Anybody not think this guy is a patriot? The next GOP president should pardon him and bring him home. Our government chased him off to Russia for unveiling the depths of their treachery.
Edward Snowden
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He is a traitor who should spend the rest of his life in prison.
He's a hero for exposing that the NSA was/is spying on American citizens without any kind of due process or even legal authority to do.
He is a villain for exposing our means and methods of electronic surveillance to our enemies. For this, he should face a trial and rot in prison if convicted.
He is a villain for exposing our means and methods of electronic surveillance to our enemies. For this, he should face a trial and rot in prison if convicted.
well trump had his chance, with assange too. but i guess its only okay to just talk about the deep state instead of actually exposing them and all.valvemonkey91 said:
The next GOP president should pardon him and bring him home
The front page of this forum has a 5 year-old thread with 48k replies that chronicle and describe in exquisite detail the myriad, methodical abuses of the intelligence community against American citizens and some of you all seriously think he should spend the rest of his life in jail?
American hero.
I view him as one of the greatest heroes of this century, behind guys like Chris Kyle.
I'm not aware of any spies killed from his disclosures but given my current view of the alphabet agencies, my starting assumption is that most of the employees are at best, unAmerican, and traitors at worst. Anyone not willing to standup to their own leadership in those agencies is part of the problem and not the solution.
Snowden was willing to stand up for America and we'll need more patriots like him if we're ever going to restore this once great nation.
I'm not aware of any spies killed from his disclosures but given my current view of the alphabet agencies, my starting assumption is that most of the employees are at best, unAmerican, and traitors at worst. Anyone not willing to standup to their own leadership in those agencies is part of the problem and not the solution.
Snowden was willing to stand up for America and we'll need more patriots like him if we're ever going to restore this once great nation.
Hero
**** our dog**** establishment scum
**** our dog**** establishment scum
Hard to tell for sure yet. As far as can tell, he didn't do what he did for some massive pay-out or personal gain, which would put him probably pretty firmly more in the kind of a type of patriot category. His error was in giving so much to enemies. But its an open question just what that "given" even as, or whether something they already had. That's the kind of stuff only much later histories would reveal.
Just from what we have seen from the OBidens, it seemes he did more service and took risk, rather than was some kind of Rosenbergs. That he ended up taking refuge in a political adversary simply follows probably from what he saw. What happened to Trump after shows he didn't have a shot in hell of surviving reporting it to channels and also being heard at the same time. It would have been buried, and he likely with it.
For Snowden, yes, Trump could have pardoned him and brought him home. For Assange, there are half a dozen countries lined up to arrest him, so a pardon from Trump or any other US president wouldn't have done anything.HoseMad said:well trump had his chance, with assange too. but i guess its only okay to just talk about the deep state instead of actually exposing them and all.valvemonkey91 said:
The next GOP president should pardon him and bring him home
Rapier108 said:
He's a hero for exposing that the NSA was/is spying on American citizens without any kind of due process or even legal authority to do.
He is a villain for exposing our means and methods of electronic surveillance to our enemies. For this, he should face a trial and rot in prison if convicted.
He couldn't do the former without doing the latter.
Deputy Travis Junior said:
The front page of this forum has a 5 year-old thread with 48k replies that chronicle and describe in exquisite detail the myriad, methodical abuses of the intelligence community against American citizens and some of you all seriously think he should spend the rest of his life in jail?
They are brainwashed.
It astounds me that the same forum that roundly believes the FBI is full of corruption and would love someone to do what Snowden did to the FBI think he is a villain.
True enough. The way to think about this, is would we feel that way about a Chinese intel member deserting them to give warning to the world? Sure Xi's government would object but would the world?Ags4DaWin said:Rapier108 said:
He's a hero for exposing that the NSA was/is spying on American citizens without any kind of due process or even legal authority to do.
He is a villain for exposing our means and methods of electronic surveillance to our enemies. For this, he should face a trial and rot in prison if convicted.
He couldn't do the former without doing the latter.
Rapier108 said:
He's a hero for exposing that the NSA was/is spying on American citizens without any kind of due process or even legal authority to do.
He is a villain for exposing our means and methods of electronic surveillance to our enemies. For this, he should face a trial and rot in prison if convicted.
Problem was we weren't just doing it to our enemies. How could he have exposed the first without giving details about the second? Some of you live in fantasy land. The guy is a first class hero that gave up his life as he knew it because otherwise they were going to killl him. He could have just shut his mouth and went about his business and we'd still probably not know how corrupt our government is.
He gave up way to much information pertaining to the systems/personnel used in gaining intelligence. For this alone, regardless of what he exposed in regards to spying on US citizens, he needs to rot in jail for a good minute.
Never underestimate the alluring flavor of a shiny black leather boot.Deputy Travis Junior said:
The front page of this forum has a 5 year-old thread with 48k replies that chronicle and describe in exquisite detail the myriad, methodical abuses of the intelligence community against American citizens and some of you all seriously think he should spend the rest of his life in jail?
Deputy Travis Junior said:
The front page of this forum has a 5 year-old thread with 48k replies that chronicle and describe in exquisite detail the myriad, methodical abuses of the intelligence community against American citizens and some of you all seriously think he should spend the rest of his life in jail?
If one's knowledge of Snowden's actions has come from internet forums and self serving podcasts, I can understand how one may sympathize with him.
Those who work in the business may have a clearer picture of just how badly he damaged the security of our nation.
Pardon Snowden. Pardon Assange. Pardon Ulbricht. Anybody who disagrees with this is not a friend of liberty.
Anyone thinking Assange deserves a pardon doesn't know much about him. Or is a Russian bot.shack009 said:
Pardon Snowden. Pardon Assange. Pardon Ulbricht. Anybody who disagrees with this is not a friend of liberty.
then again, its likely a troll given the inclusion of ulbricht.
You're going to have to do a lot better than this to convince me that the US Intelligence Community of the last decade is a group of honorable, dedicated professionals. Their actions over the past 6-7 years paint them as a circus of partisan hacks more concerned with protecting Democrats than US security, and there's no way that rot appeared overnight in 2015. That infrastructure and ethos were in place long before Snowden.
It's a shame that Snowden damaged US security - and I know that he did - but the IC can't abuse its powers and then, after somebody exposes the tools that they used commit those abuses, cry "but wait, we used those tools for legitimate purposes too!" They're a package deal. Either use your tools legally and honorably or risk backlash from the people writing your paychecks while you illegally spy on them and conspire to ruin their lives because they don't vote for the same people you do.
It's a shame that Snowden damaged US security - and I know that he did - but the IC can't abuse its powers and then, after somebody exposes the tools that they used commit those abuses, cry "but wait, we used those tools for legitimate purposes too!" They're a package deal. Either use your tools legally and honorably or risk backlash from the people writing your paychecks while you illegally spy on them and conspire to ruin their lives because they don't vote for the same people you do.
And obviously I can't. But take note that President Trump himself had access to all the pertinent info and chose not to pardon him.
Didn't Snowden pledge allegiance to Russia recently?
Michael Berry had a great take on him.valvemonkey91 said:
Anybody not think this guy is a patriot? The next GOP president should pardon him and bring him home. Our government chased him off to Russia for unveiling the depths of their treachery.
Snowden is both hero and villain.
Snowden let us know that the US government was illegally spying on US citizens.
Thanks to him scum sucking bureaucRATS and politicians like Klapper, Bush, Ridge, etc were outed as being the light version of a totalitarian surveillance state. Many were spared the taxpayer rage they should have received because of the (R) behind their names.
He exposed all this and then gave info to our enenmies.
We don't know if it was good or bad info, we just know he gave info.
That made him a bad guy.
Spoken like a true fan of dictators.
At least your buddy meathead agrees with you.
At least your buddy meathead agrees with you.
TxTarpon said:
Spoken like a true fan of dictators.
As does President Trump. Good company to agree with a patriot like President Trump, who you clearly must hate.
I... I don't think a presidential pardon would be appropriate. Regardless of justifications, he did damage US security, and the president has to take a hard line on that. And in a perfect world, he would have shown more discretion with his disclosures (though practically, there's only so much a single person can do with that volume of info)
But ****, look at the FBI and CIA. These aren't exactly organizations with histories free of power abuses and what we know of the last 7 years doesn't suggest that they've changed. I understand that Snowden damaged security, but the IC can't stomp on our rights and monitor us for fake, coooked-up reasons completely unrelated to national security and then hold up their legitimate work as an aegis against criticism of their rampant power abuses. I'm sure the Stazi took down some true criminals back in the 70s too.
But ****, look at the FBI and CIA. These aren't exactly organizations with histories free of power abuses and what we know of the last 7 years doesn't suggest that they've changed. I understand that Snowden damaged security, but the IC can't stomp on our rights and monitor us for fake, coooked-up reasons completely unrelated to national security and then hold up their legitimate work as an aegis against criticism of their rampant power abuses. I'm sure the Stazi took down some true criminals back in the 70s too.
Deputy Travis Junior said:
But *****...
There is no "but ****" when it comes to unauthorized disclosure of national security information. The violation is binary - no shades of gray.
Check your notes.wbt5845 said:TxTarpon said:
Spoken like a true fan of dictators.
As does President Trump. Good company to agree with a patriot like President Trump, who you clearly must hate.
Looks like I am in good company to agree with a REAL Patriot like President Trump who you clearly must hate.
When you see that the government illegally spies on us do you salivate that one day they will take our guns away?
Trump never gave Snowden a pardon. Posting memes doesn't negate that fact.
President Trump and I side together in our thoughts on Snowden. You are against President Trump. Which is fine - just admit it.
President Trump and I side together in our thoughts on Snowden. You are against President Trump. Which is fine - just admit it.
Why is Klapper walking free?
He a$$ should be in booty grabbing prison for lying to the American people.
He a$$ should be in booty grabbing prison for lying to the American people.
Trump never killed him or put him in prison either.
How many of your government goon friends are harvesting any post that says "TEXIT"?
Does that make you excited to know the deep state, aligned with the corrupt FBI and Justice Dept are going to keep people inline?
Ever wonder why January 6 protesters were hunted down so quickly?
The bureaucRATS you are a fanboy of in that big building posted above helped?
Liberal fantasy.
How many of your government goon friends are harvesting any post that says "TEXIT"?
Does that make you excited to know the deep state, aligned with the corrupt FBI and Justice Dept are going to keep people inline?
Ever wonder why January 6 protesters were hunted down so quickly?
The bureaucRATS you are a fanboy of in that big building posted above helped?
Liberal fantasy.
Hah, whatever dude. You sound like a cop on the take defending his bad behavior. "Sure we habitually abused our powers to spy on and intimidate American citizens, and yes our boss lied under oath to Congress, and uh huh, we definitely meddled in American elections and even wire tapped a president under a sham FISA warrant with forged info... but dammit when we weren't enriching ourselves we used those powers to protect national security and Snowden damaged that when he exposed the depths of our corruption!"wbt5845 said:Deputy Travis Junior said:
But *****...
There is no "but ****" when it comes to unauthorized disclosure of national security information. The violation is binary - no shades of gray.
Haha hiding behind President Trump, who infamously never read any briefing more than a page. He probably made his decision after some stooge he never should have hired told him not to pardon Snowdenwbt5845 said:
Trump never gave Snowden a pardon. Posting memes doesn't negate that fact.
President Trump and I side together in our thoughts on Snowden. You are against President Trump. Which is fine - just admit it.
Traitor. If he was to be pardoned it sets a bad precedent for rogue wanna be heroes in the intelligence community and would likely put lives at stake. People want America kept safe..and we probably do t always want to know how it's done (a la Nicholson in Few Good Men)valvemonkey91 said:
Anybody not think this guy is a patriot? The next GOP president should pardon him and bring him home. Our government chased him off to Russia for unveiling the depths of their treachery.