What could possibly go wrong????

EV for battle!



200 miles per charge. As long as we don't engage the hostiles more than 50 miles from base we should be good to go!!!

I wonder how many Seals, Rangers, etc are lining up to ride in this thing?

It does have one thing going for it: it is probably more quiet than a diesel truck!

I'm thinking, and seriously hoping, that these will be used only in and around our bases.

We already have electric motorcycles, boats, ATVs, and similar type stuff. They are not for every roll but they are a lot more quiet than the gas models

Damned progressives have turned out military into a joke.

Sustained combat operations does not allow for charging time. Swappable battery packs and these things might have more value.

They might be valuable for routine short patrols and special operations but the charging issue and range issue will be a problem.

200 miles under optimal conditions can become 100 miles in real world applications pretty quickly.

Imagine Patton being told, "Sorry, sir. Rommel will have to wait. We need an hour to charge the tanks."

Meh, whatever helps with R&D on battery tech.

Can you imagine the Indy 500 where pit stops require recharging the batteries?

Now consider going into battle with one of these things.

You can just change out the packs or depending on the battery technology you can charge a Tesla size 100kwh pack in less than 10 minutes. Plus LTO packs are a ton safer than lithium ion. We have some LTO packs designed to do just this for underground mining

We are getting close to releasing equipment with LTO packs in the oilfield and I know the US military is monitoring. The technology has its place and there is always trade-offs.

What I laugh at is one of the pictures have the truck operating in frozen conditions. Unless that pack has heaters it would not work in frozen conditions using lithium ion batteries.

As a scholar of history, you're probably aware that this actually happened to Patton. He had to take an operational pause because he wasn't allocated enough fuel for his tanks in northwest Europe.

I don't hate this idea, as long as the field testing is rigorous. When the us military is expeditionary, up to 30% of the stuff we send over is bulk fuel. Getting that number down has value, if we don't sacrifice much in capability.

AirborneAg04 said:

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As a scholar of history, you're probably aware that this actually happened to Patton. He had to take an operational pause because he wasn't allocated enough fuel for his tanks in northwest Europe.

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I'd forgotten that story. Would have hated to be in the room when he got that news.

P.U.T.U said:

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We already have electric motorcycles, boats, ATVs, and similar type stuff. They are not for every roll but they are a lot more quiet than the gas models

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Will the Taliban have enough charge stations available to keep the equipment operational?

AirborneAg04 said:

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As a scholar of history, you're probably aware that this actually happened to Patton. He had to take an operational pause because he wasn't allocated enough fuel for his tanks in northwest Europe.

I don't hate this idea, as long as the field testing is rigorous. When the us military is expeditionary, up to 30% of the stuff we send over is bulk fuel. Getting that number down has value, if we don't sacrifice much in capability.

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Likely still will but will be for the generators. Difference is the generators will start being DC instead of AC so the charging is a lot more efficient. We do this in the oilfield already and are working with engine manufacturers. Or have small on-board generators that will likely be the case for applications like this

Ok so we will have trucks carrying batteries that can be quickly swapped. These trucks will also need to be able to charge the batteries. Will need to run on diesel and have a large storage tank. So pretty much a fuel truck?

Trucks carrying batteries or a truck with a DC generator on it. I design both diesel and battery powered systems and there are a lot of applications where I tell the customers that batteries are not the most efficient solution and if you decided to go with it then it is just to check the ESG box or want to do R&D.

Around bases or SOF usage? Makes sense. Long convoys? Hell no. Plus who can diagnose the trucks if they have issues? Well gotta take the time and train guys for that. I know what I am doing and some phases of connecting a high voltage DC battery pack still scares the crap out of me

TXAggie4Christ said:

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Will the Taliban have enough charge stations available to keep the equipment operational?

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Probably at least as many charging stations as other fuel stations that they offered.

How far can they go when heavily armored?

CDUB98 said:

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Damned progressives have turned out military into a joke.

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Our military would crush every other on earth quite easily

Teslag said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Damned progressives have turned out military into a joke.

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Our military would crush every other on earth quite easily

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And they'd do it with flare!

It's only a matter of time until the Army in it's brilliance comes up with some sort of stationary bike to equip units with that can be used all night by intrepid junior enlisted to recharge their canoo's manually/silently.

Clearly these will be utilized by the fobbits in order to get to salsa night

Teslag said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Damned progressives have turned out military into a joke.

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Our military would crush every other on earth quite easily

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As a CPT in the Army. I agree. But seriously the assets, intelligence and capabilities across all services and 3 letters orgs……we are ****ing awesome.

Many have stated that this is what we get when people vote for democrats, people do not vote, thinking that there is a free lunch, soft independents especially women who do no like tough talk, and above all dumb, dumb republicans like Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, etc.

Keep voting that way and see what happens. It likely too late.

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Our military would crush every other on earth quiet, easily

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FIFY

The Army has been doing random R&D and testing like this for quite some time. Sometimes it's legit and sometimes complete BS projects. Don't read too much into this politically

So instead on relying on our logistics to get fuel to our deployed Army, they'll need to provide fuel and generators.

Our enemy will just shoot salt water at us. it will cause our batteries to explode and our equipment to burn...

Electric vehicles are catching on fire due to electrical system failure caused by saltwater storm surge from Hurricane Ian, catching homes on fire, endangering first responders and FL families. I'm calling on EV companies to partner with us to find solutions. We must take action. pic.twitter.com/L4TIuMZNzE

— Jimmy Patronis (@JimmyPatronis) October 11, 2022

Any real conflict or war and we're bombing the electrical infrastructure. How are we going to charge these in the field? Carry around a generator?

We do that already, but that kind of defeats the environmental benefit. Is this just because these are quiet?

P.U.T.U said:

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We already have electric motorcycles, boats, ATVs, and similar type stuff. They are not for every roll but they are a lot more quiet than the gas models

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electric tug boats were the biggest push and they are a big flop. Extremely expensive, and due to charge times you have to buy extras. Market is getting dominated by diesel and hydrogen hybrids. Read an article about an electric ski nautique and it was 500k, compared to the 150k G23 equivalent. For bikes and mopeds sure, but for large applications, be ready to blow some budget Just to have all electric bragging rights.

MGS said:

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So instead on relying on our logistics to get fuel to our deployed Army, they'll need to provide fuel and generators.

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Or build massive power plants in the battlefield.

Teslag said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Damned progressives have turned out military into a joke.

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Our military would crush every other on earth quite easily

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Sure, if you take the politics out of the equation . As stated before, largest military power in the world and we couldn't defeat goat herders with AK's.

TXAggie4Christ said:

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Will the Taliban have enough charge stations available to keep the equipment operational?

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Can we program these things with a self-destruct feature so that if they are captured, the batteries catch fire and burn up the vehicle?

Electric propulsion is a big fat no, few other countries tried them and almost all flopped. Electric steering for some is a yes but there are a lot of factors.

Navy SEAL RIB boats, SDVs, and so forth make sense for the Navy where they need quiet insertion over a determined distance. Same for SOF attacking a target in the night when being deployed close by with a helo, that makes sense. But they are not the end all, be all. They have their applications.

The US Army, along with the other branches, are ceaselessly testing various weapons systems, platforms, etc. in the the race to stay ahead of our adversaries. Testing an electric vehicle and ordering it to put into use on the battlefield are two very different things. Getting upset about this at this juncture is extremely premature.