I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

Job feeds and shelters family. Job provides the society with the productivity required to have things to purchase and the ability to enjoy life with less suffering. People must produce or there will be nothing to consume, and like will be utterly miserable. That means getting work done.

It's fine for each person to decide how much they value their own time. What is not fine is to then demand your neighbors witk extra hard to supplement your own standard of living with government wealth transfers.

yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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In other words, GenZ would rather someone else pay for everything for them so they can "live" which means do absolutely noting productive, sit around on TikTok all day, and whine about how unfair life is.

Save us the trouble and tell us what your previous account name was.

Who says Gen Z doesn't work? How is your social security being paid for then?

That is a great saying ! And very true

financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

financeag96 said:

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Who says Gen Z doesn't work? How is your social security being paid for then?

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It's paid by Millenial's and GenX

Work is not a punishment.

Work is a common good.

The United States becoming the most prosperous nation in world history was no accident.

We move away from a strong work ethic and personal responsibility at our own peril.

RebelE Infantry said:

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

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I just had my 5 year anniversary at my company and got a Yeti 45. Some of you work for terrible people.

I'll take a society with a strong family foundation and moral compass over the top economic country on the planet anyday

financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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I wonder how many people think of work as a four letter word.

There are very few things in life as valuable as the feeling that you've given the day everything you had. If that involves hard, manual labor, even better. Your head will hit the pillow and you'll sleep soundly. So many people will never know that feeling.

financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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Family is more important than a job. That's true. That's also easier to say when you're paid to stay home and not work.

Teslag said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

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I just had my 5 year anniversary at my company and got a Yeti 45. Some of you work for terrible people.

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he gave you 3 hundred bucks, that's hardly anything slick for 5 years. 60/yr lol

RebelE Infantry said:

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

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And yet the CEOs tend to get golden parachutes. Even when they leave with the company prostrate.
Failure is rewarded.

Funny, I first heard my grandpa say that in the 90's when the greatest generation was about retired and the Gen X were the young ones.

Almost as if it's an old vs. young motif that has been going on forever…..

Rapier108 said:

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financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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In other words, GenZ would rather someone else pay for everything for them so they can "live" which means do absolutely noting productive, sit around on TikTok all day, and whine about how unfair life is.

Save us the trouble and tell us what your previous account name was.

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It's AzulAg/Hedge. His writing style betrays himself. Despite the attempt here to misdirect by being "financeag96" to make us think he graduated in 96.

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Teslag said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

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I just had my 5 year anniversary at my company and got a Yeti 45. Some of you work for terrible people.

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he gave you 3 hundred bucks, that's hardly anything slick for 5 years. 60/yr lol

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He doesn't owe me anything for an "anniversary".

financeag96 said:

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I'll take a society with a strong family foundation and moral compass over the top economic country on the planet anyday

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You think strong work ethic is not entertwined with strong family foundation and a moral compass?

A weird take and counter to about 6,000 years of history.

Come look at my aggie ring then homeboy

financeag96 said:

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Come look at my aggie ring then homeboy

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Sorry I'm in Rome.

Work itself is satisfying and rewarding. You are doing something that helps yourself, and in aggregate benefits us all as well as the more we produce, the better all of our lives can be. We get plenty from our employee experiences: pay, benefits, whatever we agree to before we begin work. Some of us are more driven to work as a matter of ego, others of us see work as means to an end, but those are personal choices, and as long as people are responsibly at ready attempting to bear their own burden responsibly without obligating others to do so, I don't see a problem at all with personally choosing lower standards in trade for more freedom.

Rapier108 said:

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financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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In other words, GenZ would rather someone else pay for everything for them so they can "live" which means do absolutely noting productive, sit around on TikTok all day, and whine about how unfair life is.

Save us the trouble and tell us what your previous account name was.

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Please keep this attitude up. It only ensures Republicans will continue to lose elections

Teslag said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is a good point. Company-employee loyalty has been a one way street for far too long. My dad just retired after 35 years with the same company and he got something like a lapel pin and a gift card. For 35 loyal years.

In the vast majority of cases your employer will lay you off and/or replace you without a second thought. What do you owe them beyond the scope of your agreed upon employment?

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I just had my 5 year anniversary at my company and got a Yeti 45. Some of you work for terrible people.

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Good for you I suppose.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that when my dad (very much boomer generation) went to work for this company, retirement after 35 years would have gotten you a gold Rolex or some other appropriate token of appreciation. Somewhere along the line that all changed and he was shuffled out the door with a pittance of a gift and the perfunctory catered lunch and cake. He failed to adapt to this change because I think he really believed in the way things used to be. Quite sad really, but he learned and came out on top with a sweet part time gig.

ETA: Want to point out that work is good and necessary in its own right. But OP is right to point out that it must be kept in proper perspective and not let outsized emphasis on work for its own sake harm the family life.

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financeag96 said:

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Come look at my aggie ring then homeboy

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Sorry I'm in Rome.

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Try to go see a local called `Circus Maxentius' just outside the city walls. Only by seeing the Maxentius do you see ruins well enough preserved to get the idea of the grandeur of a Roman chariot arena. The Maximus in Rome proper only gives you the length -- not much more than a field now. (Though the Palatine palace ruins above are substantial)

Wome!

financeag96 said:

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I'll take a society with a strong family foundation and moral compass over the top economic country on the planet anyday

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Go live in Mexico then. They are pretty big on family down there. They are also pretty big on Cartels and corruption galore. A strong economy is what keeps people civilized and keeps crime down for the most part..

financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is fine if you are willing for the status quo and lack of upward mobility. Again, that's fine and I agree with you. If you do your "job" and do it well than "do X and go home".

But don't ever whine about stagnant pay and lack of promotions.

I spent 23 years in the big corp world and did well before moving on to only do my own thing. But over that 23 years I was Johnny on the spot and it paid off. Not overnight by any means but it paid off.

It's not always fair, often isn't, and some just don't have the right temperament and personality to advance. But if you do, it's worth it.

Right cause there aren't mass shootings on a daily or murders in urban economic centers in America. Just a perfect utopia, city on the hill a la Reagan

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financeag96 said:

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yes but there is no point in going above and beyond for a company if you get nothing in return. Nobody will remember how hard of a worker you are, family will remember you always being at work. I get paid to do X, I do X and go home. Nothing more nothing less

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This is fine if you are willing for the status quo and lack of upward mobility. Again, that's fine and I agree with you. If you do your "job" and do it well than "do X and go home".

But don't ever whine about stagnant pay and lack of promotions.

I spent 23 years in the big corp world and did well before moving on to only do my own thing. But over that 23 years I was Johnny on the spot and it paid off. Not overnight by any means but it paid off.

It's not always fair, often isn't, and some just don't have the right temperament and personality to advance. But if you do, it's worth it.

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Yep, it's the old risk vs. stability dynamic that many simply don't understand and get frustrated by.

If you work for a big company you get the stability of having a solid job that pays decent and is yours as long as you want if you perform well. However you aren't shouldering the risk, the company is. So your reward for working hard is a stable dependable job.

The flip side is that if you work for yourself, or a small outfit where you contribute equity/capital. You take all the risk so it's not exactly the most stable environment to be in, but the rewards are very very high. Your reward for working hard here is more treasure/tangible success but at the cost of stability if you aren't fortunate.

financeag96 said:

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Right cause there aren't mass shootings on a daily or murders in urban economic centers in America. Just a perfect utopia, city on the hill a la Reagan

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Well we don't have war like shooting battles in the streets in broad daylight on the weekly and women getting raped/ murdered by the hundreds while just trying to work in factories and make their way home. The U.S. isn't perfect, but it isn't 3rd world like Juarez, Mexico either...We don't have hit squads of dudes with machine guns pull up to the local politicians house and blow away them and their families just because they won't get in line with the Cartel.....We don't have to have Marshal Law by the military to protect our towns from the Cartel.. We still have some law and order here, and law enforcement that are not completely corrupt yet.

If American citizens and the politicians here don't get more moderate we could easily turn into a place like Mexico. It wasn't radical, extreme weird thinking politicians or people that built this country and our economy into greatness.

nai06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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In other words, GenZ would rather someone else pay for everything for them so they can "live" which means do absolutely noting productive, sit around on TikTok all day, and whine about how unfair life is.

Save us the trouble and tell us what your previous account name was.

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Please keep this attitude up. It only ensures Republicans will continue to lose elections

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That is fine. GenZ will continue to make my coffee and wash my car. The coming recession/depression will teach some hard lessons about paying for necessities.

nai06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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In other words, GenZ would rather someone else pay for everything for them so they can "live" which means do absolutely noting productive, sit around on TikTok all day, and whine about how unfair life is.

Save us the trouble and tell us what your previous account name was.

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Please keep this attitude up. It only ensures Republicans will continue to lose elections

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Nah, Millenials are already shifting right. Happens with every generation. And one day it will happen with Gen Z as they get responsibility. Then their kids will be lazy sacks of **** and so it goes.

financeag96 said:

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I heard a phrase today that resonated with me in terms of the two generations.

Boomers live to work

Gen Z works to live

Covid was arguably a good thing for people to wake up and realize family is more important than a job. Company men are dying and it's a good thing

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Gen Z and Millenials, it started a long time ago.

financeag96 said:

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Who says Gen Z doesn't work? How is your social security being paid for then?

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Not counting on SS. Not even in the calculus. If its around great just gravy. Honestly never thought it would be around when needed.