Ive read before that the whole, the world is more dangerous now than when I was a kid thing is a big ole myth.

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aggielostinETX said:

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P.H. Dexippus said:

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I also suspect independent contractor/independent contractor employee status will insulate FedEx from negligent hiring claim. They'll pay something to settle to avoid additional bad trial publicity.

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No it won't. Companies are accountable for the actions of employees and contractors a like.

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Yeah, that's not the law. Employers can be vicariously liable for the acts of their employees while in the course & scope of employment. Horner wasn't a FedEx employee, and kidnapping/murdering little girls (intentional torts) wouldn't be in the scope of his duties as a FedEx employee anyway.

Employers can also be directly liable for negligent hiring/retention, only if the employee's conduct was foreseeable based on a background check of relevant qualifications (I.e.- driving record for a driver). Regardless, this does not apply to the employee of an independent contractor, assuming that's Horner's status.

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I'm in Dallas over the weekend for my daughter's soccer tournament, and just saw the television news reporting this story. The big chyron at the bottom of the screen was FEDEX DRIVER KILLS LITTLE GIRL.

I'm no lawyer so I don't know the specifics of their liability, but I would highly suggest they don't hide behind the technicalities of the law, because the PR fallout would be nightmarish for them. As well it should be, frankly. They can then have whatever is left of the contractor company when the family is done with them.

Plus, I would imagine the family will have no problem finding very high quality attorneys that will volunteer to work on contingency for a piece of the money that is going to be awarded in this case. And a good attorney or 5 can make the law irrelevant (or certainly not an impediment) in this kind of case.

Did the POS give a motive?

From a legal standpoint, FedEx has no liability for a true independent contractor. I don't know facts here so let's assume this man's employer was true independent contractor for FedEx.

FedEx isn't going to try this case. Especially in Wise County. They can settle for a couple million which saves the bad press of a huge verdict at trial. Even when they get that verdict flipped, the news and press can't be undone.

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4:15pm making dinner. I don't believe the step-mom. Track her cell phone and look in nearby bodies of water. Something definitely off about this situation.

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This aged well.
Scary this is how some cases go with detective blinders.

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I'd bet step-mom has something to do with it. Gotta get the ex's kid out of the way. Dad may be in on it as well to keep the new wife happy.

Wouldn't be the first time it's happened that way. I just don't get harming a kid. Give them to someone…

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How so?
Please explain.

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Ive read before that the whole, the world is more dangerous now than when I was a kid thing is a big ole myth.

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I truly believe in the 80's and 90's when we were out and about constantly exploring on bikes, along with hordes of other kids, it was definitely more dangerous. IMO many people are ruining their children and cheating them of the childhood they deserve by going along with this widely accepted and unquestioned myth that the world is a more dangerous place nowadays, and being super protective.

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Four Seasons Landscaping said:

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Did I read something wrong? Sounds like she took a shower and the kid left on her own.

Do you not take showers unless another adult is home?

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If we want to get into details of parenting, specifically my parenting, Im game but it is a derail, and I really try hard to not derail threads.

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Not really a parenting question. I'm sure you are excellent. Just concerned with the lack of empathy for the parents that just lost their child that you seem to want to criticize at this time.

I want you to understand that these things happen to the best parents.

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I have sympathy for them, as it is a completely sad situation but there's duality in situations.. one can feel sorry for someone but still think they have some blame as well. They're not mutually exclusive.

As far as my showering habits, only when the kids are down for a nap or already asleep.

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You really have children? Not trying to make a dig, would just be very surprised.

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Need to find a way for someone in jail to kill him.

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from what I have heard over the last few decades,

Pedos and child murderers don't last very long in prison

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my parents bought my brother and me a go-kart for my 8th (my brother's 7th) Christmas.

we would drive that thing all over the place, going miles from home and be gone for hours.

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And I road my bike to and from school over a mile away starting as a 7 year old, but you and I both know it's different now, and this story is why. There is too much scum running around free in this world

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growing up in Austin and Round Rock in the 70s and early 80s as children we would literally run through forests, ride our bikes a few miles to school,

be outside all day long after school going to friends houses either walking or riding our bikes, playing Army in all the bushes of the neighborhoods and circles in the middle of the night...

in many respects, society was much better then.

Mom posts
https://www.facebook.com/100004852725773/posts/pfbid029tCo87Ph5LKaau9h1nNYwEZavoXFqoKaZa975xYUpXUWePJd5nyWxc2yFhGGok8Dl/?mibextid=cr9u03

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Did the POS give a motive?

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come on bro-

driver accused of rape by another teen abducts pretty blonde haired 7 year old from her house and then dumps her body a few hours later-

what do you think the motive was?!

The first few posts on this thread are why I quit the Idaho murders thread.

There's a recent phenomenon of what I call "True Crime Karens" who consider themselves brilliant detectives because they listen to podcasts and watch 48 hours. It's absolutely unbearable. Some of the drivel these people posit is literally some of the most stupid and idiotic stuff I've ever read.

Yep, that thread turned into the QAnon thread of crime.

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The first few posts on this thread are why I quit the Idaho murders thread.

There's a recent phenomenon of what I call "True Crime Karens" who consider themselves brilliant detectives because they listen to podcasts and watch 48 hours. It's absolutely unbearable. Some of the drivel these people posit is literally some of the most stupid and idiotic stuff I've ever read.

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At least the people on this board aren't trying to ruin their suspects lives yet. Same can't be said for the rest of the internet sleuths out there who decide they have cracked whatever case.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11518965/FedEx-driver-killed-Athena-Strand-7-hit-van-strangled-panicked.html

The FedEx driver accused of abducting and killing a 7-year-old girl last week in Texas told authorities that he strangled her after accidentally hitting her with his van while making a delivery at her home, according to an arrest warrant.

Tanner Lynn Horner, 31, told investigators that Athena Strand wasn't seriously hurt after he hit her while backing up, but he panicked and put her in his van. He said she was talking to him and told him her name.

When Athena began saying she was going to tell her father about the accident, Horner attempted to silence her by breaking her neck and kill her, according to the affidavit.

But Horner said he was unable to break her neck, so he strangled her 'with his bare hands' in his FedEx truck, the affidavit said.

Investigators identified Horner as a suspect by after they learned FedEx had delivered a package at about the time Athena went missing. When they took him in for questioning, Horner told authorities what happened and said he would be willing to take them to the body.

He brought police to a body of water, where Athena's lifeless body was found and identified.

The affidavit also revealed that Horner's FedEx truck was equipped with a video camera. Feeds from the video showed Horner bringing a girl resembling Athena into the truck.

Horner could be seen speaking with with girl inside the truck in the video. It is unclear if he could be seen attacking her in the footage.

The affidavit describes in horrifying detail how Horner murdered the seven-year-old in cold blood.

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String that SOB up

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11518965/FedEx-driver-killed-Athena-Strand-7-hit-van-strangled-panicked.html

The FedEx driver accused of abducting and killing a 7-year-old girl last week in Texas told authorities that he strangled her after accidentally hitting her with his van while making a delivery at her home, according to an arrest warrant.

Tanner Lynn Horner, 31, told investigators that Athena Strand wasn't seriously hurt after he hit her while backing up, but he panicked and put her in his van. He said she was talking to him and told him her name.

When Athena began saying she was going to tell her father about the accident, Horner attempted to silence her by breaking her neck and kill her, according to the affidavit.

But Horner said he was unable to break her neck, so he strangled her 'with his bare hands' in his FedEx truck, the affidavit said.

Investigators identified Horner as a suspect by after they learned FedEx had delivered a package at about the time Athena went missing. When they took him in for questioning, Horner told authorities what happened and said he would be willing to take them to the body.

He brought police to a body of water, where Athena's lifeless body was found and identified.

The affidavit also revealed that Horner's FedEx truck was equipped with a video camera. Feeds from the video showed Horner bringing a girl resembling Athena into the truck.

Horner could be seen speaking with with girl inside the truck in the video. It is unclear if he could be seen attacking her in the footage.

The affidavit describes in horrifying detail how Horner murdered the seven-year-old in cold blood.

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A Fedex Truck in the act of delivering a Fedex package was used in the murder of the girl. Fedex is going to be liable.

Worse than I could have imagined.

Wish i hadn't read that.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11518965/FedEx-driver-killed-Athena-Strand-7-hit-van-strangled-panicked.html

The FedEx driver accused of abducting and killing a 7-year-old girl last week in Texas told authorities that he strangled her after accidentally hitting her with his van while making a delivery at her home, according to an arrest warrant.

Tanner Lynn Horner, 31, told investigators that Athena Strand wasn't seriously hurt after he hit her while backing up, but he panicked and put her in his van. He said she was talking to him and told him her name.

When Athena began saying she was going to tell her father about the accident, Horner attempted to silence her by breaking her neck and kill her, according to the affidavit.

But Horner said he was unable to break her neck, so he strangled her 'with his bare hands' in his FedEx truck, the affidavit said.

Investigators identified Horner as a suspect by after they learned FedEx had delivered a package at about the time Athena went missing. When they took him in for questioning, Horner told authorities what happened and said he would be willing to take them to the body.

He brought police to a body of water, where Athena's lifeless body was found and identified.

The affidavit also revealed that Horner's FedEx truck was equipped with a video camera. Feeds from the video showed Horner bringing a girl resembling Athena into the truck.

Horner could be seen speaking with with girl inside the truck in the video. It is unclear if he could be seen attacking her in the footage.

The affidavit describes in horrifying detail how Horner murdered the seven-year-old in cold blood.

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A Fedex Truck in the act of delivering a Fedex package was used in the murder of the girl. Fedex is going to be liable.

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Truck is owned by the contractor and the guy worked for the contractor.

Damn

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A Fedex Truck in the act of delivering a Fedex package was used in the murder of the girl. Fedex is going to be liable.

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You were wrong the first time you posted this assertion, and now that you have an affidavit showing the scumbag didn't work for FedEx and the vehicle didn't belong to them either, you double down? Give it up already.

Snap his neck at the gallows

FAT SEXY said:

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Is this dude a psychopath or can panic really do that to someone?

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I couldn't see how anyone could panic and do that unless they were already severely unstable.

itsyourboypookie said:

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#AthenaStrand was killed by a known rapist that was contracted to @FedEx. Damn sad day pic.twitter.com/Ad5vE5QrY9

— Corey Thompson (@Roughneck2real) December 3, 2022

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Was the known rapist out on a zero bond? Did he serve his time or some soft sentence by a POS liberal judge?

Curious as to how this dude is out of jail. Convicted rapists are on the streets, no doubt. Curious about this one.

the girl he raped (i think she is 22 now, was 16 at the time) posted that everyone that didn't believe her can eff off, b/c this murder could have been prevented. So i am assuming nothing happened to him at the time.

TexasAggie_02 said:

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the girl he raped (i think she is 22 now, was 16 at the time) posted that everyone that didn't believe her can eff off, b/c this murder could have been prevented. So i am assuming nothing happened to him at the time.

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Not to sound callous but are is there any evidence of rape yet aside from just accusations?
As far as I know murder is the only charge?
I still can't figure out the reason he took her to the back of the van originally?