Guy prolly saved other people from being assaulted or killed in the future, good job.

CrackerJackAg said:

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We absolutely need jurors to nullify stupid laws. It's the reason we have jurors. Otherwise, the state would just convict whenever they felt like it.

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That works both ways. Kate Steinle's murder is out because of jury nullification. I know a cop who got shot in the face and the guy who shot him walked scot free because of jury nullification (a juror didn't want to see someone who looked like her go to prison).

Mas89 said:

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But our state legislature needs to solve the legal debate. Make it completely legal to kill a thief or robber.
Just like if you come out of a restaurant and a thief is stealing the catalytic converters or attempting to steal your vehicle. Should be completely legal to kill him even if he's running away.

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Cops are not allowed to do it, allowing non-LE persons to do it would probably be struck down as unConstitutional.

Wouldn't be a big issue if we just enforced the laws being broken. The judicial system is failing and crime is becoming more prevalent because currently there is no, or just miniscule punishment.

This case if it goes to trial will be won or lost during voir dire.

Since he was not in personal danger of death or serious bodily harm, it is an imperfect self defense case. Was it "reasonable" and "proportionate" to use lethal force in "defense of others" is the question for the jury to decide.

But it also depends on which exact charges are brought. Mansalughter? Not murder? He intended to shoot so it isn't involuntary manslaughter. Reckless endangerment?

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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i bet this dude doesn't get shot if he wasn't trying to rob a store. if i am on the jury he is innocent. don't care he was supposedly fleeing.we need more people willing to stop the bad guys. they are winning in case anyone hasn't been paying attention.

something something something play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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You likely wouldn't ever be picked for the jury. They'd uncover your bias in voir dire. The purpose of the jury is to only make decisions based on the facts presented. You cannot bring your own experience or biases into play. It's how our court system works toward a fair and impartial trial.

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Tell that to the guy in Minnesota who got convicted for committing voluntarily and involuntarily manslaughter on the same person at the same time.

Justin2010 said:

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Don't shoot someone trying to run away.

If you're concealed or open carrying, you have to be smart about these situations.

It's murder. The guy may have been a dirtbag. But imminent threat was not there.

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How do you know he was running away? We do not know that until we see the video

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Bocephus said:

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You can use deadly force to stop a violent felony in Texas. Robbery is a violent felony. Assaulting someone during the commission of a theft is robbery. Unless the guy was shot in the back while attempting to flee the store, I don't see how a grand jury indicts for murder.

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I believe there was already a thread on this. I think he was shot in the back while running away

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But it's also legal to use deadly force to prevent someone escaping after committing a violent felony.

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But it's also legal to use deadly force to prevent someone escaping after committing a violent felony.

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What? Cops can't even do that except under narrow circumstances.

Biden's inflation is bad he was only trying to take what he needed - he is supposed to be able to do that up to $750

You are supposed to let them do it and even offer help if needed

Esteban du Plantier said:

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BluHorseShu said:

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Bocephus said:

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You can use deadly force to stop a violent felony in Texas. Robbery is a violent felony. Assaulting someone during the commission of a theft is robbery. Unless the guy was shot in the back while attempting to flee the store, I don't see how a grand jury indicts for murder.

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I believe there was already a thread on this. I think he was shot in the back while running away

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But it's also legal to use deadly force to prevent someone escaping after committing a violent felony.

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citation needed

At the end the cop says, "Just know at the time of the shooting there was no eminent danger for deadly force"

I wonder if these cops with hot takes on a CIVILIAN using deadly force, also had a hot take on officer Bralisford gunning down Daniel Shaver?

River Bass said:

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No bill.
Guy deserves a medal for protecting innocent life and stopping theft.

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Stopping theft forever from this criminal.

File under DSAF. Did Society A Favor.

Seriously, since Texas went to constitutional carry the requirement for LTC professional classroom training that covered the penal code, when to use deadly force and some shoot don't shoot scenarios and range qualifications were no longer necessary. I'm thinking, this guy, never had a License To Carry, bought a handgun and holster, practiced his quick draw and figured he was good to go.

BlueTaze said:

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At the end the cop says, "Just know at the time of the shooting there was no eminent danger for deadly force"

I wonder if these cops with hot takes on a CIVILIAN using deadly force, also had a hot take on officer Bralisford gunning down Daniel Shaver?

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Every pro-2A absolutist I know thinks Brailsford should be taken out back and eliminated. The police department fired his ass, the Maricopa County DA charged him with second-degree murder, the jury is the one who acquitted him. Blame the stupid ****s on the jury, not the police or DA who did their jobs in this case.

BlueTaze said:

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At the end the cop says, "Just know at the time of the shooting there was no eminent danger for deadly force"

I wonder if these cops with hot takes on a CIVILIAN using deadly force, also had a hot take on officer Bralisford gunning down Daniel Shaver?

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Different department. I do not think Dallas PD should have commented on this incident though.

Alte Schule said:

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File under DSAF. Did Society A Favor.

Seriously, since Texas went to constitutional carry the requirement for LTC professional classroom training that covered the penal code, when to use deadly force and some shoot don't shoot scenarios and range qualifications were no longer necessary. I'm thinking, this guy, never had a License To Carry, bought a handgun and holster, practiced his quick draw and figured he was good to go.

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We should have "Cleared by DSAF" as a viable option