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DeSantis is your answer to all of that but you don't want to hear it because his name isn't Trump and he conducts himself as a statesman rather than an Internet troll.

Concerned MAGAs concern is noted.

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DeSantis is going to make senators and representatives grow a spine suddenly? I doubt it DeSantis is a Band-Aid on a wide open wound bleeding all over the place. You're going to have to come up with a lot more options for representation than one guy in one office when you're talking about an entire party.

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Totally agree. One man will not change the government. That's why I like Desantis. He's proven through his record in Florida that he can form a strong coalition throughout all levels of the state government. And he does it quietly.

But to the broader point, we need to either abandon the RNC or give it a complete overhaul. Let's start with the RNC chair. And then fund lots of grassroots orgs with the 100's of millions that the RNC collects. Give it to people on the ground that will be there year in and year out regardless of administration.

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Why do trump lemmings think that someone who did absolutely nothing to "take out the trash" (whatever that means) for four years would somehow actually accomplish it this time? Trump is the swamp and always has been. He's just gotten good at convincing his followers that he's not.

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All of which will be accomplished by DeSantis, who also has much less of a chance to lose to biden than someone who…already lost to biden.

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Really? DeSantis is running on all those things?

Lot of folks, including myself, loved them some Bush '43 and Bush '41. Neither were great on economic issues and were TERRIBLE at managing foreign conflicts.

I like DeSantis and if primary was today he would get my nod. But anointing him the 2nd coming of Trump seems a little... premature.

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Why do trump lemmings think that someone who did absolutely nothing to "take out the trash" (whatever that means) for four years would somehow actually accomplish it this time? Trump is the swamp and always has been. He's just gotten good at convincing his followers that he's not.

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All of which will be accomplished by DeSantis, who also has much less of a chance to lose to biden than someone who…already lost to biden.

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Really? DeSantis is running on all those things?

Lot of folks, including myself, loved them some Bush '43 and Bush '41. Neither were great on economic issues and were TERRIBLE at managing foreign conflicts.

I like DeSantis and if primary was today he would get my nod. But anointing him the 2nd coming of Trump seems a little... premature.

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Who would want the 2nd coming of Trump? Instead of a petulant child who cries and picks fights for no reason I want a President who will lead the country, attempt to hold Congress to task, and most importantly do everything they can to keep government intrusion out of my life.

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Four Seasons Landscaping said:

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Come to the table and what?

Is there an literally anything that would keep trump happy other than him being the candidate?

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Why would they negotiate with trump?


I'm talking about negotiating with the voters. Why don't they adopt the same policies that Trump has and run on that? Why don't we hear more about GOP wanting to clean the swamp? Why don't they adopt some of his fiery attitude and aggressiveness in the face of opposition?

You don't have to placate Trump. You have to court the people that he's won over. And the GOP right now is frankly not doing that at all.

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The GOP and people who typically vote Republican don't want to keep hearing about 'draining the swamp' or any other Trumpism. We want less government, an improving economy, reformed healthcare (nix Obamacare), and immigration reform. Shouting "drain the swamp" at rallies just to get Trumpists hot and bothered doesn't speak to the general voter. The want solid platforms with substantive solutions. Trump was an entertainer. You will never "drain the swam" completely. And you will never get any policies passed by being in constant war against democrats. It's not even remotely realistic

The Party needs to be rebranded completely, it should have made momentous gains in this last cycle yet still holds onto a complete LOSER!

GOP are a bunch of limp wristed, ******ed ******s....if the last 2 elections didn't clue you in, then hopefully this will.

We are being ruled. Period.

Yea, Trump has been Nixoned!

Ironically, Obama and Biden got away with exactly what Nixon tried to get away with, that is irony, no?

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2018, 2020, 2022: all three years Trump's influence has caused a decline in the GOP.

It isn't all just due to voter fraud. It's due to a lack of leadership in the GOP. Trump is not that leader, and neither are McConnell, McCarthy, or Romney-McDaniel.

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Trump filled the void for a time, and the GOP establishment has no one to blame but themselves for creating that void. After McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012...voters had enough of candidates who fought with their own party more than challenging the Democrats. Those kind of leaders didn't care if the Republicans were in the minority.

But...the silver lining here is DeSantis. If it's true the GOP establishment is wanting to get behind him, that's a move in the right direction for the party. Why? Because in the past the establishment would have chosen a Romney/Jeb type...someone who was cordial and statesmen-like. DeSantis is very outspoken about the media, Dem policies, and woke culture. The establishment never would have supported someone like him a few years ago. It took Trump to move them.

The Republican party will not win national elections with a McConnell/McCarthy clone. But they can win with a DeSantis if the DC establishment gets over themselves and goes with another candidate that's willing to take off the gloves.

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Ever considered that maybe he is doing this on purpose?

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LOL

another "Trump is so much smarter than you- he is playing 5th dimension chess" arguments.

it's always either "massive cheating conspiracy", "framed by corrupt USG members", "stable genius" excuses.

it's never Ockhams Razor:

that Trump sucks at politics, is fairly unstable, and an egocentric narcissist billionaire.

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The GOP and people who typically vote Republican don't want to keep hearing about 'draining the swamp' or any other Trumpism. We want less government, an improving economy, reformed healthcare (nix Obamacare), and immigration reform. Shouting "drain the swamp" at rallies just to get Trumpists hot and bothered doesn't speak to the general voter. The want solid platforms with substantive solutions. Trump was an entertainer. You will never "drain the swam" completely. And you will never get any policies passed by being in constant war against democrats. It's not even remotely realistic

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But you will also never be in position to pass policies (or replace bad ones) if you aren't willing to go to war against democrats either. That's how we ended up with Obamacare in the first place, and more government. The lack of spine and "don't rock the boat" mentality is what created the void for Trump to come in and fill.

Just because Trump was overly combative doesn't mean the Republicans need to swing back to the other extreme. Because no matter how much debate there is over the chances of winning with Trump in 2024...we know for a fact that running an elder statesman for the WH is a sure loser for the GOP.

DeSantis needs to be the guy they unite behind. Not another Dole/McCain/Romney.

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I voted for him and I'm at a point where I can't stand him.

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voted for him twice, donated money to his campaigns, waved signs on cold weekends in PA for him.

can't stand him.

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10thYrSr said:

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DeSantis is your answer to all of that but you don't want to hear it because his name isn't Trump and he conducts himself as a statesman rather than an Internet troll.

Concerned MAGAs concern is noted.

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DeSantis is going to make senators and representatives grow a spine suddenly? I doubt it DeSantis is a Band-Aid on a wide open wound bleeding all over the place. You're going to have to come up with a lot more options for representation than one guy in one office when you're talking about an entire party.

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Totally agree. One man will not change the government. That's why I like Desantis. He's proven through his record in Florida that he can form a strong coalition throughout all levels of the state government. And he does it quietly.

But to the broader point, we need to either abandon the RNC or give it a complete overhaul. Let's start with the RNC chair. And then fund lots of grassroots orgs with the 100's of millions that the RNC collects. Give it to people on the ground that will be there year in and year out regardless of administration.

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just send most of your donations to specific individual candidates campaigns at the House, Senate and Presidential level.

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This battle is bigger than 1 cult of personality. There are others who could carry it on more skillfully

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Maybe but that's for the primary to decide. And if Trump does win the primary you can bet your butt there's going to be a bunch of people who are anti-trump who would rather lose than see him win. So the loss is squarely on them not Trump.

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Or, the loss is still on Trump because he is such an obnoxious and overly petulant child that he manages to alienate even those who normally would vote Republican. Trump is to politics what Chernobyl is to nuke power plants. Its best just to stay away.

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Waffledynamics said:

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2018, 2020, 2022: all three years Trump's influence has caused a decline in the GOP.

It isn't all just due to voter fraud. It's due to a lack of leadership in the GOP. Trump is not that leader, and neither are McConnell, McCarthy, or Romney-McDaniel.

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Trump filled the void for a time, and the GOP establishment has no one to blame but themselves for creating that void. After McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012...voters had enough of candidates who fought with their own party more than challenging the Democrats. Those kind of leaders didn't care if the Republicans were in the minority.

But...the silver lining here is DeSantis. If it's true the GOP establishment is wanting to get behind him, that's a move in the right direction for the party. Why? Because in the past the establishment would have chosen a Romney/Jeb type...someone who was cordial and statesmen-like. DeSantis is very outspoken about the media, Dem policies, and woke culture. The establishment never would have supported someone like him a few years ago. It took Trump to move them.

The Republican party will not win national elections with a McConnell/McCarthy clone. But they can win with a DeSantis if the DC establishment gets over themselves and goes with another candidate that's willing to take off the gloves.

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The GOP swamp is not behind Desantis they are using him to slay Trump. Once accomplished it will be on to business as usual. Desantis will comply.

And.... Trump is too old.

We need to drain DC of 80 year olds...

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2018, 2020, 2022: all three years Trump's influence has caused a decline in the GOP.

It isn't all just due to voter fraud. It's due to a lack of leadership in the GOP. Trump is not that leader, and neither are McConnell, McCarthy, or Romney-McDaniel.

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90% of it is a smear campaign by the media, what some would call "the deep state" - FBI, CIA, bad actors in the permanent bureaucracy, etc - and the DNCC. Lazy and stupid people believed their ginned up conspiracies and lies and chose emotions over policies.

It worked. Trump is damaged and can't win a national elections. His support has gone from a strong positive to probably a negative.

He was cheated and treated badly, but it can't be undone. We have to move on with someone else.

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We have to move beyond the view that Trump is a victim of fraud. If only the election was clean, everything would be hunky-dory.

Baloney.

Trump is a victim indeed... of his own behaviors.

He would have fired himself long ago on his Apprentice show for his behaviors and results.

It's time we do it.

Donald -- "you're fired!"

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Trump IS a victim of fraud. I will go to my grave knowing this to be true, whether it is ever "proven" or not. It can't be argued that 4 states changed their laws outside of the process allowed by the Constitution. Fake pipe busting, boarding up the windows, etc. Those happened. Covering up the Hunter laptop by the FBI and the media...that happened. The election was fixed by those and the Zuckerbucks, too.

It can't be undone and who can blame Trump for being mad about it?

That said, after all is considered, Trump is fatally damaged and flawed. He can't win.

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I voted for him and I'm at a point where I can't stand him.

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Except you didn't vote for him, did you, unless it was against Shrillery. You voted for Biden. BIDEN!

It's one thing for people to say I won't support Trump in the primaries in 2024 or even vote 3rd party or abstain, but YOU VOTED FOR BIDEN!

SMDH

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Yesterday said:

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The man has had everything thrown against him. To the point where no one will have his back without the fear of being blackballed. I'd probably lose my mind as well. Miracle he's lasted this long.

Liberals and moderates sold their soul to beat him. And they have. Now we have to choose to keep fighting or win. Terribly dirty game.

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His wounds are all self-inflicted my friend

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Silly comment.

Was the Russia hoax self-inflicted?
Was the "quid pro quo" lie self-inflicted?

I could go on for days.

The Trumpians are such a sad lot these days.

Long gone are the heady days when Glorious Leader was doing.......well, he never did much but his minions seemed to love him for it. And man were they ever obnoxious in their support of President Chunk. Now they are just a sad tattered group whining about how mean people are to their Dear Leader. That they don't see the irony is this is epic.

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Nobody is pretending that.

You're confusing "don't need them" with realizing Trump is probably going to throw another hissy fit and tell them to stay home when he doesn't win.

The same "wing" of the party that told "CMs" they were the problem if they couldn't hold their nose and vote for Trump is going to sit at home and refuse to vote because of their feelings for the man.

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If you can't hold your nose and vote for the R candidate against whatever barking socialist the Dems put up, then YES you are the problem. I voted for Romney and McCain, y'all can vote for Trump.

Voting for a pot head with zero chance is stupid. Voting for Biden should get you shunned from polite society.

Woods comment on Trump is best quote I have ever seen on Texags. All you people against Trump are exactly who Woods is talking about. Own it!

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Woods comment on Trump is best quote I have ever seen on Texags. All you people against Trump are exactly who Woods is talking about. Own it!

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Trying to overthrow the government and trashing the US Constitution is not "draining the swamp."

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And man were they ever obnoxious in their support of President Chunk.

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I would absolutely take 'President Chunk' over the moron we have currently...

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Woods comment on Trump is best quote I have ever seen on Texags. All you people against Trump are exactly who Woods is talking about. Own it!

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Trying to overthrow the government and trashing the US Constitution is not "draining the swamp."

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You still believe this, Aunt Edna?

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We have to move beyond the view that Trump is a victim of fraud. If only the election was clean, everything would be hunky-dory.

Baloney.

Trump is a victim indeed... of his own behaviors.

He would have fired himself long ago on his Apprentice show for his behaviors and results.

It's time we do it.

Donald -- "you're fired!"

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both james woods and your statement can be true.

and i think they both are.

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I don't know...how would you react to the FBI spying on your campaign, the media lying about you all the time, the FBI making up the Russia collusion hoax, for example? I would be pretty angry. And that was just during his candidacy!

LOL, its not "new." This is who he has always been.

Anyway, regardless, glad finally the GOP maybe...just maybe...can shove a stake in this guys heart and get on with it. Trump was an albatross around the neck of the GOP.

DeSantis...on the otherhand...unless I see anything to the contrary, is the guy to lead forward.

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Yesterday said:

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The man has had everything thrown against him. To the point where no one will have his back without the fear of being blackballed. I'd probably lose my mind as well. Miracle he's lasted this long.

Liberals and moderates sold their soul to beat him. And they have. Now we have to choose to keep fighting or win. Terribly dirty game.

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His wounds are all self-inflicted my friend

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Not all, but some

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10thYrSr said:

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Come to the table and what?

Is there an literally anything that would keep trump happy other than him being the candidate?

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Why would they negotiate with trump?


I'm talking about negotiating with the voters. Why don't they adopt the same policies that Trump has and run on that? Why don't we hear more about GOP wanting to clean the swamp? Why don't they adopt some of his fiery attitude and aggressiveness in the face of opposition?

You don't have to placate Trump. You have to court the people that he's won over. And the GOP right now is frankly not doing that at all.

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The GOP and people who typically vote Republican don't want to keep hearing about 'draining the swamp' or any other Trumpism. We want less government, an improving economy, reformed healthcare (nix Obamacare), and immigration reform. Shouting "drain the swamp" at rallies just to get Trumpists hot and bothered doesn't speak to the general voter. The want solid platforms with substantive solutions. Trump was an entertainer. You will never "drain the swam" completely. And you will never get any policies passed by being in constant war against democrats. It's not even remotely realistic

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The federal executive agencies are weaponized against conservatives. The IRS slow-walks our charities. What the FBI did to Trump should have sent lots of people to prison. The legislature lines their pockets with corruption and insider trading. This needs to change. "Drain the swamp" is an important topic. Whether it's top 3 for an individual depends on the individual, but it IS important.

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The Trumpians are such a sad lot these days.

Long gone are the heady days when Glorious Leader was doing.......well, he never did much but his minions seemed to love him for it. And man were they ever obnoxious in their support of President Chunk. Now they are just a sad tattered group whining about how mean people are to their Dear Leader. That they don't see the irony is this is epic.

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Never did much, other than

- bring about a roaring economy through free market policies
- Wave a magic wand to bring back mfg jobs
- get to all-time low unemployment for women, minorities...everybody was doing well in his economy
- solve world peace (Abraham accords)
- get two vaccines effective against the initial strains of COVID in record time. Who knows how many lives that saved world-wide.
- End wars and not start any new ones

But yeah, other that those things "President Chunk" didn't do much.

You could at least be fair, dude.

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Woods comment on Trump is best quote I have ever seen on Texags. All you people against Trump are exactly who Woods is talking about. Own it!

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Trying to overthrow the government and trashing the US Constitution is not "draining the swamp."

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You still believe this, Aunt Edna?

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You have to keep in mind...HE VOTED FOR BIDEN because Trump fought back against people lying about him.

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Nobody is pretending that.

You're confusing "don't need them" with realizing Trump is probably going to throw another hissy fit and tell them to stay home when he doesn't win.

The same "wing" of the party that told "CMs" they were the problem if they couldn't hold their nose and vote for Trump is going to sit at home and refuse to vote because of their feelings for the man.

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Well that sounds like a huge problem that the GOP should be managing! And are they? Have you seen any efforts on the gop's behalf to manage that problem? No! Instead of managing some sort of compromise or resolution or assurances instead they thumb their nose at the Trump wing. All that does is continue to alienate people and lose them the votes that they need.

I'm reading viewpoints on here from people who are treating the Trump camp like some wild teenager who's just out for a spin that'll come back after it's all said and done. They are wrong.

The GOP isn't negotiating from a position of power here.

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Exactly.

I need to see some serious butt kissing to the Trump wing of the party if you want them to go along. Think of them as mini Trumps that need to be wooed.

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Right now there's a lot of people pretending that the GOP doesn't need the Trump wing.

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Nobody is pretending that.

You're confusing "don't need them" with realizing Trump is probably going to throw another hissy fit and tell them to stay home when he doesn't win.

The same "wing" of the party that told "CMs" they were the problem if they couldn't hold their nose and vote for Trump is going to sit at home and refuse to vote because of their feelings for the man.

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Well that sounds like a huge problem that the GOP should be managing! And are they? Have you seen any efforts on the gop's behalf to manage that problem? No! Instead of managing some sort of compromise or resolution or assurances instead they thumb their nose at the Trump wing. All that does is continue to alienate people and lose them the votes that they need.

I'm reading viewpoints on here from people who are treating the Trump camp like some wild teenager who's just out for a spin that'll come back after it's all said and done. They are wrong.

The GOP isn't negotiating from a position of power here.

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Exactly.

I need to see some serious butt kissing to the Trump wing of the party if you want them to go along. Think of them as mini Trumps that need to be wooed.

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So, the Trumpians will only vote for a Republican nominee, say De Santis, if they are wooed and have their ass kissed? If that doesn't happen they will either not vote or vote third party? Interesting. Odd that the Trumpians have suddenly taken on the mantle of the Concerned Moderate.

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Why do trump lemmings think that someone who did absolutely nothing to "take out the trash" (whatever that means) for four years would somehow actually accomplish it this time? Trump is the swamp and always has been. He's just gotten good at convincing his followers that he's not.

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All of which will be accomplished by DeSantis, who also has much less of a chance to lose to biden than someone who…already lost to biden.

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Really? DeSantis is running on all those things?

Lot of folks, including myself, loved them some Bush '43 and Bush '41. Neither were great on economic issues and were TERRIBLE at managing foreign conflicts.

I like DeSantis and if primary was today he would get my nod. But anointing him the 2nd coming of Trump seems a little... premature.

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Trump loses to people like Biden. Lets hope he doesn't have a second coming.

Hopefully we move past the narcissist to someone who actually shows they can govern.

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fka ftc said:

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Why do trump lemmings think that someone who did absolutely nothing to "take out the trash" (whatever that means) for four years would somehow actually accomplish it this time? Trump is the swamp and always has been. He's just gotten good at convincing his followers that he's not.

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All of which will be accomplished by DeSantis, who also has much less of a chance to lose to biden than someone who…already lost to biden.

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Really? DeSantis is running on all those things?

Lot of folks, including myself, loved them some Bush '43 and Bush '41. Neither were great on economic issues and were TERRIBLE at managing foreign conflicts.

I like DeSantis and if primary was today he would get my nod. But anointing him the 2nd coming of Trump seems a little... premature.

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Trump loses to people like Biden. Lets hope he doesn't have a second coming.

Hopefully we move past the narcissist to someone who actually shows they can govern.

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I've got DeSantis on line one.

DeSantis '24