Irish 2.0 said:

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The instances of sudden deaths due to heart failure have increased significantly amongst the generally healthy 30-50 demographic. Men more than women, but plenty of women in the data too

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Link to the data?

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/study-finds-increase-in-heart-disease-death-rates-during-covid-19-pandemic

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The growth in heart disease death rates were high among younger adults, with approximately 10 years of progress erased in 2020. Among adults 35 to 54 years of age, heart disease deaths dropped by 5.5% from 2010 to 2019, which spiked by 12% 2020.

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https://newsroom.heart.org/news/heart-disease-death-rates-spiked-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-erasing-years-of-progress

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/heart-attack-deaths-jumped-sharply-among-young-us-adults-in-2nd-year-of-covid-pandemic/

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• U.S. deaths attributed to heart attacks, or acute myocardial infarctions as they are medically known, shot up 14% to 164,096 in the first year of the pandemic, April 1, 2020, to Mar 31, 2021.
• By the second year of the pandemic, the dramatic increases in heart attacks blew apart the models used to predict how many people would lose their lives to these events. Fatal heart attacks among adults ages 25-44 soared 29.9% over what was predicted. Deaths from heart attack climbed by 19.6% for adults ages 45-64 and by 13.7% for ages 65 and older.
• These excessively higher rates of heart attack-related death have persisted throughout the pandemic, the Cedars-Sinai researchers found, including the possibility that COVID-19 could trigger or accelerate coronary artery disease. The scientists said more research has to be done to pinpoint risks.

"There is something very different about how this virus affects the cardiac risks," said Dr. Susan Cheng, director of the Institute for Research on Healthy Aging in the Department of Cardiology at the Smidt Heart Institute and senior and co-corresponding author of the study. "The difference is likely due to a combination of stress and inflammation, arising from predisposing factors and the way this virus biologically interacts with the cardiovascular system."

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z

mRNA vaccine didn't get EUA til December of 2020 so I'm not sure this is a smoking gun.

• By the second year of the pandemic, the dramatic increases in heart attacks blew apart the models used to predict how many people would lose their lives to these events. Fatal heart attacks among adults ages 25-44 soared 29.9% over what was predicted. Deaths from heart attack climbed by 19.6% for adults ages 45-64 and by 13.7% for ages 65 and older.

This is the smoking gun

So we have an increase before the vaccine that continues during the vaccine. That coincides with all of the things the article talks about: increased unhealthy behaviors (sedentary lifestyle, unhealthy eating, alcohol use), decreased medical care due to closures or lockdowns, covid19 itself, and the known myocarditis risk from vaccines.

You'd have to do a lot of legwork to sort those out. For example, something like this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00517-6

Even then that Bayesian network doesn't consider the other factors.

I've seen several anti-vax videos from physicians that don't pass the smell test. This one does. That doctor seems very rational, clear thinking, and presents reasonable facts, not a hysterical, pre-determined position.

I've always said that a proven safe vaccine is something I'm fine getting, but thought there was ample reason for my kids and heathy family members to wait and see. That's not anti-vax, that's just prudence. And of course I've taken some heat for that position... downright ridicule actually.

Seems more and more like this position is well justified for now.

It also seems more and more like these COVID commercials on TV and the radio need to add the disclaimer/full disclosure information like every other drug, that they are currently exempted from.

Zobel said:

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So we have an increase before the vaccine that continues during the vaccine. That coincides with all of the things the article talks about: increased unhealthy behaviors (sedentary lifestyle, unhealthy eating, alcohol use), decreased medical care due to closures or lockdowns, covid19 itself, and the known myocarditis risk from vaccines.

You'd have to do a lot of legwork to sort those out. For example, something like this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00517-6

Even then that Bayesian network doesn't consider the other factors.

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Curious: Why does running itself get a pass? Are any looking at that closer? Like said earlier that's like using after-burners all the time rather than that one or two emergency moments you REALLY need it.

That's the obvious other correlation noticing if going to exonerate the vaxes.

aggiegolfer03 said:

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we just need a vaccine against running...

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We already do. It's called a couch.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Let me save everyone some time and effort.

Everyday around the globe approximately 150,000 die each day.

SWEET BABY JEBUS, THE COVID VAX CLEARLY KILLED ALL OF THEM!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

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Where was that energy when COVID was being blamed for all these deaths past few years?!

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BINGO

Irish 2.0 said:

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The instances of sudden deaths due to heart failure have increased significantly amongst the generally healthy 30-50 demographic. Men more than women, but plenty of women in the data too

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And all of those are solely attributed to solely the COVID immunizations? Is this just in the past year? That's pretty astronomical…Not those results, but the fact that they were able to cobble definitive data to synthesize and analyze in such a short period. Were we already on an upward trend precovid for those same groups? It's hard to take these sound bites at face value without the full picture, but would be I interesting to know from valid sources outside of bits echoed via the media and social media

Why don't you check the post at the top of the page. A decade of decreasing heart disease improvements have been wiped out and only got worse after the shot was available.

Beware post hoc ergo propter hoc

Zobel said:

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Beware post hoc ergo propter hoc

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https://thecountersignal.com/australian-government-says-vaccine-risk-too-high-for-people-under-30/

Australian government says vaccine risk too high for people under 30

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2022/12/06/german-study-covid-19-vaccine-killing-otherwise-healthy-people-n515833

COVID-19 vaccine killing otherwise healthy people

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-doc.pdf

The State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old.

You're right. I tested the subject, and any search engine tied to google literally took me to counter productive material. You can't easily get to the german study, but if you pick some of the other search engines, it is easy to find.

That is interesting but expected after hearing what the agencies are doing with "disinformation" policing on Twitter. I assume it impacts google and other tech firms heavily. I bet it impacts Android and Apple phones as well.....

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled......

Two things can be true at the same time bud.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Let me save everyone some time and effort.

Everyday around the globe approximately 150,000 die each day.

SWEET BABY JEBUS, THE COVID VAX CLEARLY KILLED ALL OF THEM!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

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Do you make these arguments in an effort to preserve reasoned thought, are you angry that maybe you took something bad or are you just really pumped about buying into government/corporate stoodgism?

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651

A Case Report: Multifocal Necrotizing Encephalitis and Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccination against COVID-19

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2022/08/15/top-doctor-blasts-cdc-for-failing-to-research-heart-injuries-in-children-n2611766

Top Doctor Blasts CDC For Failing to Research Heart Injuries in Children

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/328529


New study links COVID vaccines to 25% increase in cardiac arrest for both males & females

Study based on data from emergency services. COVID infection itself not linked to significant increase in cardiovascular complications.

If there is nothing else that F16 has taught me this week it's that no one that young can possibly die of a heart attack without having been vaccinated. Unless they're attempting to fake a ruptured aorta in which case it's still a vax related death.

We need more studies and more people coming forward. I think that the Damn is bound to break, but the force/evidence needs to be so large it can't be drained off.

We need to do this before they can justify another round of vaccination or boosters.

agent-maroon said:

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If there is nothing else that F16 has taught me this week it's that no one that young can possibly die of a heart attack without having been vaccinated. Unless they're attempting to fake a ruptured aorta in which case it's still a vax related death.

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Just can't be bothered to read the links can you ? ? ? You refuse to accept that maybe you were wrong and that you were tricked/misled into taking something that is now starting to appear dangerous and possibly have long term complications to your health.

Instead of arguing against actual studies and science you should be getting mad at those that tricked and misled you.

I didn't say half the shlt that you just went off on. I know how to read a study and I've taken entire courses on how to spot the crap "science" BS that a fair portion of them contain. You want to know one of the easiest ways to spot the BS? Look for the writer to attempt a proof by belligerent assertion.

Zobel said:

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So we have an increase before the vaccine that continues during the vaccine. That coincides with all of the things the article talks about: increased unhealthy behaviors (sedentary lifestyle, unhealthy eating, alcohol use), decreased medical care due to closures or lockdowns, covid19 itself, and the known myocarditis risk from vaccines.

You'd have to do a lot of legwork to sort those out. For example, something like this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-022-00517-6

Even then that Bayesian network doesn't consider the other factors.

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Skinny people can have fatty liver disease and there's health ramifications. Diabetes and heart disease will be skyrocketing with our sugar and processed food dominated diets.

This has always been the norm…

https://instagr.am/p/Cl8-pfEOO13

Irish 2.0 said:

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• By the second year of the pandemic, the dramatic increases in heart attacks blew apart the models used to predict how many people would lose their lives to these events. Fatal heart attacks among adults ages 25-44 soared 29.9% over what was predicted. Deaths from heart attack climbed by 19.6% for adults ages 45-64 and by 13.7% for ages 65 and older.

This is the smoking gun

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Yep. Probably THE worst thing you can do with myocarditis is stress the heart through rigorous physical activity/exercise. Prob explains the disproportion increase as you go down in age. I refuse to believe it is just lifestyle changes, fentanyl, whatever the vax loyalists say it is.

NIH actually put out a paper claiming that "vaccine terrorism" is the cause of all the heart attacks.

What is that you ask? It is people who refuse to take the shots and tell everyone how dangerous they are. It is scaring people into heart attacks and other "side effects."

And I'm not being sarcastic.

Running is bad for you, got it

Can anyone even confirm whether or not she was vaccinated, and, if so, which vaccine? It seems Thailand imported China's vaccine and produced AstraZeneca's vaccine; which I don't believe either to be the mRNA everyone wants to freak out about.