Even if there isn't you would think human decency would mean reporting. If a person has morals and is ethical they would report.

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The Nazis broke multiple laws of warfare.

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Not as many as people think. They just did what 21st C Democrats tend to do: Made the previously illegal "legal" by process. That's the danger of "law" when written by the lawlessly and tyranny minded.

Oddly enough, they often continued to obey some of the remaining laws. In a procedural kind of way. That's why so much was done off German soil.

They didn't even do what Biden is doing with the border -- ignoring their laws. They changed them.

Allies broke many too, if you are talking about the actual laws of war--- but this topic would seem more to relate to internal laws of the nation and government wouldn't it?

Their pay is not "taken". They are reservists. They aren't allowed to sign in for duty if they are red for that directive. We do the same for other issues, like outstanding balances on GTC's or late vouchers on DTS, or even delinquent NCOER's. It's effective. All 6 called LHI, requested a voucher for service at Walgreens for a free flu shot and signed in by noon.

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Yes exactly

You are disgusting

You also are the same person who would in the 70s giving soldiers syphilis intentionally

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So the military should abandon medical readiness and cede all medical decisions to their members? Commanders should never have any real picture or their medical readiness by extension? Is that what you propose?

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Should military aged health males be forced to take an experimental shot that has significant proof of causing heart conditions?

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No, absolutely not. I haven't even got a booster.

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Considering they discharged over 3500 service members over this mandate.

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Trump already stated they'll be re-enlisted w full back pay when he's elected

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So they're still screwed.

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Teslag said:

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The Nazis broke multiple laws of warfare.

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Not as many as people think. They just did what 21st C Democrats tend to do: Made the previously illegal "legal" by process. That's the danger of "law" when written by the lawlessly and tyranny minded.

Oddly enough, they often continued to obey some of the remaining laws. In a procedural kind of way. That's why so much was done off German soil.

They didn't even do what Biden is doing with the border -- ignoring their laws. They changed them.

Allies broke many too, if you are talking about the actual laws of war--- but this topic would seem more to relate to internal laws of the nation and government wouldn't it?

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Very well stated! That's exactly what happens!

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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Always beating his chest about something. A self-backslapper

My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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So what should we do? Just let them go red? You tell me. How would you handle it?

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

This poison crap should have never been mandated in the first place

Yep, for active duty it's pretty simple. Send them to the TMC and have them get the shot during the duty day. You'll see them every day for the rest of the month for follow up. In the reserves it's a different animal. You see people two days a month, if they don't RST or go UNSAT. So your tools for enforcement are limited, and the army still expects the same level of medical readiness as the active side. You do what you have to do. Restricting sign in is about the only tool we have for many things.

My Name Is Judge said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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So what should we do? Just let them go red? You tell me. How would you handle it?

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Not bragging on an Internet forum about being a vax Nazi would be a good start

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That says nothing. How would you handle an army directive to get flu shots, every year, with a full bird colonel dictating a suspense date of Dec 1?

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.

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Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.

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Probably had no issues with the BLM riots and the destruction they caused with no repercussions, though, right?

And yeah, I know it's not the military but the "hypocrisy" point stands.

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.

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Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.

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Being forced to be injected with an experimental vaccine should not be a "lawful" order.

"Just following orders" should not be an excuse; that includes following orders to force others to be injected with an experimental vaccine.

The military mandate was put in place after the vaccine had full non-experimental approval. Now you may disagree with that approval, but we aren't the approving agency.

Further, we have mandated experimental vaccines in the past for soldiers (anthrax) and will again. It's the nature of the beast when you join.

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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So what should we do? Just let them go red? You tell me. How would you handle it?

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Not bragging on an Internet forum about being a vax Nazi would be a good start

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That says nothing. How would you handle an army directive to get flu shots, every year, with a full bird colonel dictating a suspense date of Dec 1?

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So yes to the Code Red, if given by Colonel Jessup?

A friend of mine is a drill sergeant and I once asked why they make a big deal of vaccinating new enlistees at basic training instead of doing it at MEPPS prior to shipping. When they arrive at basic they remove their shirts, line up, and get vaccinated one by one for every single thing they lack. I got 3 in one arm and 2 in the other. At the same time. He said the reason was 1) it's faster and 2) it's a way to show them that they no longer have full autonomy over their medical choices. That they are in effect an asset of the military and the military will "maintain" you as they feel necessary.

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Teslag said:

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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So what should we do? Just let them go red? You tell me. How would you handle it?

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Not bragging on an Internet forum about being a vax Nazi would be a good start

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That says nothing. How would you handle an army directive to get flu shots, every year, with a full bird colonel dictating a suspense date of Dec 1?

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So yes to the Code Red, if given by Colonel Jessup?

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Save the hysterics. What would you do?

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?

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Picturing Teslaag as frank burns from mash

I absolutely 100% was. My choices after that were to commit suicide, let it happen again, or be better. I chose the latter.

And it's likely my information wouldn't have done **** for her. They would have just stomped on me too as a young junior enlistee. But the guilt was the same.

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Yes exactly

You are disgusting

You also are the same person who would in the 70s giving soldiers syphilis intentionally

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So the military should abandon medical readiness and cede all medical decisions to their members? Commanders should never have any real picture or their medical readiness by extension? Is that what you propose?

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Should military aged health males be forced to take an experimental shot that has significant proof of causing heart conditions?

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No, absolutely not. I haven't even got a booster.

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Wait a second. Am reading this right? You are bragging about it is correct for troops to be dismissed by the Bidenites for refusing and are happy to enforce that but you haven't done it yourself?

Maybe mis-reading.

1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.

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Bragging about being a scumbag human


You continue to reach new lows

Congrats!

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I was unclear as to how the TeslaAg could, of his own accord, prevent soldiers from being paid. However, I was under the impression we were discussing active duty soldiers. Interfering with active duty personnel's pay is a very different beast than what the OP is describing as a reservist. The reserves are fairly straight forward. Don't need medical protocols? Don't get paid. This covers everting from dental to eye care.

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Its certainly easier in the reserves, but I had some reservists who couldn't even afford to drive in for drill. A couple hundred bucks for a weekend was a BIG deal to them. "They're just reservists" is an attitude of disposability.

And then - beyond the personal side - there's the issues of unit morale, your relationships with the unit if you actually were to activate, and attrition.

Sobel vs Winters. Just because you're operating within your structural allowance doesn't make you a leader.

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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They skipped 6-10 years of safety trials for this vaccine....

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Pookers said:

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Teslag said:

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1. Booster was never mandated
2. No soldier was ever mandated to get an experimental vaccine

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You can hide behind the thin veneer of the bull**** word games pfizer and the FDA plays but everybody with two functioning brain cells knows these mRNA jabs are experimental.

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Which is a fair belief to have. But those definitions have legal meaning. especially in regard to UCMJ. Rank and file simply cannot dictate their own policy. The term "above my pay grade" exists for a reason.

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Gotcha, back to "just doin muh job". Personally, I'd retire or be discharged before forcing these things on people.