are a bad person.

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When I first joined there was a soldier who was kind of promiscuous but not what you would call easy or anything. She later suffered a sexual assault by a superior officer and it was buried. I had some information that backed up her case and I kept quiet just to avoid being caught up in it. This was prior to the Army's big anti-sexual assault push we see now. They basically forced her out and trashed her reputation. I found out last year that she eventually took her own life over it all. I've since volunteered for any SHARP teaching or SARC position I can but there's still a ton of guilt over it.

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https://texags.com/forums/63/topics/3248443/replies/62812151

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You should go back and try to find the thread where he says he would support aborting his own flesh and blood with a smile on his face. He has no moral fortitude. He's the type that needs to follow orders blindly because thinking for himself will result in disaster. Hopefully he never amounts to any real type of leadership in the military where tough decision must be made.

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Now you're just making **** up

titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

Pookers said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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When you were in the military did you ever have an issue that you felt the need to fall on you sword for? The type of action that could have been a career killer. If so, how did that work out for you?

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Never served. But I faced having my career ended in the private sector all the same over this bull**** as well. And I know people who did serve who had 20 year careers ended over this nonsense as well.

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So, in other words you have no concept of how medical readiness in the military works and the processes put in place to ensure service members meet these requirements. Got it.

Being upset that the Biden/Trump administrations required military personnel to receive the covid vaccine is reasonable. I grasp the objections. Scream at Don and Joe all you want. However, to expect individual service members to fall on their sword in protest of this is absurd. A dumb decision on the part of the DoD should not lead to military leaders being forced to end their livelihood and career in protest.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Pookers said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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When you were in the military did you ever have an issue that you felt the need to fall on you sword for? The type of action that could have been a career killer. If so, how did that work out for you?

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Never served. But I faced having my career ended in the private sector all the same over this bull**** as well. And I know people who did serve who had 20 year careers ended over this nonsense as well.

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So, in other words you have no concept of how medical readiness in the military works and the processes put in place to ensure service members meet these requirements. Got it.

Being upset that the Biden/Trump administrations required military personnel to receive the covid vaccine is reasonable. I grasp the objections. Scream at Don and Joe all you want. However, to expect individual service members to fall on their sword in protest of this is absurd. A dumb decision on the part of the DoD should not lead to military leaders being forced to end their livelihood and career in protest.

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

---

You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

For stragglers you have your subordinate leaders figure out what the barrier is (typically E-5's) and clear it. If they need your help to schedule the soldier for an extra drill day to access base resources on a Friday, or for a medic to have a dose available at drill, or need a courtesy drill to a place where dental services are available - you can step in to help. And if the soldier is going UA: do the paperwork to drop em.

But one this is for sure: you're not going to remediate the delinquent and unmotivated by withholding pay. And the rest of the unit has been making note of your priorities and loyalties. They've already pegged you as a transactional place-holder.

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

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You disagree that soldiers know they will be forced to take vaccinations on day one? Like you think it doesn't happen?

Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

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You disagree that soldiers know they will be forced to take vaccinations on day one? Like you think it doesn't happen?

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You missed the "experimental" part in front of the vaccine. Go ahead and continue carrying water for pfizer, they appreciate your service to their bottom line.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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For stragglers you have your subordinate leaders figure out what the barrier is (typically E-5's) and clear it. If they need your help to schedule the soldier for an extra drill day to access base resources on a Friday, or for a medic to have a dose available at drill, or need a courtesy drill to a place where dental services are available - you can step in to help. And if the soldier is going UA: do the paperwork to drop em.

But one this is for sure: you're not going to remediate the delinquent and unmotivated by withholding pay. And the rest of the unit has been making note of your priorities and loyalties. They've already pegged you as a transactional place-holder.

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That is exactly what I did between august and November. Refusing sign in was the last resort. And even after that we had them go to the nearest Walgreens, get the shot, and return for afternoon MUTA.

Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

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You disagree that soldiers know they will be forced to take vaccinations on day one? Like you think it doesn't happen?

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You missed the "experimental" part in front of the vaccine. Go ahead and continue carrying water for pfizer, they appreciate your service to their bottom line.

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Except legally it isn't experimental. And we've also used other experimental vaccines for service. It's not a new concept.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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For stragglers you have your subordinate leaders figure out what the barrier is (typically E-5's) and clear it. If they need your help to schedule the soldier for an extra drill day to access base resources on a Friday, or for a medic to have a dose available at drill, or need a courtesy drill to a place where dental services are available - you can step in to help. And if the soldier is going UA: do the paperwork to drop em.

But one this is for sure: you're not going to remediate the delinquent and unmotivated by withholding pay. And the rest of the unit has been making note of your priorities and loyalties. They've already pegged you as a transactional place-holder.

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He's made it clear that the reserves operate differently than active duty. Don't meet requirements? Don't get paid. TeslAg did not come up with this system. He is merely expected to operate inside the system created by the DoD.

And while I agree with you that using pay as punishment can be problematic it is, at times, effective when used judiciously. I had several Soldiers in my platoon engaged in activities that lead to their pay being reduced for a period of time. They were furious.......but the inappropriate behavior never returned.

In addition, if they get the shot between battle assembly weekends they will be allowed a duty day of pay. They still don't at times.

Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Señor Chang said:

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You are a bad person.

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Teslag
10:58a, 8/31/22

AG

When I first joined there was a soldier who was kind of promiscuous but not what you would call easy or anything. She later suffered a sexual assault by a superior officer and it was buried. I had some information that backed up her case and I kept quiet just to avoid being caught up in it. This was prior to the Army's big anti-sexual assault push we see now. They basically forced her out and trashed her reputation. I found out last year that she eventually took her own life over it all. I've since volunteered for any SHARP teaching or SARC position I can but there's still a ton of guilt over it.

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https://texags.com/forums/63/topics/3248443/replies/62812151

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You should go back and try to find the thread where he says he would support aborting his own flesh and blood with a smile on his face. He has no moral fortitude. He's the type that needs to follow orders blindly because thinking for himself will result in disaster. Hopefully he never amounts to any real type of leadership in the military where tough decision must be made.

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Now you're just making **** up

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3329794/1#discussion

You are pretty cavalier here about murdering your own grandchild based on their mode of conception. The "smile on your face" line was inferred by your claim to have absolutely zero moral qualms about taking action to kill your grandchild.

So you made it up as I said. And I stand by everything I said.

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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titan said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.

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After making an unambiguous and loud protest. Much closer to that Lt.Col. Scheller.

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There are some things worth "falling on the sword" for and this is one of them IMO.

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I can tell you've never served. If those of us who have decided to have a "**** it I quit" attitude over every thing the military does we disagree with we'd be out before year one.

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****ing yawn. This is hardly "everything'; this is a very specific and tyrannical edict.

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That we all know about on day 1

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Going to have to agree to disagree on this and move on.

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You disagree that soldiers know they will be forced to take vaccinations on day one? Like you think it doesn't happen?

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You missed the "experimental" part in front of the vaccine. Go ahead and continue carrying water for pfizer, they appreciate your service to their bottom line.

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Except legally it isn't experimental. And we've also used other experimental vaccines for service. It's not a new concept.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

You know, saying you were following "lawful" orders resulted in many executions at the Nuremburg trials.

Just sayin'

Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Señor Chang said:

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You are a bad person.

Quote:

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Teslag
10:58a, 8/31/22

AG

When I first joined there was a soldier who was kind of promiscuous but not what you would call easy or anything. She later suffered a sexual assault by a superior officer and it was buried. I had some information that backed up her case and I kept quiet just to avoid being caught up in it. This was prior to the Army's big anti-sexual assault push we see now. They basically forced her out and trashed her reputation. I found out last year that she eventually took her own life over it all. I've since volunteered for any SHARP teaching or SARC position I can but there's still a ton of guilt over it.

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https://texags.com/forums/63/topics/3248443/replies/62812151

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You should go back and try to find the thread where he says he would support aborting his own flesh and blood with a smile on his face. He has no moral fortitude. He's the type that needs to follow orders blindly because thinking for himself will result in disaster. Hopefully he never amounts to any real type of leadership in the military where tough decision must be made.

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Now you're just making **** up

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3329794/1#discussion

You are pretty cavalier here about murdering your own grandchild based on their mode of conception. The "smile on your face" line was inferred by your claim to have absolutely zero moral qualms about taking action to kill your grandchild.

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Yep, bringing in an old thread pertaining to abortion is a great way to ensure the dialogue here remains reasonable and focused.

Teslag said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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So how do you get them to get the flu shot when they've known about it since august and missed the December cut off? Educate me, maybe there's a better way than mine. Keep in mind the other 130 or so soldiers other than these 6 didn't have an issue getting it done.

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I can't remember the last time I got a flu shot. It's been at least six years. The world kept turning, my units "readiness" was just fine.

GAC06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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So how do you get them to get the flu shot when they've known about it since august and missed the December cut off? Educate me, maybe there's a better way than mine. Keep in mind the other 130 or so soldiers other than these 6 didn't have an issue getting it done.

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I can't remember the last time I got a flu shot. It's been at least six years. The world kept turning, my units "readiness" was just fine.

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I'm unclear on something.....are you stating you are in the military and you haven't received a flu shot in 6 years?

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So you made it up as I said. And I stand by everything I said.

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Using an idiom does not mean I "made it up."

GAC06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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So how do you get them to get the flu shot when they've known about it since august and missed the December cut off? Educate me, maybe there's a better way than mine. Keep in mind the other 130 or so soldiers other than these 6 didn't have an issue getting it done.

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I can't remember the last time I got a flu shot. It's been at least six years. The world kept turning, my units "readiness" was just fine.

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Not sure how it works in the Air Force but the Army has a medical readiness system (MEDPROS) that had three states, green, Amber, and red. Failure to get immunizations, including flu, will result in a red status and that soldier will be non-deployable. When that percentage for a unit gets low enough **** rolls down hill. The directive for our brigade was 100%.

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And when a single solder is red for an extended period of time, on anything, then **** really hits the fan. And remember it's not their fault. They consider it your fault as their first line.

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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You are a bad person.

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Teslag
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When I first joined there was a soldier who was kind of promiscuous but not what you would call easy or anything. She later suffered a sexual assault by a superior officer and it was buried. I had some information that backed up her case and I kept quiet just to avoid being caught up in it. This was prior to the Army's big anti-sexual assault push we see now. They basically forced her out and trashed her reputation. I found out last year that she eventually took her own life over it all. I've since volunteered for any SHARP teaching or SARC position I can but there's still a ton of guilt over it.

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https://texags.com/forums/63/topics/3248443/replies/62812151

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You should go back and try to find the thread where he says he would support aborting his own flesh and blood with a smile on his face. He has no moral fortitude. He's the type that needs to follow orders blindly because thinking for himself will result in disaster. Hopefully he never amounts to any real type of leadership in the military where tough decision must be made.

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Now you're just making **** up

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3329794/1#discussion

You are pretty cavalier here about murdering your own grandchild based on their mode of conception. The "smile on your face" line was inferred by your claim to have absolutely zero moral qualms about taking action to kill your grandchild.

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Yep, bringing in an old thread pertaining to abortion is a great way to ensure the dialogue here remains reasonable and focused.

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Well, the discussion was regarding the character of a certain poster. Hence why I responded to a quote of his from the past detailing his lack of action on a sexual assault case.

So I'd say that thread is just as valid as plenty of the other comments in here. Sorry if it's a subject that you don't want to touch on. There's plenty in this thread that is not a direct response to the OP.

Kvetch said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Señor Chang said:

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You are a bad person.

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Teslag
10:58a, 8/31/22

AG

When I first joined there was a soldier who was kind of promiscuous but not what you would call easy or anything. She later suffered a sexual assault by a superior officer and it was buried. I had some information that backed up her case and I kept quiet just to avoid being caught up in it. This was prior to the Army's big anti-sexual assault push we see now. They basically forced her out and trashed her reputation. I found out last year that she eventually took her own life over it all. I've since volunteered for any SHARP teaching or SARC position I can but there's still a ton of guilt over it.

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https://texags.com/forums/63/topics/3248443/replies/62812151

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You should go back and try to find the thread where he says he would support aborting his own flesh and blood with a smile on his face. He has no moral fortitude. He's the type that needs to follow orders blindly because thinking for himself will result in disaster. Hopefully he never amounts to any real type of leadership in the military where tough decision must be made.

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Now you're just making **** up

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3329794/1#discussion

You are pretty cavalier here about murdering your own grandchild based on their mode of conception. The "smile on your face" line was inferred by your claim to have absolutely zero moral qualms about taking action to kill your grandchild.

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Yep, bringing in an old thread pertaining to abortion is a great way to ensure the dialogue here remains reasonable and focused.

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Well, the discussion was regarding the character of a certain poster. Hence why I responded to a quote of his from the past detailing his lack of action on a sexual assault case.

So I'd say that thread is just as valid as plenty of the other comments in here. Sorry if it's a subject that you don't want to touch on. There's plenty in this thread that is not a direct response to the OP.

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The discussion is the lifting of the Covid vaccine mandate in the military. Questions pertaining to the "character" of individual posters are merely straw men style arguments whose purpose is to shift the goal posts away from the actual discussion at hand.