Just wow

Yes, the minimum wage should be raised to $25/hour.

No, it won’t make the price of your Big Mac go up.

Studies show this. Other countries that pay higher wages show this.

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) December 10, 2022

She's not 100% wrong.
The price of a Big Mac won't go up.
But the part she leaves out is there won't be any burger flipper or cashier jobs as McDonalds anymore either.

Exactly who is this idiot?

Picard said:

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Exactly who is this idiot?

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https://gprivate.com/62b4i

Just sell 10 more teas.

aggiebq03+ said:

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She's not 100% wrong.
The price of a Big Mac won't go up.
But the part she leaves out is there won't be any burger flipper or cashier jobs as McDonalds anymore either.

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While I agree that McDonalds could make the switch to automation to eliminate those jobs, there will now be technicians to keep everything running smoothly, and they make better money.

Furthermore, your mom and pop shops can't afford to make the switch to automation so either their prices go up or they shut down. The downstream effect is either the market price goes up and McDonalds also shifts their price up to capture more profits, or the competition shutters, which allows McDonalds to push their prices up due to a lower supply/competition.

Either way, the jobs will be eliminated and we will eventually pay more

https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/financing/mcdonalds-testing-new-drive-thru-concept-texas

Eso si, Que es said:

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aggiebq03+ said:

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She's not 100% wrong.
The price of a Big Mac won't go up.
But the part she leaves out is there won't be any burger flipper or cashier jobs as McDonalds anymore either.

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While I agree that McDonalds could make the switch to automation to eliminate those jobs, there will now be technicians to keep everything running smoothly, and they make better money.

Furthermore, your mom and pop shops can't afford to make the switch to automation so either their prices go up or they shut down. The downstream effect is either the market price goes up and McDonalds also shifts their price up to capture more profits, or the competition shutters, which allows McDonalds to push their prices up due to a lower supply/competition.

Either way, the jobs will be eliminated and we will eventually pay more

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Idiots like this women seem to think that only fast food workers make minimum or lower wages, and are the only ones affected by this. Everything upstream from that Big Mac will increase in price too. So yeah, that burger will get expensive.

aggiebq03+ said:

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She's not 100% wrong.
The price of a Big Mac won't go up.
But the part she leaves out is there won't be any burger flipper or cashier jobs as McDonalds anymore either.

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To sum it up... Less employees working longer and harder.

Picard said:

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Exactly who is this idiot?

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Nina Turner is a left-of-center activist and Democratic politician, who formerly served as a member of the Ohio State Senate. She is a senior fellow at the Institute on Race, Power, and Political Economy at The New School. She is the host of "Unbossed," a political commentary show hosted by the Young Turks on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitch. Formerly she worked as the president of Our Revolution.

Turner has a bachelor's and master's degree from Cleveland State University. She has worked intermittently at Cuyahoga Community College since 1998, first as an adjunct and then as an assistant professor of history. Her research and teaching interests include "Race, Class, and Gender Inequalities," "Education and Social Justice," "Race, Crime and the Justice System," and "Voting Rights."

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https://www.influencewatch.org/person/nina-turner/

An on and off again Cuyahoga Community College Professor. Seems legit...

Why only $25? Who can live on that?

Reading through the Twitter comments really highlights the difference in generations. When I was growing up working minimum wage jobs, the idea was that it wasn't meant to be your long term employment. In fact it was a motivator to bust my ass in school.

And the belief that raising wages won't both affect the consumer and the employees by more automation and lower benefits is just ignorant (not to mention McDonalds is a franchise model so you are hurting the mom and pop franchise owners).

She needs Ike to settle her ass down and go to dancing.

For those keeping up, $25/hr, 40 hr/wk, 50 wk/yr is $50000 annually.

For unskilled, in many cases uneducated or undereducated people.

Why go to college when you can start at $50k stocking shelves and bagging groceries at HEB?

Here's the problem:

Mathguy64 said:

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For those keeping up, $25/hr, 40 hr/wk, 50 wk/yr is $50000 annually.

For unskilled, in many cases uneducated or undereducated people.

Why go to college when you can start at $50k stocking shelves and bagging groceries at HEB?

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Well. I think fewer people going to college might be a good thing…

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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For those keeping up, $25/hr, 40 hr/wk, 50 wk/yr is $50000 annually.

For unskilled, in many cases uneducated or undereducated people.

Why go to college when you can start at $50k stocking shelves and bagging groceries at HEB?

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Well. I think fewer people going to college might be a good thing…

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But how will they get their communism is good education!

Yes trillions spent for college education and what does our country have to show for it……………

Problem now is the lack of good paying jobs, the lack of on the job training, and the increasing demands by employers that college is absolutely necessary.

We've quit having apprenticeship programs. We've priced mid tier production jobs out of existence through unions and overt consumerism. The job pool is smaller than ever for better jobs per capita, and employer's are demanding degrees for jobs thay absolutely dont need them.

It's a catch 22, and not surprising when we've gutted the middle class job market.

JohnLA762 said:

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Here's the problem:

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A effin men. Just because somebody has degree, teaching job, or works for government, many think what they say is gospel.
That's why I cringe when someone says, "he has degree from Harvard, Yale etc. They may can regurgitate formulas or facts, can speak in word salads (obama) , but can't poor piss out of a boot

Ag_of_08 said:

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Problem now is the lack of good paying jobs, the lack of on the job training, and the increasing demands by employers that college is absolutely necessary.

We've quit having apprenticeship programs. We've priced mid tier production jobs out of existence through unions and overt consumerism. The job pool is smaller than ever for better jobs per capita, and employer's are demanding degrees for jobs thay absolutely dont need them.

It's a catch 22, and not surprising when we've gutted the middle class job market.

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That's always been one of the appeals of the oil field. People can get good paying jobs without an underwater basket weaving degree

The question these idiots will never answer: What happens to the wages of those already making $15, $20, $25 an hour, and what impact does that make on the business for not only wages, but for government mandated taxes based on those same increasing wages?

There are tons of factory jobs that built and sustained the American middle class for a century that could still be viable mid 20s to low 30s an hour jobs. Between huge tax burdens, the EPA being weaponized in non union states, and unions being allowed to push wages into ridiculous rates, they've all packed up and gone away.

The petrochem refinery is going to be the next victims. Groups like the boilermakers and teamsters have pushed operators salaries through the roof, and pushed companies like ExxonMobil to take the highest paying positions to salary to avoid assanine incompetence. The ones in Port Arthur and Beaumont nearly ****ed around and found out this last time, they walked off because they didn't get big raises like they wanted, and they proved that plant didn't need nearly as many high dollar operators. Eventually they will price themselves out of jobs, and everything will be contractors.

We need to focus on bringing manufacturing on a large scale here again. One of my very real birches about Trump, he tried to play the failed protectionist tariffs game( it fails, every time, and damages the "protected" industry), but refused to even attempt to curve the power ofnthe EPA and regulatory agencies in an effort to promote domestic production.

Want to improve our economy and job market? Get the .gov out of the way, and make it viable for businesses to manufacture here....

Ag_of_08 said:

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There are tons of factory jobs that built and sustained the American middle class for a century that could still be viable mid 20s to low 30s an hour jobs. Between huge tax burdens, the EPA being weaponized in non union states, and unions being allowed to push wages into ridiculous rates, they've all packed up and gone away.

The petrochem refinery is going to be the next victims. Groups like the boilermakers and teamsters have pushed operators salaries through the roof, and pushed companies like ExxonMobil to take the highest paying positions to salary to avoid assanine incompetence. The ones in Port Arthur and Beaumont nearly ****ed around and found out this last time, they walked off because they didn't get big raises like they wanted, and they proved that plant didn't need nearly as many high dollar operators. Eventually they will price themselves out of jobs, and everything will be contractors.

We need to focus on bringing manufacturing on a large scale here again. One of my very real birches about Trump, he tried to play the failed protectionist tariffs game( it fails, every time, and damages the "protected" industry), but refused to even attempt to curve the power ofnthe EPA and regulatory agencies in an effort to promote domestic production.

Want to improve our economy and job market? Get the .gov out of the way, and make it viable for businesses to manufacture here....

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Blue parachute

"Studies show this".
Probably got this off of TexAgs and the peer reviewed "two teas" research.

If people with IQ's just above average are getting doctorates, we're handing out far too many advanced degrees, and diluting then as a measure of ability and competency.

It should be difficult for anyone not around one sigma above the IQ mean for most degrees to obtain a doctorate.

Does Nina appreciate that blacks and the poor have been harmed more my minimum wage increases than whites and the wealthy?

She's got hers and is pulling up the ladder behind her

It doesn't even really need to be stated, but what does she think the person now making $25 per hour will need to make if the bottom is raised to equal them? The market will demand they be paid more as well. All the way up the ladder.

The number of people that think an economy is based upon magic is mystifying to me.

Liberals are the top want to eliminate small business and consolidate power to a few select mega companies on team blue. And put all of the serfs on the government tit forever. Easier to control.

That lady isn't a college professor. She's a part time adjunct at a community college.

That's the equivalent of someone being introduced as a professional baseball player but it turns out they've never had a whiff of the majors and really only spent a year or two bouncing between rookie and rookie advanced before washing out to be a junior high science teacher who coaches baseball on the side.

Colleges are in the business of making money, not educating. And certainly not ethics.

tysker said:

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Does Nina appreciate that blacks and the poor have been harmed more my minimum wage increases than whites and the wealthy?

She's got hers and is pulling up the ladder behind her

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Maybe. Just as likely that she really is that stupid.

Ag_of_08 said:

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Problem now is the lack of good paying jobs, the lack of on the job training, and the increasing demands by employers that college is absolutely necessary.

We've quit having apprenticeship programs. We've priced mid tier production jobs out of existence through unions and overt consumerism. The job pool is smaller than ever for better jobs per capita, and employer's are demanding degrees for jobs thay absolutely dont need them.

It's a catch 22, and not surprising when we've gutted the middle class job market.

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I think it's more nuanced even though I agree with many of your points. First, what is a good paying job? Minimum wage for a young, unmarried person getting their degree is vastly different than someone supporting a family. I used minimum wage jobs to pay for my tuition to get a better job.

Second, there are plenty of opportunities to learn good jobs through training. Problem is lots of people don't want to work for it. And they sure don't want to work two jobs if the second is an apprenticeship. Again, my mindset was always "I have to pay the bills, but the paying bills job is temporary while I work my other angles to improve my marketability for the better careers". I did many things that were unpaid but benefited me later on.

The number of "I don't want to" people is being greatly exaggerated IMO. The absolute lack of mobility and opportunity is driving the attitude as well.

Just an observation. My gen gets accused of being lazy, but I can't name more than a couple of my contemporaries that wouldn't leap at a chance for a good pay rate and training that would give them a career.