Military Vaccine Mandate Repeal

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WASHINGTON The Senate on Thursday gave final approval to an $858 billion military policy bill that would rescind the Pentagon's mandate that troops receive the coronavirus vaccine, defying President Biden's objections and sending to his desk a bill that paved the way for a massive increase in spending on the military.
The vote was 83 to 11, an overwhelmingly bipartisan margin that reflected support in both parties for boosting the Pentagon's budget by $45 billion over Mr. Biden's request, as lawmakers in both parties argued that the protracted war in Ukraine and an emboldened China had changed the nation's security posture.
With Republicans set to take control of the House in January, it essentially locked in the kind of large boost to the military budget that Mr. Biden and many Democrats had sought to avoid while they had unified control of government.
Negotiated by Democrats and Republicans in both chambers, the legislation would grant a 4.6 percent raise to military personnel, and provide $800 million in new security aid to Ukraine and billions to Taiwan. It includes changes sought by lawmakers to the military's policy for handling sexual assault cases, a major victory that its proponents had labored for years to secure.

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Republicans essentially forced Mr. Biden to stomach the vaccine mandate repeal over his administration's strong objections. Led by Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader who is campaigning to be speaker, Republicans threatened to tank the bill if it did not include the provision eliminating the requirement. That left Democrats, some of whom have privately nursed concerns about how the mandate affected recruitment efforts, with little choice but to accept it.

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The Pentagon forcefully opposed the repeal. John F. Kirby, a spokesman for the National Security Council, had accused Republicans pushing the repeal of fighting "against the health and well-being of those troops, rather than protecting them."


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Republicans who had led the effort to rescind the vaccine rule took a victory lap on Thursday.
"Service members should be focused on bolstering our national defense, not political mandates," said Senator Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee.
Service members are required to be vaccinated against a whole host of viruses. Starting in basic training, recruits receive shots protecting them from hepatitis A and B; the flu; measles, mumps and rubella; meningococcal disease; polio; tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis; and chickenpox in addition to Covid-19, according to the Defense Health Agency, which oversees health care for the armed forces.
Across the armed services, a vast majority of service members are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, and nearly all are at least partially inoculated. But thousands of troops were discharged for refusing to take the vaccine.

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The bill builds on reforms to the military justice system passed last year, removing commanders from decisions in the prosecution of sexual assault cases and vesting those powers to independent prosecutors. Last year's military policy bill stripped military commanders of most of their authority to prosecute sexual assaults and myriad other criminal cases, but it allowed them to keep key decision-making powers.
Senators rejected a proposal by Senator Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, to relax the permitting requirements for building fossil fuel energy infrastructure, including the controversial Mountain Valley gas pipeline in his home state.
Liberals and Republicans have repeatedly rejected the legislation in recent months, but Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, has pushed the permitting bill to fulfill his end of a deal he had made with Mr. Manchin over the summer: If the West Virginian agreed to cast his crucial tiebreaking vote to enact Mr. Biden's climate and health care bill, they would work to ensure passage of Mr. Manchin's energy bill.
Although they have so far not delivered on their end of the deal, it is possible that the Democratic leaders might still try to add the energy permitting legislation to a sprawling spending bill needed to fund the government before the end of the year.
Mr. Biden weighed in on Thursday with a statement calling on Congress to pass the energy bill.
Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.

DBird
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Considering they discharged over 3500 service members over this mandate.
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We'll now I'm worried about what the establishment's new cash cow will be…


If they're giving up on the govt poison, what will they roll out next?
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DBird said:

Considering they discharged over 3500 service members over this mandate.


Trump already stated they'll be re-enlisted w full back pay when he's elected
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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.
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I highly doubt that would be a lawful order now wouldn't it?
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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.


You would have made the perfect Nazi!
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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.
What about not reporting sexual abuse?
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The Nazis broke multiple laws of warfare.
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DBird said:

Considering they discharged over 3500 service members over this mandate.
Almost like it was meant to weaken our armed forces.

But none of our leaders are compromised by foreign governments who would want to weaken our military right? Right?
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Pookers said:

Teslag said:

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.
What about not reporting sexual abuse?


It is now a requirement under the Army SHARP program, of which I have served as a SARC. We are defined not by our failures as leaders, but how we respond to them.
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Teslag said:

Pookers said:

Teslag said:

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.
What about not reporting sexual abuse?


It is now a requirement under the Army SHARP program, of which I have served as a SARC. We are defined not by our failures as leaders, but how we respond to them.


Without a doubt a person stating things like the above posts would be the same exact person working as a policeman forcibly arresting a parent with their kid in a park because they are outside!

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Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
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Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?
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Teslag said:

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.
Disagree. It is not a good deal. The vaccine was more hurtful than helpful as we all now have begun to discover. I feel for the soldiers who had to make the choice to say no to taking the jab and be discharged. Sadly our government and military leaders who imposed this are weak and foolish and I pray they will be replaced with better men in the future who make the right decisions. Mark Milley, Lloyd Austin and FJB can't be replaced soon enough.
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Pookers said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?

Not getting a flu vaccine results in a red status in MEDPROS and the soldier is non-deployable at that point. I can't have soldiers sitting in that status as 1) I don't like getting my ass chewed out and 2)readiness is why we exist in a reserve status. I do they same when they hit red in dental or other medical statuses.
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Pookers said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?


True heroes still exist.
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Actually, that's a lie. I usually start getting pissy when I have soldiers go amber in dental. I prefer to have all medical issues done withing a 90 day window of going red.
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Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


That's gayer than Elton John and Liberace gettin' it on.

Nothing like useless shots as a primer to expulsion.
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Teslag said:

I highly doubt that would be a lawful order now wouldn't it?
So the northern aggression in the 19th century was unlawful?
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BigRobSA said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


That's gayer than Elton John and Liberace gettin' it on.

Nothing like useless shots as a primer to expulsion.

We also kick people out for smoking a plant on non-duty hours which is equally stupid but I don't make the rules.
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BertMacklinFBI said:

Teslag said:

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.


Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.


You would have made the perfect Nazi!
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Teslag said:

I highly doubt that would be a lawful order now wouldn't it?


Is the shot still SaFe FrEe AnD eFfEcTiVe, STV?
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Artorias said:

Teslag said:

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Senators also rejected a Republican proposal by Senators Ted Cruz of Texas and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin to reinstate and provide back pay to service members who were dismissed by the military for refusing to take the coronavirus vaccine.




Good deal. Failure to follow lawful orders should never be rewarded. It is the foundation of who we are in the military.


And if they are ordered to fire on American civilians, even if a "lawful" order?


I guess it depends on the American civilians, under the current administration if an armed cartel group crossed over the border the just became "Americans" (and hopefully we have some CM volunteers from this board to get them registered and then fill in their mail in vote within 5 minutes of said crossing)...
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Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


Looks like Salute the Vax has circled back to his/his wife's raw form.
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Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


How did you prevent a Soldier from being paid?
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Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


Yes exactly

You are disgusting with the endless pursuit of the Covid jab.

You also are the same person who would in the 70s be giving soldiers syphilis intentionally
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Pookers said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?

But remember "safe and effective "
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ChemEAg08 said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


Looks like Salute the Vax has circled back to his/his wife's raw form.


There is a TON of **** in the military I don't like. I don't believe in pronouns or having trans soldiers in our ranks. But I will have to follow the rules on misgendering and enforce it as well. It's part of the package. We can't have everyone doing their own **** in the military. It just won't work.
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You must be a huge Art Briles fan. Disgusting if you really didn't turn someone in for sexual abuse.
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AGHouston11 said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.


Yes exactly

You are disgusting

You also are the same person who would in the 70s giving soldiers syphilis intentionally


So the military should abandon medical readiness and cede all medical decisions to their members? Commanders should never have any real picture or their medical readiness by extension? Is that what you propose?
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Help_needed said:

You must be a huge Art Briles fan. Disgusting if you really didn't turn someone in for sexual abuse.


You would think of all the important things that their would be lawful orders on that to follow? Are their not?
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Teslag said:

Pookers said:

Teslag said:

Well I counseled and didn't let 6 soldiers get paid this past weekend because they haven't got their flu vaccine yet (brigade directive was to have it by December 1st). So chew on that one for a bit.
So you made sure some soldiers didn't get paid over a ****ing flu vax?

Not getting a flu vaccine results in a red status in MEDPROS and the soldier is non-deployable at that point. I can't have soldiers sitting in that status as 1) I don't like getting my ass chewed out and 2)readiness is why we exist in a reserve status. I do they same when they hit red in dental or other medical statuses.
Dude. Other differences aside… man-to-man… If your go-to leadership mechanism is F'ing with a junior enlisted's pay to avoid personal get scolded… I'm going to recommend replacing some TexAgs time with reading up on leadership.

Seriously - it doesn't even come to mind when I think of the tools I used in leading my Marines.
 
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