I agree with this. As both sides get further apart the crazier they have to be because agreeing with anything is a sin. Ben says everybody is super reactionary right now and not genuine in how they really feel. If something happens, team blue has to react one way and team red has to react another way.

Ummm no....historically the first party to militarize and wipe out the opposing leadership of crazy wins.

The voices of reason never do.

See Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba, etc for reference.

Shapiro is not a stupid guy but he has no real feel for the nature of humanity. He suffers from a problem alot of intellectuals do- they are so far removed from the common man in that everyone they interact with is at their same IQ level they have no real idea how normal people perceive, feel, and behave.

And so in regards to what is best for the country or how the public feels he is a VERY poor judge and has been wrong at alot of turns.

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I agree with this. As both sides get further apart the crazier they have to be because agreeing with anything is a sin. Ben says everybody is super reactionary right now and not genuine in how they really feel. If something happens, team blue has to react one way and team red has to react another way.

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They are further apart because the left is now Marxism.

Ben

Ags4DaWin said:

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Ummm no....historically the first party to militarized and wipe out the opposing leadership of crazy wins.

The voices of reason never do.

See Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba, etc for reference.

Shapiro is not a stupid guy but he has no real feel for the nature of humanity. He suffers from a problem alot of intellectuals do- they are so far removed from the common man in that everyone they interact with is at their same IQ level they have no real idea how normal people perceive, feel, and behave.

And so in regards to what is best for the country or how the public feels he is a VERY poor judge amd has been wrong at alot of turns.

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This is correct. As intellectuals go, Jordan Peterson shows a better understanding of human nature and especially the character of Left vs Right in history. But they all suffer a bit from that `so far removed' view--- the lawyers that dominate government exhibit a similar out of touch.

The uniparty already won.

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The uniparty already won.

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Yep, pretty much!

titan said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Ummm no....historically the first party to militarized and wipe out the opposing leadership of crazy wins.

The voices of reason never do.

See Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba, etc for reference.

Shapiro is not a stupid guy but he has no real feel for the nature of humanity. He suffers from a problem alot of intellectuals do- they are so far removed from the common man in that everyone they interact with is at their same IQ level they have no real idea how normal people perceive, feel, and behave.

And so in regards to what is best for the country or how the public feels he is a VERY poor judge amd has been wrong at alot of turns.

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This is correct. As intellectuals go, Jordan Peterson shows a better understanding of human nature and especially the character of Left vs Right in history. But they all suffer a bit from that `so far removed' view--- the lawyers that dominate government exhibit a similar out of touch.

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Shapiro had a spot on projection of midterm results from a few months ago

Democrats will spend next two years convincing us they are middle of the road nice guys, That Biden is buffer for us between radical Marxists of the party, then when re-elected, sheet all over us and tell us to like it.

I recently watched a ****** w two kids and a wife go through airport security.

Shapiro can call Republicans insane all he wants, but it will never be true compared to the party of celebrating 6'3" 245lbs dressed as females raising children.

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I agree with this. As both sides get further apart the crazier they have to be because agreeing with anything is a sin. Ben says everybody is super reactionary right now and not genuine in how they really feel. If something happens, team blue has to react one way and team red has to react another way.

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Team Red never changed. We are still sitting on the political spectrum where we've always been except actually further left on it because we were drug there by Democrats.

Team Blue is insane and has sprinted into unchartered territory that will lead to conflict.

Team Red is simply reacting in disbelief to try and preserve normalcy.

So, he's wrong here. Team Blue will lead us to conflict.

Shapiro was too chicken to mention election transparency and integrity after 2020.

He criticized Musk the other day for saying there might be something more to the Paul Pelosi story.

Trying way too hard to look like the smartest guy in the room.

Dan Scott said:

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I agree with this. As both sides get further apart the crazier they have to be because agreeing with anything is a sin. Ben says everybody is super reactionary right now and not genuine in how they really feel. If something happens, team blue has to react one way and team red has to react another way.

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Horseshoe Theory of Politics

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Shapiro was too chicken to mention election transparency and integrity after 2020.

He criticized Musk the other day for saying there might be something more to the Paul Pelosi story.

Trying way too hard to look like the smartest guy in the room.

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Or ya know maybe he didn't want to spew nonsense

Team blue is all in on their strategy of division and hate. They're brainwashing their voters that R = MAGA = Nazi in order to activate behaviors of vote-blue-nomatter-who and anything-goes-to-stop-hitler.

I don't get how someone who has personally experienced the products of that hate machine doesn't understand that it's an escalating propaganda war.

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Weak sauce video.

Start off with saying that all Shapiro fans defend everything he says. That's not remotely accurate, in fact I would argue the opposite is true. Are there a few hard core supporters that think everything he says is genius? Sure, just as there are for any major personality.

Then one guy can't come up with anything about Shapiro except his whiny voice and calling him names. Then he says he agrees with what he says.

Then you have a couple of minutes of the 3 guys trying to come up with something clever to say and they do a pretty terrible job at it.

Shapiro is a highly intelligent intellectual that has an important voice. He does some things extremely well and he puts his money and reputation behind it. I think he's wrong on several things (Israel can do no wrong, truly understanding the appeal of Trump and falling prey to caricatures of him, elections don't have cheating, etc.) and he can me smug as hell. I'm very glad he's part of the conversation though and he is an excellent listen and perspective.

Republicans are not getting further "right" (whatever that means). The left is almost off the cliff to the left side, which is full govt control of all aspects of life. They just have the media to continue to claim they are "center". The Rs, if anything, have went more to the left and center. There is a reason trump - a New York democrat - had "far right" policies. His immigration policies were probably to the left of Clinton and Biden and even Obama in years past. The left has gone full cookooo. And they want to entrench themselves in power by: filibuster, packing the court, adding DC and PR. They say these things openly, and yet people are still stupid enough to vote for these commies. It's "over" when they finally go too far that sensible Americans revolt (or revolute per the other thread?). When that is, who knows. But when they force people to take an untestedvaccine for something maybe as strong as the flu and half the country is OK with it and wanting people to go to jail or have their kids taken away for not taking a useless jab and OPENLY suppress free speech, I fear we are close.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Ummm no....historically the first party to militarized and wipe out the opposing leadership of crazy wins.

The voices of reason never do.

See Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba, etc for reference.

Shapiro is not a stupid guy but he has no real feel for the nature of humanity. He suffers from a problem alot of intellectuals do- they are so far removed from the common man in that everyone they interact with is at their same IQ level they have no real idea how normal people perceive, feel, and behave.

And so in regards to what is best for the country or how the public feels he is a VERY poor judge amd has been wrong at alot of turns.

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This is correct. As intellectuals go, Jordan Peterson shows a better understanding of human nature and especially the character of Left vs Right in history. But they all suffer a bit from that `so far removed' view--- the lawyers that dominate government exhibit a similar out of touch.

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Shapiro had a spot on projection of midterm results from a few months ago

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That had less to do with human nature and more to do with which counties still had the ballot harvesting/cheating apparatus in place.

You don't need to be able to understand people in order to be able to spot which counties/states still had ballot harvesting.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Ben

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Weak sauce video.

Start off with saying that all Shapiro fans defend everything he says. That's not remotely accurate, in fact I would argue the opposite is true. Are there a few hard core supporters that think everything he says is genius? Sure, just as there are for any major personality.

Then one guy can't come up with anything about Shapiro except his whiny voice and calling him names. Then he says he agrees with what he says.

Then you have a couple of minutes of the 3 guys trying to come up with something clever to say and they do a pretty terrible job at it.

Shapiro is a highly intelligent intellectual that has an important voice. He does some things extremely well and he puts his money and reputation behind it. I think he's wrong on several things (Israel can do no wrong, truly understanding the appeal of Trump and falling prey to caricatures of him, elections don't have cheating, etc.) and he can me smug as hell. I'm very glad he's part of the conversation though and he is an excellent listen and perspective.

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True but his unwillingness to entertain the notion that inappropriate and illegal tactics are being used by the left actually hampers our ability to root it out and fight them.

I applaud that he is trying to bring g back civil discourse.
We needed that 20 years ago to try to prevent the radicalization of the left and bring them back to closer to center where compromise could be had. But it's too late.

Now that 20% of the population has been radicalized by the left that is no longer an option. It is historically almost impossible to recover those people through civil discourse once they have been radicalized.

Ags4DaWin said:

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aggie93 said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Ben

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Weak sauce video.

Start off with saying that all Shapiro fans defend everything he says. That's not remotely accurate, in fact I would argue the opposite is true. Are there a few hard core supporters that think everything he says is genius? Sure, just as there are for any major personality.

Then one guy can't come up with anything about Shapiro except his whiny voice and calling him names. Then he says he agrees with what he says.

Then you have a couple of minutes of the 3 guys trying to come up with something clever to say and they do a pretty terrible job at it.

Shapiro is a highly intelligent intellectual that has an important voice. He does some things extremely well and he puts his money and reputation behind it. I think he's wrong on several things (Israel can do no wrong, truly understanding the appeal of Trump and falling prey to caricatures of him, elections don't have cheating, etc.) and he can me smug as hell. I'm very glad he's part of the conversation though and he is an excellent listen and perspective.

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True but his unwillingness to entertain the notion that inappropriate and illegal tactics are being used by the left actually hampers our ability to root it out and fight them.

I applaud that he is trying to bring g back civil discourse.
We needed that 20 years ago to try to prevent the radicalization of the left and bring them back to closer to center where compromise could be had. But it's too late.

Now that 20% of the population has been radicalized by the left that is no longer an option. It is historically almost impossible to recover those people through civil discourse once they have been radicalized.

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Different messages appeal to different people. Shapiro is one voice he isn't the leader of the conservative movement. I'm fine with him having his own strong opinions and he at least is intellectually honest and admits mistakes. He's not pure though. I would respect the hell out of him for instance if he would do a Sunday Special with Kanye West, that would be fascinating.

Daily Wire is really focused on creating a lot of content for the culture war and they do a hell of a job at it. I don't like all of it and there are things they could do much better but they have an important voice. They will always appeal to the intellectual conservative first, folks that enjoy long form and deep philosophical discussion. That said they are most effective with stuff like "What is a Woman" and I'm interested to see how their kids content turns out.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Ummm no....historically the first party to militarized and wipe out the opposing leadership of crazy wins.

The voices of reason never do.

See Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Chile, Cuba, etc for reference.

Shapiro is not a stupid guy but he has no real feel for the nature of humanity. He suffers from a problem alot of intellectuals do- they are so far removed from the common man in that everyone they interact with is at their same IQ level they have no real idea how normal people perceive, feel, and behave.

And so in regards to what is best for the country or how the public feels he is a VERY poor judge amd has been wrong at alot of turns.

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This is correct. As intellectuals go, Jordan Peterson shows a better understanding of human nature and especially the character of Left vs Right in history. But they all suffer a bit from that `so far removed' view--- the lawyers that dominate government exhibit a similar out of touch.

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Ags4 I agree that he does not have a good feel for human nature but I don't think it's because he does not interact with average IQ folks. I think it's because he's so data driven that ideas like the existence of a "deep state" and "democrats eventually will send us to gulags or roll tanks through the streets" don't really come into view for him.

What empirical evidence do we have that an actual subversive deep state exists? Not much, so it's probably not something to worry about.

What democrat has actually said they want to enslave the populace as much as possible and use military force if necessary? None yet so it's not anything to worry about.

Jordan Peterson's background as a clinical therapist give him a much better feel for human nature and he would tell you the aforementioned items are absolutely something to be concerned with.

Shapiro was actually surprised that Biden viewed the midterm results as a mandate from the people and to go full throttle with more extreme policy! That's what people in power do, Ben….since when do they back off and become more moderate? Since when do they re-assess and try to become more centrist? Never.

Peterson would have absolutely seen this coming.

Ben is great but that is one area where being so data driven has hampered his ability to predict things in the future.

Zarathustra said:

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Shapiro was too chicken to mention election transparency and integrity after 2020.

He criticized Musk the other day for saying there might be something more to the Paul Pelosi story.

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he talks about the transparency and integrity of elections being bad. He just pointed out that their is no proof, by the actual court standards, to prove the election was stolen. This is factual.

He criticized Musk for retweeting from a bad source. So bad that Musk deleted the tweet. That seems like a good criticism.

aggie93 said:

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Ben

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Weak sauce video.

Start off with saying that all Shapiro fans defend everything he says. That's not remotely accurate, in fact I would argue the opposite is true. Are there a few hard core supporters that think everything he says is genius? Sure, just as there are for any major personality.

Then one guy can't come up with anything about Shapiro except his whiny voice and calling him names. Then he says he agrees with what he says.

Then you have a couple of minutes of the 3 guys trying to come up with something clever to say and they do a pretty terrible job at it.

Shapiro is a highly intelligent intellectual that has an important voice. He does some things extremely well and he puts his money and reputation behind it. I think he's wrong on several things (Israel can do no wrong, truly understanding the appeal of Trump and falling prey to caricatures of him, elections don't have cheating, etc.) and he can me smug as hell. I'm very glad he's part of the conversation though and he is an excellent listen and perspective.

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Think you proved the point...

He's got a whiney voice.

And can be right.

But is unwatchable If he's unlistenable

I believe Shapiro was referring to becoming "sane" for the people who will win you the election.

The left has been running an insurgency in this country since the 60's. They have been fighting to sway the populace towards their direction; They have been doing this as a long term fight. The left has driven democrats way left.

25-30% of the voting populace will vote democrat, and 25-30% will vote Republican. Assuming both parties do their job and get out their vote, it becomes a wash. The 40-50% in the middle, are who decide the elections.

This middle population does not keep up with politics and can be easily swayable. The left uses human emotion to manipulate them. The right tends to view things through a more logical framework. But humans are largely driven by emotion and actually very easy to manipulate (read Bernays "propaganda" and see many examples throughout history (nazi germany etc)).

This group wants normalcy/ "sanity" and if either side came across to them that way, it would be a landslide (see Reagan).

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Republicans are not getting further "right" (whatever that means). The left is almost off the cliff to the left side, which is full govt control of all aspects of life. They just have the media to continue to claim they are "center". The Rs, if anything, have went more to the left and center. There is a reason trump - a New York democrat - had "far right" policies. His immigration policies were probably to the left of Clinton and Biden and even Obama in years past. The left has gone full cookooo. And they want to entrench themselves in power by: filibuster, packing the court, adding DC and PR. They say these things openly, and yet people are still stupid enough to vote for these commies. It's "over" when they finally go too far that sensible Americans revolt (or revolute per the other thread?). When that is, who knows. But when they force people to take an untestedvaccine for something maybe as strong as the flu and half the country is OK with it and wanting people to go to jail or have their kids taken away for not taking a useless jab and OPENLY suppress free speech, I fear we are close.

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This captures it exactly. The italics are worthy of noting especially.

Republicans in Florida and nationally are now praising the governor for strong-arming his own party to approve his congressional maps, which netted Florida Republicans four additional congressional seats on Election Day and essentially helped the GOP win the tiny House majority.

"Republicans in Congress owe a big thank you to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose insistence on redrawing the state's congressional districts led to a four-seat pickup in the U.S. House on Tuesday," said Rep. Vern Buchanan, a Florida Republican who could serve as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee after Republicans assume control of the chamber in January.

"Florida now has 20 Republican members of the House as a result of the governor's insistence on his maps. Only one state has more Republicans in Congress."

"The slim new Republican majority in the House would have been even smaller without Florida," he added.

"The gain in Florida and New York made a big difference for the majority," said Congressional Leadership Fund President Dan Conston. "Florida's new map helped quite a bit."

You don't get anything if you lose.

If you don't do something right now that appeals to the marginal middle or at least sells them on giving your case a try without needlessly repelling them, you won't win and the other side will keep entrenching.

Sometimes you have to tell the middle what they want to hear to win enough of their support. Throw them a bone by at least appearing to moderate on some stances, until after they vote at least. They'll stop paying attention then after a while. The Dems exploit this every election cycle.

Many voters think on the level of a three year old: tell them they can have one piece of candy now, but if they wait 5 minutes, they will get ten pieces. The toddler will always take the one piece now, no matter how much they will lose in the long run.

The same with your average Democrat voter--their raw greed will make them grasp for immediate rewards, or even perceived rewards, though the long term costs are great. The Democratic Party has been highly successful through the use of this unprincipled principle.

Little Rock Ag said:

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Many voters think on the level of a three year old: tell them they can have one piece of candy now, but if they wait 5 minutes, they will get ten pieces. The toddler will always take the one piece now, no matter how much they will lose in the long run.

The same with your average Democrat voter--their raw greed will make them grasp for immediate rewards, or even perceived rewards, though the long term costs are great. The Democratic Party has been highly successful through the use of this unprincipled principle.

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And by extension, the college systems combined with "news" regressing the average voter into a toddler.

Prager was talking about the phenomena that immigrants who come to America for all its promise when they go to college come out hating it more than enemy propaganda does. This was true of a North Korean woman he cited, but she caught onto to it at Columbia University what they were doing.