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TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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CDUB98 said:

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RWWilson said:

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This is common in the LGBTQ community. Honest ones will admit that man/boy and NAMBLA types are prevalant in the "community". It makes sense. If you are going to openly practice sexual deviancy in one manner - if you are proudly "crossing the line" - why would you stop there?

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Y'all want an example of widespread labeling? Here it is. Plain and simple.

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99% of all sex abuse perpetrators are male. Is that "widespread labeling"? The facts don't hurt my feeling just because I'm a male. It simply illustrates a difference between men and women. Homosexuals and heterosexuals are likewise different. It is simple to see where one type of deviance leads to other types.

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You're not characterizing men or equally important a group you don't belong to as sexual abusers like you did in your initial posts on this thread. Big difference.

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My initial post simply stated a fact. Gay authors and leaders such as Allen Ginsberg, Gayle Rubin, Larry Kramer (founder of ACT-UP), Pat Califia,Jane Rule, Michael Kearns, and Michel Foucault have all written in favor of either NAMBLA or man-boy relationships. Harry Hay, whom many consider the founder of the American homosexual movement, invited NAMBLA members to march with him in the 1993 "March on Washington" gay rights parade. He marched in gay pride parades wearing a shirt emblazoned with the words "NAMBLA walks with me. Leading mainstream homosexual newspapers and magazines such as the Advocate, Edge, Metroline, The Guide, and The San Francisco Sentinel have not only published pro-NAMBLA articles and columns but also many have editorialized in favor of NAMBLA and sex with children.

The San FranciscoSentinel was more blunt: "NAMBLA's position on sex is not unreasonable, just unpopular. When a 14 year old gay boy approaches a man for sex, it's because he wants sex with a man."

There are huge LGBTQ "outreach" programs (read "grooming") that have swept through public schools the last 10-15 years.

Denial doesn't change the facts. Nobody is saying you are a pedophile and groomer, just that one form of sexual deviancy leads to other forms.

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You keep on changing your points. I can't keep up.

Every time this comes up you all throw out names from decades ago, before I was born in some instances and most before I even knew I was gay. I am NOT responsible for every gay person and I don't belong or lead a gay group. My condemnation of these folks is never enough for you all and you never ask for that, you want me to condemn all gay people - it's never gonna happen.

If you're looking to an org and want to use NAMBLA, how many members are there? Do you think it represents even a fraction of a percent of LGBT? Of course not.

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You can't even admit that there is a problem within the LGBTQ "movement" or "community" so I certainly don't expect you to critically examine the issue. Nobody has asked you to "condemn all gay people" any more than I am asked to "condemn all males" since males commit 99% of all molestation. There is clearly a move by LGBTQ groups to promote and propagandize LGBTQ lifestyle. Gays report being the victim of childhood by same sex perpetrators at much higher rates than heterosexuals, and homosexual molestation (same sex molestation) occurs at much higher rates (estimates vary but 33% is a common #) than than their percent of the population would indicate - homosexuals are far more likely than heterosexuals to molest.

That these facts don't raise any concerns or questions indicate you are simply in denial. Likewise, the Boy Scout and Catholic Church abuse scandals were homosexual abuse scandals. That gays always deny that fact indicate they are trying to hide a secret. Why?

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Hard to argue this point. Very very rarely are pastors and clergy molesting girls. Almost always team gay.

Also, with regards to the Boy Scout stuff...we don't let straight males lead girlscouts on camping trips in the woods...and for the same reason, we should not let gay men lead troops of boys on camping trips in the woods. It's COMMON SENSE...don't care if it offends certain people or if they can't do the basic math.

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Regarding your last paragraph, again i will ask - how does a gay man or group of unaffiliated gay men stop pedophilia they have no knowledge of? That's why your comparison and expectations of gay people are irrelevant. It implies we had the same level of control the Catholic Church leadership did which as you indicate yourself was a totally different level of control.

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I think the LGBT community needs to get a ****load louder about disdain for these people (pedos). It's unfair, but I think the community at large is getting lumped in with a few really bad apples.

The constant ****** story time at the public library is NOT helping the situation, said events seemingly do not get much pushback from the community either.

43rd Street Posse said:

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RWWilson said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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CDUB98 said:

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RWWilson said:

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This is common in the LGBTQ community. Honest ones will admit that man/boy and NAMBLA types are prevalant in the "community". It makes sense. If you are going to openly practice sexual deviancy in one manner - if you are proudly "crossing the line" - why would you stop there?

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Y'all want an example of widespread labeling? Here it is. Plain and simple.

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99% of all sex abuse perpetrators are male. Is that "widespread labeling"? The facts don't hurt my feeling just because I'm a male. It simply illustrates a difference between men and women. Homosexuals and heterosexuals are likewise different. It is simple to see where one type of deviance leads to other types.

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You're not characterizing men or equally important a group you don't belong to as sexual abusers like you did in your initial posts on this thread. Big difference.

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My initial post simply stated a fact. Gay authors and leaders such as Allen Ginsberg, Gayle Rubin, Larry Kramer (founder of ACT-UP), Pat Califia,Jane Rule, Michael Kearns, and Michel Foucault have all written in favor of either NAMBLA or man-boy relationships. Harry Hay, whom many consider the founder of the American homosexual movement, invited NAMBLA members to march with him in the 1993 "March on Washington" gay rights parade. He marched in gay pride parades wearing a shirt emblazoned with the words "NAMBLA walks with me. Leading mainstream homosexual newspapers and magazines such as the Advocate, Edge, Metroline, The Guide, and The San Francisco Sentinel have not only published pro-NAMBLA articles and columns but also many have editorialized in favor of NAMBLA and sex with children.

The San FranciscoSentinel was more blunt: "NAMBLA's position on sex is not unreasonable, just unpopular. When a 14 year old gay boy approaches a man for sex, it's because he wants sex with a man."

There are huge LGBTQ "outreach" programs (read "grooming") that have swept through public schools the last 10-15 years.

Denial doesn't change the facts. Nobody is saying you are a pedophile and groomer, just that one form of sexual deviancy leads to other forms.

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You keep on changing your points. I can't keep up.

Every time this comes up you all throw out names from decades ago, before I was born in some instances and most before I even knew I was gay. I am NOT responsible for every gay person and I don't belong or lead a gay group. My condemnation of these folks is never enough for you all and you never ask for that, you want me to condemn all gay people - it's never gonna happen.

If you're looking to an org and want to use NAMBLA, how many members are there? Do you think it represents even a fraction of a percent of LGBT? Of course not.

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You can't even admit that there is a problem within the LGBTQ "movement" or "community" so I certainly don't expect you to critically examine the issue. Nobody has asked you to "condemn all gay people" any more than I am asked to "condemn all males" since males commit 99% of all molestation. There is clearly a move by LGBTQ groups to promote and propagandize LGBTQ lifestyle. Gays report being the victim of childhood by same sex perpetrators at much higher rates than heterosexuals, and homosexual molestation (same sex molestation) occurs at much higher rates (estimates vary but 33% is a common #) than than their percent of the population would indicate - homosexuals are far more likely than heterosexuals to molest.

That these facts don't raise any concerns or questions indicate you are simply in denial. Likewise, the Boy Scout and Catholic Church abuse scandals were homosexual abuse scandals. That gays always deny that fact indicate they are trying to hide a secret. Why?

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Hard to argue this point. Very very rarely are pastors and clergy molesting girls. Almost always team gay.

Also, with regards to the Boy Scout stuff...we don't let straight males lead girlscouts on camping trips in the woods...and for the same reason, we should not let gay men lead troops of boys on camping trips in the woods. It's COMMON SENSE...don't care if it offends certain people or if they can't do the basic math.

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Again, why is a closeted gay man, especially one that seeks out the most vulnerable because of the parameters their religion places on them, something I'm supposed to address? It's just unbelievable to me all these problems that are for gay people to address according to some of you.

Regarding clergy, that is an issue for their governing bodies to address - including coverups if they are guilty of that.

The Boy Scouts made changes decades ago in this area (I know, I worked for scouts), there is no reason a boy should be at risk if adults hold each other accountable under these policies - pedophiles should have no ability to harm kids whether they are an out gay man, straight man, or "straight man".

I've never denied there are pedophiles among us, but can't imagine the logic you're using to make this a gay man's problem. If you are looking for pedophiles everywhere and you think gay men are pedophiles then I guess you'll see them everywhere you look. There are millions of us, but I don't know any pedophiles.

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Regarding your last paragraph, again i will ask - how does a gay man or group of unaffiliated gay men stop pedophilia they have no knowledge of? That's why your comparison and expectations of gay people are irrelevant. It implies we had the same level of control the Catholic Church leadership did which as you indicate yourself was a totally different level of control.

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I think the LGBT community needs to get a ****load louder about disdain for these people (pedos). It's unfair, but I think the community at large is getting lumped in with a few really bad apples.

The constant ****** story time at the public library is NOT helping the situation, said events seemingly do not get much pushback from the community either.

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Where do you suppose that narrative starts? Maybe your church leaders? Pundits? GOP Politicians?

Be a part of the solution, quit vilifying and creating enemies with people who are just trying to live their lives. I don't expect anyone to address pedophilia unless they suspect it is happening or are witness to it (ie should report it to authorities) or they're in law enforcement. Quit expecting your gay neighbor who works in Purchasing at Company X to be a crime fighter, we may have less in common with these pedophiles than you. Like I said, pedophiles (victims were boys) I knew of in my Texas suburb were married, leaders in their church, etc. They sure as hell weren't on my radar as a gay man.

All these drag events with kids are discussed often, I literally discussed this yesterday with a few gays and the opinion isn't overall favorable like you think - my friends at least all think it is a really stupid hill to die on. The problem is some, like posters on this thread, make it impossible to align with them so can't really pick their side. First of all, nobody is being literally sexually abused at drag story time (can you say that for church?). Second, before drag story time was the problem the same people (we remember) were *****ing about those gays flaunting their gayness with PDA, wanting to get married, etc. It's a slippery slope. Now that doesn't mean we'd condone pedophilia or something extreme, but it's hard to demonstrate real harm from SOME of these events that get people all twisted up on here.

TXAGFAN said:

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Pookers said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Regarding your last paragraph, again i will ask - how does a gay man or group of unaffiliated gay men stop pedophilia they have no knowledge of? That's why your comparison and expectations of gay people are irrelevant. It implies we had the same level of control the Catholic Church leadership did which as you indicate yourself was a totally different level of control.

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I think the LGBT community needs to get a ****load louder about disdain for these people (pedos). It's unfair, but I think the community at large is getting lumped in with a few really bad apples.

The constant ****** story time at the public library is NOT helping the situation, said events seemingly do not get much pushback from the community either.

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Where do you suppose that narrative starts? Maybe your church leaders? Pundits? GOP Politicians?

Be a part of the solution, quit vilifying and creating enemies with people who are just trying to live their lives. I don't expect anyone to address pedophilia unless they suspect it is happening or are witness to it (ie should report it to authorities) or they're in law enforcement. Quit expecting your gay neighbor who works in Purchasing at Company X to be a crime fighter, we may have less in common with these pedophiles than you. Like I said, pedophiles (victims were boys) I knew of in my Texas suburb were married, leaders in their church, etc. They sure as hell weren't on my radar as a gay man.

All these drag events with kids are discussed often, I literally discussed this yesterday with a few gays and the opinion isn't overall favorable like you think - my friends at least all think it is a really stupid hill to die on. The problem is some, like posters on this thread, make it impossible to align with them so can't really pick their side. First of all, nobody is being literally sexually abused at drag story time (can you say that for church?). Second, before drag story time was the problem the same people (we remember) were *****ing about those gays flaunting their gayness with PDA, wanting to get married, etc. It's a slippery slope. Now that doesn't mean we'd condone pedophilia or something extreme, but it's hard to demonstrate real harm from SOME of these events that get people all twisted up on here.

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I don't really have any issue with the normal gays just living their lives. I DO have a problem with all this transgender nonsense getting pushed on children (including high school aged ones). You can tell me all day there's nothing wrong with the story hour events but its quite obvious its grooming to anybody not being obtuse.