Turnout cost the R party a win - 56%?

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GenericAggie
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56%. That's it. That's the turnout. Barely half. Dems win the young voter. Always have. They show up.

R's didn't show up enough.

They need a plan to get the constituency to vote.

Yes, there's more to it, a lot more but people are lazy. We will continue to get this outcome until people vote.
Eliminatus
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Pretty sure that 56% is still higher than normal.

But yes, the young vote was much, much higher than expected. It's pretty simple once you look at the core numbers. Under 35 voters destroyed what little chance of a red wave there might have been. Past all the racial demographics this is the most base end all, be all in my eyes.

captkirk
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GenericAggie said:

They show up.
No they don't - their harvested ballots show up
BigRobSA
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As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
titan
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Eliminatus said:

Pretty sure that 56% is still higher than normal.

But yes, the young vote was much, much higher than expected. It's pretty simple once you look at the core numbers. Under 35 voters destroyed what little chance of a red wave there might have been. Past all the racial demographics this is the most base end all, be all in my eyes.


The biting irony of that is they will most feel the full force of the 1930's style economic implosion made likely by allowing Democrats to continue to empower Biden. And any wars his abrasive style starts abroad.
titan
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
You should not have had to this round. The country's law, economic, energy, fiscal, and foreign policies as configured in October 2022 should have been worth voting against, PERIOD. None of the details should have mattered.

And you can't "GET" better candidates. They have to exist. The next major system needs a way where the voters can directly express that wish, something like a "virtual generic candidate" idea for real. A check box or contract or something.
Funky Winkerbean
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
Or, be an adult and vote for policy over personality.
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Eliminatus said:

Pretty sure that 56% is still higher than normal.

But yes, the young vote was much, much higher than expected. It's pretty simple once you look at the core numbers. Under 35 voters destroyed what little chance of a red wave there might have been. Past all the racial demographics this is the most base end all, be all in my eyes.


It's almost as if abortion affects these people the most. Regardless of your position on the issue. Who would have thought.
ApachePilot
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.


This x100000000

There are so many amazing intelligent hard working people in this country and we continue to parade out folks that don't inspire. I think we should start nominating people we all know are the best of us that actually don't want to go.
AgResearch
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Any ACTUAL Republican would have been better than Dr Oz or Hersal Walker
BigRobSA
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titan said:

BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
You should not have had to this round. The country's law, economic, energy, fiscal, and foreign policies as configured in October 2022 should have been worth voting against, PERIOD. None of the details should have mattered.

And you can't "GET" better candidates. They have to exist. The next major system needs a way where the voters can directly express that wish, something like a "virtual generic candidate" idea for real. A check box or contract or something.


They exist, we just need to not let morons like Trump drive the selection and narrative. Oz? Walker? Ridiculous that they were chosen.
titan
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AgResearch said:

Any ACTUAL Republican would have been better than Dr Oz or Hersal Walker
Perhaps, but there is no scenario where a Pelosian/Schumer vote in their place is. That's the point.

Democrat voters see this, to their credit- -- why can't Republican ones?
TXAGFAN
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Blue star for an actual cause of election and not a manufactured one. Wonder why all those young people showed up to vote.
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ApachePilot said:

BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.


This x100000000

There are so many amazing intelligent hard working people in this country and we continue to parade out folks that don't inspire. I think we should start nominating people we all know are the best of us that actually don't want to go.


Are you ping to volunteer for that job? I know I won't nor will many people who actually produce in this country. The main problem is anyone worthy of running the country is smart enough to know they don't want the job
BigRobSA
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titan said:

AgResearch said:

Any ACTUAL Republican would have been better than Dr Oz or Hersal Walker
Perhaps, but there is no scenario where a Pelosian/Schumer vote in their place is. That's the point.

Democrat voters see this, to their credit- -- why can't Republican ones?


We have principles and they're not compromisable. Dems have none...at it shows.
Dan Scott
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Don't pick candidates solely by how loyal they are to Trump. Pick candidates that demonstrate an ability to actually govern rather than rely solely on red meat.

This is so easy. Copy DeSantis and Kemp. Do the exact opposite as Mastriano and Bolduc.
titan
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Still, you have to have a scenario where your canidate wins anyway, even if he is a bad candidate. You have only so much control on who runs and who wins the primary. Once they win, no other details should factor. The seat should.

The Democrats GET this (Fetterman) the Republicans don't.

The New right needs to form a coalition of the sane liberals and non nitpicky right and start winning.
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AgResearch
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+1
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titan said:


Still, you have to have a scenario where your canidate wins anyway, even if he is a bad candidate. You have only so much control on who runs and who wins the primary. Once they win, no other details should factor. The seat should.

The Democrats GET this (Fetterman) the Republicans don't.

The New right needs to form a coalition of the sane liberals and non nitpicky right and start winning.
Fully agree. But people like Murkowski won't accept the outcome of primaries either. This entitlement to "their" public office seat affects both sides.
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.


They elected a vegetable and a dead guy. At some point you have to admit that it was not a quality issue.
TAMU ‘98 Ole Miss ‘21
Dan Scott
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Mastriano lost by 800K votes. Oz lost by 300K votes. Mastriano was so bad he tanked Oz. Fetterman/Shapiro was crappy but not as crappy as Oz/Mastriano because Mastriano was so crappy.
Ag_of_08
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titan said:

BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
You should not have had to this round. The country's law, economic, energy, fiscal, and foreign policies as configured in October 2022 should have been worth voting against, PERIOD. None of the details should have mattered.

And you can't "GET" better candidates. They have to exist. The next major system needs a way where the voters can directly express that wish, something like a "virtual generic candidate" idea for real. A check box or contract or something.


TERM LIMITS. Get the career ******bags out.

I know the Christians will never admit it, but the calls for Christian fundamentalism, and the demands the party platform be focused on religious and social issues, are actively pushing a population that is consistently becoming less religious away. You may not like it, but the Republicans being seen as the party of Christianity is not a positive.
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
I think this partially illustrates the problem. It seems Dems are not hung up on the quality of their candidate -- they voted for Biden and Fetterman. They seem to be focused on issues they care about, period. Conservatives on the other hand will flat out not vote for a candidate that they don't think "deserves" their vote, even if that candidate is preferrable to the Dem candidate in terms of how they would vote on issues. I saw a Georgia voter who voted for the governor but refused to vote for Herschel Walker. I've seen posters on these forums saying they would refuse to vote for Abbott if he won the primary. Thankfully enough people did.

I too would like to see better candidates but you can't withhold your vote when your ideal candidate is not on the ticket. "Moral victories" don't mean squat in the real world.

titan
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Ag_of_08 said:

titan said:

BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.
You should not have had to this round. The country's law, economic, energy, fiscal, and foreign policies as configured in October 2022 should have been worth voting against, PERIOD. None of the details should have mattered.

And you can't "GET" better candidates. They have to exist. The next major system needs a way where the voters can directly express that wish, something like a "virtual generic candidate" idea for real. A check box or contract or something.


TERM LIMITS. Get the career ******bags out.

I know the Christians will never admit it, but the calls for Christian fundamentalism, and the demands the party platform be focused on religious and social issues, are actively pushing a population that is consistently becoming less religious away. You may not like it, but the Republicans being seen as the party of Christianity is not a positive.
Perhaps, but if you separate from what the board discusses, with candidates it came down to more like Youngkin's pushing against the transgressivism agenda, and that is not a loser. In fact, things are getting where the next kind of way fof dealing with it is becoming foreseeble. If you are talking about abortion, can agree with you where the scenarios seemed to include some further ban beyond what Dobbs did.

Quite willing to return to some kind of imposed `all religions co-exist' kind of scenario ala 90's ideals as a way of restoring the public space. But the Dems have a tendency to equate any moral limit in public sphere with some theocratic bent. Certain things should just be behind doors, period, for generation raising purposes.
Waffledynamics
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Get better candidates and a better GOTV apparatus. You know how many texts I got from Democrat GOTV groups? A ton.

You know how many I got from GOP GOTV groups?

0.
FTAggies
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Gen Z already complaining about economy and finding a job and a place to live, going to rofl when they start instituting rent and price controls so they can live in the big cities
Gig'em
aggiehawg
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Waffledynamics said:

Get better candidates and a better GOTV apparatus. You know how many texts I got from Democrat GOTV groups? A ton.

You know how many I got from GOP GOTV groups?

0.
What happened to the RNC's GOTV?
Waffledynamics
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aggiehawg said:

Waffledynamics said:

Get better candidates and a better GOTV apparatus. You know how many texts I got from Democrat GOTV groups? A ton.

You know how many I got from GOP GOTV groups?

0.
What happened to the RNC's GOTV?
What GOTV?

Where were they? No texts, no loud appeals to the fact that our cities are decaying and crime-filled. No outreach. Where was even a shred of appeal to millennials, or Gen Z, or anyone?

As far as I can tell, the GOP planned to let the Democrats do their campaigning for them. That's not acceptable, and there needs to be big leadership change. This is a monumental failure.
aggiehawg
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Waffledynamics said:

aggiehawg said:

Waffledynamics said:

Get better candidates and a better GOTV apparatus. You know how many texts I got from Democrat GOTV groups? A ton.

You know how many I got from GOP GOTV groups?

0.
What happened to the RNC's GOTV?
What GOTV?

Where were they? No texts, no loud appeals to the fact that our cities are decaying and crime-filled. No outreach. Where was even a shred of appeal to millennials, or Gen Z, or anyone?

As far as I can tell, the GOP planned to let the Democrats do their campaigning for them. That's not acceptable, and there needs to be big leadership change. This is a monumental failure.
Gee, I could have sworn I saw Ronna on FNC nearly every morning with Bill and Dana saying the RNC was very involved and working on GOTV. Guess she was lying too.
No Spin Ag
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BigRobSA said:

As usual, GET BETTER CANDIDATES.

Yes, the Dems suck. Their policies are horrible for the country. But, the Rs continue to choose terrible candidates in a lot of the areas.


It really is that simple as picking better candidates. And now that it's beyond obvious that voters don't want Trump or his maga, all the GOP needs to do is get candidates that don't remind them of those two things and they'll start racking up the wins again.
titan
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Waffledynamics said:

aggiehawg said:

Waffledynamics said:

Get better candidates and a better GOTV apparatus. You know how many texts I got from Democrat GOTV groups? A ton.

You know how many I got from GOP GOTV groups?

0.
What happened to the RNC's GOTV?
What GOTV?

Where were they? No texts, no loud appeals to the fact that our cities are decaying and crime-filled. No outreach. Where was even a shred of appeal to millennials, or Gen Z, or anyone?

As far as I can tell, the GOP planned to let the Democrats do their campaigning for them. That's not acceptable, and there needs to be big leadership change. This is a monumental failure.
Sound familar ? To find a humor lining in it all -- 2012 and Ace of Spades "What we learned from the unmitigated disaster known as --- Project Orca." Never have forgotten that (just) rant against Republican and Romney's incompetence in campaigning!
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CondensedFogAggie said:

Eliminatus said:

Pretty sure that 56% is still higher than normal.

But yes, the young vote was much, much higher than expected. It's pretty simple once you look at the core numbers. Under 35 voters destroyed what little chance of a red wave there might have been. Past all the racial demographics this is the most base end all, be all in my eyes.


It's almost as if abortion affects these people the most. Regardless of your position on the issue. Who would have thought.


Yep it's pure evil. I despise these people with every fiber of my being. At times my IG feed is filled with politically clueless soccer moms lamenting that "OMG it has never been more vital to vote democrat…I fear a world in which my daughter is unable to kill my grand babies…we cannot let them live in a handmaids tale nightmare hell scape where they can't kill my offspring! VOTE!!!!"

That is their single issue. Oblivious to the fact that they should really be worried that their daughters might live in a world where you are literally punished or persecuted for believing the "wrong" things…for NOT believing 2+2=5. The only thing that gives me comfort about the hard times ahead for our children, is that these women will be completely unprepared and will feel the pain moreso than many of us.
Ciboag96
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How many R ballots are tossed and not counted?
TXAGFAN
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Ciboag96 said:

How many R ballots are tossed and not counted?
44%
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