Trump might be reckless but he absolutely had complete and unfettered declassification authority in word and action essentially right up until Biden completed the oath.

So he didn't sign forms releasing those palettes to the GSA (or whatever) to move to storage?

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Support to the Outgoing President and Vice-President

The GSA provides, upon request, services and facilities in support of the transition of each outgoing President and Vice-President. Those services and facilities include space, communication systems, IT support, financial management, human resources management, telephones, parking, furniture, vehicles, office equipment, mail management, and administrative support services (such as payroll, financial services, and contracting). The GSA also works with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), as necessary, to provide support to the former Presidents in the establishment and maintenance of their libraries. These services are only provided in the event of a change of Administration.

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You still haven't figured out that he never exercised that power and declassified them?

etxag02 said:

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"To my knowledge, he has never even been to that storage unit. I don't think anyone in Trump World could tell you what's in that storage unit."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/

He didn't give a hoot and took what he wanted.

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LMAO at the TDS. Obama took an estimated 3 million pages. W and HW took rooms of boxes of files to their libraries. It is assumed there were classified docs inadvertently taken.

Same here. WH Staff packs up files. No one ever persecuted former presidents for this before. This is pure persecution of Trump out of personal hate and revenge, as is your post.

So this is the best they could come up with to distract from other current events.

Twitter: "Turns out, Bidens campaign worked in conjunction with the FBI and Big Tech to actively suppress information (including massive corruption evidence) coming out before the election in order to keep Trump from being re-elected"

Dems: "Trump has even more papers... PAPERS I TELL YOU! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THEY ARE IN STORAGE"

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You still haven't figured out that he never exercised that power and declassified them?

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Again.... what did he need to do to declassify them? Be specific.

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The issue still arises how does one determine if that did or did not happen, as the president's power to go so is in no way constrained by the bureaucratic ability to document and track it. The can essentially declare it through implication by treating it as no longer classified, as long as he was still president when that was done. You could say that is reckless but you can't say it isn't within the explicit executive power to do so at will and not beholden to anyone who works for him to validate.

They can get staffers or whatever if they lied about it to the Feds, but the president himself can simply claim he personally de-facto declassified it all by moving it out of secure storage originally while he was still president and who could contest that? Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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Its not about classified records. Its not even on the list of alleged "crimes". Lord people are dense when they claim he illegally possessed "documents marked classified".

BTW - A President is both a person and a thing (an administration / Office of the Former President). Who is actually possessing these?

Even at Mar-a-Lago, unless they were on his person or in a briefcase (he never carries anything in his hands other than a hot lady and a golf club) then it belongs to the office. Good luck prosecuting him on anything related to government secrets and classified docs.

Its a funny try though.

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etxag02 said:

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"To my knowledge, he has never even been to that storage unit. I don't think anyone in Trump World could tell you what's in that storage unit."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/

He didn't give a hoot and took what he wanted.

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LMAO at the TDS. Obama took an estimated 3 million pages. W and HW took rooms of boxes of files to their libraries. It is assumed there were classified docs inadvertently taken.

Same here. WH Staff packs up files. No one ever persecuted former presidents for this before. This is pure persecution of Trump out of personal hate and revenge, as is your post.

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Is your argument "Trump did it so others must have done it as well"?

What does the president need to do to make a document that leaves the WH with him declassified?

MouthBQ98 said:

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Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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I believe that SCOTUS ruled that the President has the authority to have documents declassified.

My argument would be Trump the person has not done a damn thing here. Your beef is with a GSA employee or an employee of the Office of the Former President, which I believe is staffed with government employees as well. Have fun locking him up.

With everything that a president and former president knows I would consider them classified material. Should they not be allowed to leave the WH too?

I think any former president can request a security briefing at any point if they so desire. It's stupid to treat a former president like some low level employee that has a security clearance, but somehow libs think that's how things operate here. The president is beholden to the un-elected staffers.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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I believe that SCOTUS ruled that the President has the authority to have documents declassified.

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Again... what did he need to do to declassify them?

Dems/Libs could have inserted anything into those pallets of boxes and probably did. They need to keep the harassment up in order to fund raise off their Dimwit Base and to hamstring Trump at the same time.

I would not be surprised if Trump or his staff even had any idea there was a storage unit. Possibly a complete False Flag Op by the Swamp Dwellers.

Does it say he can be constrained by the bureaucracy's ability or willingness to do that on demand and promptly? Is is power limited by some mysterious higher authority than the president that these bureaucrats all work for? It would seem they can place no constraints on his power by "governing it with process", since their authority to do anything is derived from the president.

He gives them the authority to have to wait on them to officially verify his authority? That's just illogical.

But really, this is a bureaucratic failure to control and document on the part of the GSA. It is certainly their employees that packed and handled all the documents.

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Central Committee said:

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etxag02 said:

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"To my knowledge, he has never even been to that storage unit. I don't think anyone in Trump World could tell you what's in that storage unit."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/

He didn't give a hoot and took what he wanted.

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LMAO at the TDS. Obama took an estimated 3 million pages. W and HW took rooms of boxes of files to their libraries. It is assumed there were classified docs inadvertently taken.

Same here. WH Staff packs up files. No one ever persecuted former presidents for this before. This is pure persecution of Trump out of personal hate and revenge, as is your post.

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Is your argument "Trump did it so others must have done it as well"?

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First, Trump did not pack all those boxes. Second with respect to past presidents, the sheer volume of files taken by the presidents' staff would require a suspense of disbelief that there were no classified docs taken.

This is pure hate and retribution directed at Trump on flimsy reasons. Obama and Clinton would never have been treated this way. Sandy Berger was treated better and he was caught stuffing classified files down his pants to steal them from the Archives.

This is hate and revenge. Nothing more.

How some people allow their hatred of that buffoon to totally and completely rob them of their critical thinking skills is incredible.

eric76 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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I believe that SCOTUS ruled that the President has the authority to have documents declassified.

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A. Whether you liked it or not: Trump was acting president when his whitehouse was being cleared out.
B. Trump said he declassified stuff. He could've waved his hand at a moving truck of material and declared in declassified and it'd be so.
C. An acting president isn't required to follow the same classification procedures as others. Including remarking requirements.
D. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Good luck.

This again? Really? And you thought this needed a new thread? Why don't you and Eric start a new forum and you can talk about it 24/7. The obsession is not healthy.

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eric76 said:

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Central Committee said:

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etxag02 said:

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"To my knowledge, he has never even been to that storage unit. I don't think anyone in Trump World could tell you what's in that storage unit."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/

He didn't give a hoot and took what he wanted.

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LMAO at the TDS. Obama took an estimated 3 million pages. W and HW took rooms of boxes of files to their libraries. It is assumed there were classified docs inadvertently taken.

Same here. WH Staff packs up files. No one ever persecuted former presidents for this before. This is pure persecution of Trump out of personal hate and revenge, as is your post.

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Is your argument "Trump did it so others must have done it as well"?

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First, Trump did not pack all those boxes. Second with respect to past presidents, the sheer volume of files taken by the presidents' staff would require a suspense of disbelief that there were no classified docs taken.

This is pure hate and retribution directed at Trump on flimsy reasons. Obama and Clinton would never have been treated this way. Sandy Berger was treated better and he was caught stuffing classified files down his pants to steal them from the Archives.

This is hate and revenge. Nothing more.

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So what you're saying is that this is pure hate and revenge and persecution and TDS? What exactly is a "suspense of disbelief"? If you have a crazy opinion, it usually helps to have a cogent argument. Sounds like your TDS hasn't diminished at all

i don't think trump or his staff were up to anything nefarious here. sounds like they just straight up didn't know what they were supposed to do with classified material.

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it still cracks me up how the Dems fake-outrage about this stuff, yet they and their minions have literally leaked everything related to Trump investigations for over 6 years now.

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I think the outrage from Dems is entirely fake. Their base is literally the least moral, irresponsible, unintelligent class of people that are begging to live in a communist dictatorship and don't care if they play by the rules to attain this fake "utopia".

Personally, I don't care. We fired him .. that was enough for me.

Some people just can't let it go. They spend way too much time and money trying to "get him" and I don't get it. He is history. Let it go.

DeSantis 2024

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My argument would be Trump the person has not done a damn thing here. Your beef is with a GSA employee or an employee of the Office of the Former President, which I believe is staffed with government employees as well. Have fun locking him up.

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My point is completely over your head. Nowhere did I say anything about locking him up for this. My only objection is to the notion that the documents must have been declassified because they were removed from the White House and taken to Florida.

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"Marked classified."

So, the **** what?! As we all know, the President has the power to de-classify.

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Are you suggesting that Biden should declassify them to help out Trump? Should he try to find out which documents they are before doing so?

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I won't suggest what I think of your completely nonsensical post.

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eric76 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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I believe that SCOTUS ruled that the President has the authority to have documents declassified.

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Again... what did he need to do to declassify them?

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He needs to start the process. An important part, I think, of every declassification is for agency employees to go through the documents in order to redact any and all sensitive information contained in them.

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eric76 said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Scotus has already ruled that authority exists.

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I believe that SCOTUS ruled that the President has the authority to have documents declassified.

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A. Whether you liked it or not: Trump was acting president when his whitehouse was being cleared out.
B. Trump said he declassified stuff. He could've waved his hand at a moving truck of material and declared in declassified and it'd be so.
C. An acting president isn't required to follow the same classification procedures as others. Including remarking requirements.
D. The burden of proof is on the accuser. Good luck.

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That's not exactly how that works. And if any president is dumb enough to arbitrarily declassify bulk documents without any knowledge of what those documents included, then our national security needs to be revisited. I don't disagree he HAD the power to declassify documents…but it isn't true that he could have just stood in front of the White House and stated everything in the White House is declassified and just take it home. That would make him the most moronic president ever…(wait for it…)

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There are procedures to declassify documents. Sure, the President can order the documents to be declassified, but that involves those procedures.

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According to whom?

Can you link me to your threads where you expressed your concern about Hillary's bathroom server?

MouthBQ98 said:

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Does it say he can be constrained by the bureaucracy's ability or willingness to do that on demand and promptly? Is is power limited by some mysterious higher authority than the president that these bureaucrats all work for? It would seem they can place no constraints on his power by "governing it with process", since their authority to do anything is derived from the president.

He gives them the authority to have to wait on them to officially verify his authority? That's just illogical.

But really, this is a bureaucratic failure to control and document on the part of the GSA. It is certainly their employees that packed and handled all the documents.

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I would agree with the last paragraph above. I am not trying to blame Trump or anyone else for those documents being there. Once found, they were immediately returned, as it should be. Hopefully, they will learn from that and improve their procedures.

As far as the declassifying of documents, are you saying that there should be no review of documents for declassification in order to redact especially sensitive parts of those documents such as information about the methods used and information that could lead to the determination of who provided us with that information?

If at first you don't find evidence, plant some.

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eric76 said:

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Central Committee said:

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etxag02 said:

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"To my knowledge, he has never even been to that storage unit. I don't think anyone in Trump World could tell you what's in that storage unit."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/07/trump-tower-bedminster-records-search/

He didn't give a hoot and took what he wanted.

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LMAO at the TDS. Obama took an estimated 3 million pages. W and HW took rooms of boxes of files to their libraries. It is assumed there were classified docs inadvertently taken.

Same here. WH Staff packs up files. No one ever persecuted former presidents for this before. This is pure persecution of Trump out of personal hate and revenge, as is your post.

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Is your argument "Trump did it so others must have done it as well"?

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First, Trump did not pack all those boxes. Second with respect to past presidents, the sheer volume of files taken by the presidents' staff would require a suspense of disbelief that there were no classified docs taken.

This is pure hate and retribution directed at Trump on flimsy reasons. Obama and Clinton would never have been treated this way. Sandy Berger was treated better and he was caught stuffing classified files down his pants to steal them from the Archives.

This is hate and revenge. Nothing more.

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You are confused. In this instance, Trump probably didn't know about the presence of the documents.

This is different from those he kept in his office in which it seems clear that he knew about them and wanted to keep them.

People really are dumb aren't they? I'm talking low IQ type dumb

Will someone tell the OP that a president can declassify anything they want .. if he verbally declassified ANYTHING it's his choice

Got him again !