HBO show about a fictional blip. Like 1% of the world disappears in an instance and the rest of the world is just dealing with the reality that family and friends are gone like a rapture type scenario.

Industries emerge to provide replicas of bodies so people have something to bury, children get exceedingly nihilistic about life, and cults form.

One such cult is all about pissing people off and reminding them of the people they lost. The protagonist, a sheriff, is trying to keep it all together having lost his wife while dealing with this cult.

Spoiler warning and the reason I bring this to the pb:

In the climax of the season, the sheriff kills the local cult leader and the tension is palpable because a fed catches him with the body. He confesses to murdering this leader and the audience is waiting for the shoe to drop. The fed looks at him and gives him a nod and records the death as if it were natural causes. The fed kinda indicates that this is a minor response compared to the other responses he has seen to the cult and you get this sense of an "attaboy."

The point is that when things are extraordinary, society tolerates the reactions to return to social equilibrium. When the pendulum swings too far one way, nature supercedes law on the return swing.

The problem I see is that with all the violence in cities and things being left unprosecuted, unchecked, the pendulum hasn't reached the turn yet. The normal checks on society have been politicized and will only result in a "an opposite and equal reaction."

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My personal belief is that until a huge outcry from the Black community to raise up Black police officers, National Guardsmen, judges, etc. with the expressed purpose of fighting crime, nothing will change.

I'm grateful there is a growing number of Black voices on social media that believe in conservative values and call out the issues of their community.

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will only result in a "an opposite and equal reaction."

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My personal belief is that until a huge outcry from the Black community to raise up Black police officers, National Guardsmen, judges, etc. with the expressed purpose of fighting crime, nothing will change.

I'm grateful there is a growing number of Black voices on social media that believe in conservative values and call out the issues of their community.

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I would point out that many of the people on the trajectory to becoming black judges are individuals who got into law school based on the merit of their color and are tribalists with the desire to weild power rather than to weild justice.

We already see this with certain DAs (even here in Texas.)

Read the Fourth Turning. The societal pendulum swings a full cycle every 80 to 100 years. We are at the far left side now. Things will balance out eventually. Always have, always will.

If what is described is accurate, then when does the pendulum move back right?

The current form of insane liberalism has its roots in the 60s, born mainly of the French philosophers in that decade who pushed a dangerous concept of Post Modernist though that in its simplest form can be described as "nothing is real, question everything".

If, for convenience sake, we say 1960 was the starting point then we should have, at a minimum, 18 more years of this nonsense. And that is the using 80 years. So, perhaps we have another 38 years of this before the swing back occurs if its 100 years.

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I would point out that many of the people on the trajectory to becoming black judges are individuals who got into law school based on the merit of their color and are tribalists with the desire to weild power rather than to weild justice.

We already see this with certain DAs (even here in Texas.)

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That's why I specified "with the expressed purpose". The ones needing to rise up are not the ones we have now.

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Read the Fourth Turning. The societal pendulum swings a full cycle every 80 to 100 years. We are at the far left side now. Things will balance out eventually. Always have, always will.

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I'm curious if technology interrupts the cycle. Elites are implementing extraordinary means of social programming and control the likes of which we have never seen.

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Read the Fourth Turning. The societal pendulum swings a full cycle every 80 to 100 years. We are at the far left side now. Things will balance out eventually. Always have, always will.

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Balance can't last.

Intriguing but weird show. I watched the whole series. Still not sure how I feel about the story line(s).

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Intriguing but weird show. I watched the whole series. Still not sure how I feel about the story line(s).

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The dread and grief of the show is well done.

One of the saved people was Gary Busey.

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Intriguing but weird show. I watched the whole series. Still not sure how I feel about the story line(s).

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The first season is an absolute masterpiece, a truly towering accomplishment in the medium, but it is definitely not an easy watch. The second season is still good, and much more watchable, plus it's in Lockhart which is fun. The third season is just a little dessert course if you made it through the first two.

I can't hear 'Let Your Love Flow' by the Bellamy Brothers without thinking about this show now.

Last I saw her, she married a guy that lives down the hall from me.

In regards to the whole pendulum swinging over time....

How do you explain the real **** hole countries that have been oppressing and killing its citizens for decades? Ie north Korea saw China and USSR correcring or "the pendulum swinging" in the late 50s. They instead doubled down on communism, and have been a ****hole ever since.

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In regards to the whole pendulum swinging over time....

How do you explain the real **** hole countries that have been oppressing and killing its citizens for decades? Ie north Korea saw China and USSR correcring or "the pendulum swinging" in the late 50s. They instead doubled down on communism, and have been a ****hole ever since.

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some pendulums are longer than others

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HBO show about a fictional blip. Like 1% of the world disappears in an instance and the rest of the world is just dealing with the reality that family and friends are gone like a rapture type scenario.

Industries emerge to provide replicas of bodies so people have something to bury, children get exceedingly nihilistic about life, and cults form.

One such cult is all about pissing people off and reminding them of the people they lost. The protagonist, a sheriff, is trying to keep it all together having lost his wife while dealing with this cult.

Spoiler warning and the reason I bring this to the pb:

In the climax of the season, the sheriff kills the local cult leader and the tension is palpable because a fed catches him with the body. He confesses to murdering this leader and the audience is waiting for the shoe to drop. The fed looks at him and gives him a nod and records the death as if it were natural causes. The fed kinda indicates that this is a minor response compared to the other responses he has seen to the cult and you get this sense of an "attaboy."

The point is that when things are extraordinary, society tolerates the reactions to return to social equilibrium. When the pendulum swings too far one way, nature supercedes law on the return swing.

The problem I see is that with all the violence in cities and things being left unprosecuted, unchecked, the pendulum hasn't reached the turn yet. The normal checks on society have been politicized and will only result in a "an opposite and equal reaction."

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Been praying for a very hard right pendulum swing in my lifetime. Never thought I'd be saying that just a few years ago. We might just see one too.

How religious do you want a serious response to be?

Because there is a good doctrine on this but I'm not gonna type it if it's unwanted.

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If what is described is accurate, then when does the pendulum move back right?

The current form of insane liberalism has its roots in the 60s, born mainly of the French philosophers in that decade who pushed a dangerous concept of Post Modernist though that in its simplest form can be described as "nothing is real, question everything".

If, for convenience sake, we say 1960 was the starting point then we should have, at a minimum, 18 more years of this nonsense. And that is the using 80 years. So, perhaps we have another 38 years of this before the swing back occurs if its 100 years.

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this cycle started when we dropped the atomic bombs on japan IMO.

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This speaks to the fundamental problem with this concept. When did the pendulum begin/end it's swing? Some might say 1945 while for others it could be sometime in the 60s or 70s. While not a huge difference in the grand arc of history it could have major ramifications to the individual, such as myself, who might not be around long enough to see the change.

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Read the Fourth Turning. The societal pendulum swings a full cycle every 80 to 100 years. We are at the far left side now. Things will balance out eventually. Always have, always will.

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I agree. Not until blue collar Texans are out of work and not afraid to confront these Antifa weirdos will things change

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How religious do you want a serious response to be?

Because there is a good doctrine on this but I'm not gonna type it if it's unwanted.

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Please respond. In my post above, the area in which I am least decided is my theological response to the show. Its hard for me to formulate a clear response when the show was so strange and murky.

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HBO show about a fictional blip. Like 1% of the world disappears in an instance and the rest of the world is just dealing with the reality that family and friends are gone like a rapture type scenario.

Industries emerge to provide replicas of bodies so people have something to bury, children get exceedingly nihilistic about life, and cults form.

One such cult is all about pissing people off and reminding them of the people they lost. The protagonist, a sheriff, is trying to keep it all together having lost his wife while dealing with this cult.

Spoiler warning and the reason I bring this to the pb:

In the climax of the season, the sheriff kills the local cult leader and the tension is palpable because a fed catches him with the body. He confesses to murdering this leader and the audience is waiting for the shoe to drop. The fed looks at him and gives him a nod and records the death as if it were natural causes. The fed kinda indicates that this is a minor response compared to the other responses he has seen to the cult and you get this sense of an "attaboy."

The point is that when things are extraordinary, society tolerates the reactions to return to social equilibrium. When the pendulum swings too far one way, nature supercedes law on the return swing.

The problem I see is that with all the violence in cities and things being left unprosecuted, unchecked, the pendulum hasn't reached the turn yet. The normal checks on society have been politicized and will only result in a "an opposite and equal reaction."

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The left thinks they can act like this in perpetuity and without consequence....

..... there is a breaking point, and when that happens, they will get their sh*t shoved in.

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How religious do you want a serious response to be?

Because there is a good doctrine on this but I'm not gonna type it if it's unwanted.

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Please respond. In my post above, the area in which I am least decided is my theological response to the show. Its hard for me to formulate a clear response when the show was so strange and murky.

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Been banned for calling out the inconsistency on the tactical thread.

I was responding to another post regarding the pendulum of countries with explicitly evil dictatorships, and if he wanted a religious explanation.

As for the show, IIRC, it was adapted from a book that wasnt about "the Rapture." That being said, the rapture is really 20th century christian fiction. Its not the eschatological understanding of the church (catholic, eastern, protestant.) Ultimately, the show explores the hopelessness of a godless humanism; despair, depression, and coping are themes of the show. If a Christian watches it, there are probably a number of nuggets to appreciate and enjoy.

The main thing I took from that show is that I'd like to play hide the doggie with Carrie Coon

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The main thing I took from that show is that I'd like to play hide the doggie with Carrie Coon

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How she can show her face in Hollywood with that last name is much amusing to me.

Great series. Agree season 1 was exceptional writing and acting. Then it kind of went down but remained good nonetheless. In regards to your question:



I think what is coming is worse then a just a cyclical correction in the swing of the pendulum. We are at a point where people have lost faith in the pendulum. The whole thing is coming down.

We will be very lucky if what arises from the ashes is any sort of representational republic. History shows it is more likely to be a tyrannical faction that rises to power. American exceptionalism will come to an end because we were allowed to become too embarrassed to defend it.

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How religious do you want a serious response to be?

Because there is a good doctrine on this but I'm not gonna type it if it's unwanted.

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Please respond. In my post above, the area in which I am least decided is my theological response to the show. Its hard for me to formulate a clear response when the show was so strange and murky.

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Been banned for calling out the inconsistency on the tactical thread.

I was responding to another post regarding the pendulum of countries with explicitly evil dictatorships, and if he wanted a religious explanation.

As for the show, IIRC, it was adapted from a book that wasnt about "the Rapture." That being said, the rapture is really 20th century christian fiction. Its not the eschatological understanding of the church (catholic, eastern, protestant.) Ultimately, the show explores the hopelessness of a godless humanism; despair, depression, and coping are themes of the show. If a Christian watches it, there are probably a number of nuggets to appreciate and enjoy.

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I know we cannot discuss this on the politics forum, but I have to ask you about this "historical Christian belief of the rapture". There's a few things in Revelation like where John described what obviously sounds like helicopters, the whole world knowing instantly of the martyrs killed at the whaling wall, etc. Does it surprise you that early Christian didn't understand that? It seems like those and other prophecy has only become more clear in the modern age.

I have just heard numerous times about the Rapture, "that's not how the early church deciphered it, so you shouldn't either." Doesn't seem hard to dissect that logic.

I thought this was going to be a movie about Thanksgiving leftovers. I am disappoint.

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"The rapture" violates what is clearly taught.

So the incarnation of Jesus is the first coming. The return of Jesus is the 2nd Coming. Period. Judgement and the new heavens and new earth are ushered in at the 2nd coming. This is basic Christian orthodoxy.

"Rapture" eschatology (theology of last things) is this:

The incarnation of christ is the first coming. His resurrection initiates "the church age." Then in accordance with "meeting Jesus in the sky" (1 thessalonians) the church is raptured during Jesus' 2nd coming. Then for seven year there is a tribulation. And then Jesus returns a 3rd time to truly end everything, and bring the restoration.

To get into the weeds of it, rapture theology is an American invention because protestantism spreading unchecked with unlearned preachers who failed to upholding historical protestant confessions or doctrines. Let me explain:

The reason preachers preach a rapture is because they don't understand the use of the word "israel" in eschatological writings, they immediately think of ethnic jews not "those identified in God (the believing community)" thus the rapture removes the church so that they can make ethnic jews fit into the eschatological language.

Well done OP. I'm not at all interested in the discussion, but great use of the spoiler feature, great introduction and explanation, and great job focusing the topic to politics. Carry on.

Awesome, thanks for the response. I'll be researching this further.

Tried watching Leftovers, so damn slow and weird I couldn't take it anymore.

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If what is described is accurate, then when does the pendulum move back right?

The current form of insane liberalism has its roots in the 60s, born mainly of the French philosophers in that decade who pushed a dangerous concept of Post Modernist though that in its simplest form can be described as "nothing is real, question everything".

If, for convenience sake, we say 1960 was the starting point then we should have, at a minimum, 18 more years of this nonsense. And that is the using 80 years. So, perhaps we have another 38 years of this before the swing back occurs if its 100 years.

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this cycle started when we dropped the atomic bombs on japan IMO.

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This speaks to the fundamental problem with this concept. When did the pendulum begin/end it's swing? Some might say 1945 while for others it could be sometime in the 60s or 70s. While not a huge difference in the grand arc of history it could have major ramifications to the individual, such as myself, who might not be around long enough to see the change.

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Here's the secret - nobody has a clue what will happen in the future.