It was fabricated by the media so that they could proclaim that losing the house was a major victory for the democrats and a major defeat for Trump. Some of you need to take a step back and recognize how manipulative the media and the socialists are. This was their play all along. We've ousted Pelosi from her gavel and have control over the federal budget. This is not a small thing.

Yea, I believe the cheating is still rampant. No, I don't believe not winning the senate had anything to do with Trump's candidates. Not when you look at Fetterrmen and his hoodie. One thing g democrats do well is circle the wagons to protect their own. Instead of wagons, republicans circle their own with firing squads. This is no different.

The anti-communist vote would only be in play without mass mailing ballots

Historically, 2022 will go down as either an outlier or the election where there was a permanent paradigm shift.

The will of the people as expressed in their vote is irrelevant to the outcome of an election, when the counting is this prolonged and non-transparent.

All conservative pundits were calling for a red wave, so there's that.

Two reasons it didn't happen:
1. Trump candidates
2. Underestimation of the pro-abortion vote.

The elections were still close...Sorry op.

No, I'd have to disagree. There was a lot of optimism for conservatism as a change to the recklessness and foolishness of the last 2 years, but there were electoral and demographic shifts that few people considered or noticed that made big wins more difficult.

Young people have been more throughly indoctrinated with progressive ideological rhetoric in education. Social media has continued to be effective for misinforming many people about economic and political truths. The republicans had a flood of support by numbers and made big gains BUT they were not in the right places to make many gains this cycle in winnning elections. Republicans DID NOT learn from 2020 that they must organize locally and ballot harvest aggressively wherever it is legal. And single women WANT daddy government to secure them financially and ensure they can kill future offspring, and in huge numbers. They are a huge group of relative extremists now that believe they are oppressed when arguably they have exceptional power now. Women represent a considerable majority of college graduates now, for example, and they receive clear institutional favoritism in hiring and promotion currently.

Simply, people have not yet suffered enough as a consequence of their reckless and selfish political stupidity. And we all must suffer together before enough of the leftist fools relent,

Manually managing boxes of ballots between physical locations, and hand counting them is crazy. I'd rather get beat by bipmetric multi-factor ID smart phone voting than mail ballot cheating. At least then all these worthless local officials would be out of a job.

The red wave was based on the generic vote polling. Right now the gop is +4 in the house generic ballot. That exceeds the RCP average. If we had known it would be +4 going in then everyone would have guessed about 235 or so seats for the gop.

This election is weird in that the country overwhelmingly voted for republicans but will have a razor thin majority in the house.

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The red wave was based on the generic vote polling. Right now the gop is +4 in the house generic ballot. That exceeds the RCP average. If we had known it would be +4 going in then everyone would have guessed about 235 or so seats for the gop.

This election is weird in that the country overwhelmingly voted for republicans but will have a razor thin majority in the house.

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2020 and 2022 completely upended all previous conventional wisdom based on historical precedent. The bellwethers of past elections have now all been eliminated.

How that happened and why should have more than a few political historians scratching their heads.

This some Q ***** Or is the media wrong a lot? Think A&m was supposed to be a winning team this year, Hillary was a walk in win, ect ect ect

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All conservative pundits were calling for a red wave, so there's that.

Two reasons it didn't happen:
1. Trump candidates
2. Underestimation of the pro-abortion vote.

The elections were still close...Sorry op.

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You forgot one: Republican leadership EPIC FAIL. Blame Trump all you want... the leadership was AWOL when it comes to this election.

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We've ousted Pelosi from her gavel and have control over the federal budget.

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Not yet.

That's why we should rally behind DeSantis.

Too many free loaders. Remember 61% didnt pay federal income tax. Those are vast majority liberal voters.

That billions FTX digital money laundered back to Democrats fortified 2022. No Zucks bucks needed.

I tend to agree re: narrative. The dems had 36 seats not up for election in the Senate. This election cycle the 2/3 not up heavily favored the democrats. You can't take seats that aren't available.

Taking the house was really the only scope in play.

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The red wave was based on the generic vote polling. Right now the gop is +4 in the house generic ballot. That exceeds the RCP average. If we had known it would be +4 going in then everyone would have guessed about 235 or so seats for the gop.

This election is weird in that the country overwhelmingly voted for republicans but will have a razor thin majority in the house.

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Where are you seeing +4? I thought it had settled in to around +1 or 2 after the west coast votes have been counted.

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That's why we should rally behind DeSantis.

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Here's the thing - DeSantis isn't going to save us. The only means is for people to actually care. But we don't - we really don't. We sat by and watched the state shut us down, accept handouts, indoctrinate our own children, force vaccines, fired people for it, etc. We have politicians who pretend to care about the border but really just grandstand with gimmicks like bussing or calling out Martha vineyard, etc. instead they care more about Ukraine - hell this site cares more about Ukraine that our own nation. Anyways, I guess do what you can but nothing is going to change. We just place our hope in individuals.

OP,

Oddly enough Hannity was wondering about it too, apparently having never pushed it.

Now in a historical probability sense, a red wave was always extremely likely if people voted common sense and interest. Imagine the Warsaw Pact given a simple vote choice to get out from under the rule in the 1980's that is not some kind of trap -- they know its real.

Predicting a bolting vote would not be hard. That is how this year should have been. And possibly was. It looks pretty suspect in the deciding races once again, but there is no arguing the aggregate still shows a basic trend of just a failed notion.

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It was fabricated by the media…

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FoxNews = FakeNews

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The red wave was based on the generic vote polling. Right now the gop is +4 in the house generic ballot. That exceeds the RCP average. If we had known it would be +4 going in then everyone would have guessed about 235 or so seats for the gop.

This election is weird in that the country overwhelmingly voted for republicans but will have a razor thin majority in the house.

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Where are you seeing +4? I thought it had settled in to around +1 or 2 after the west coast votes have been counted.

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Cook political has it right now at 52% to 48%

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Historically, 2022 will go down as either an outlier or the election where there was a permanent paradigm shift.

The will of the people as expressed in their vote is irrelevant to the outcome of an election, when the counting is this prolonged and non-transparent.

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There is nothing that mysterious here, yes the indicators favored red. But this is still part of the post trump backlash, you can't factor roe going down based on historical data you just have to guess. Gen Z voted at nearly the same rate as millennials with a strong Democratic lean. Donald trump is the only republican example they know.

. The GOP has done very little to appeal to two generations of folks who are voting even if not at the rate of gen x or boomers. The republicans won one narrow national popular vote for president in the last 30 years. Before that it flopped back and forth pretty regularly.

You are actually seeing the republicans last longer and do better than they should simply because of population distribution for the senate and a combination of population distribution and gerrymandering in the house. It takes about 56% of the population to elect 50% of the senate Democrat.

Where is the "contract with America" from the GOP? What is their message, their legislative agenda? What are they but people who think dems are bad and too woke based on their own rhetoric?

They used to be able to pretend to be the party of fiscal responsibility-that's dead. Who do you vote for to reduce government spending?

This is how extremely popular (with the poors) leaders like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez won every election despite their countries declining to the gutter. Fair transparent elections with a really informed electorate.

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aggiehawg said:

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Historically, 2022 will go down as either an outlier or the election where there was a permanent paradigm shift.

The will of the people as expressed in their vote is irrelevant to the outcome of an election, when the counting is this prolonged and non-transparent.

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There is nothing that mysterious here, yes the indicators favored red. But this is still part of the post trump backlash, you can factor roe going down based on historical data you just have to guess. Gen Z voted at nearly the same rate as millennials with a strong Democratic lean. Donald trump is the only republican example they know.

. The GOP has done very little to appeal to two generations of folks who are voting even if not at the rate of gen x or boomers. The republicans won one narrow national popular vote for president in the last 30 years. Before that it flopped back and forth pretty regularly.

You are actually seeing the republicans last longer and do better than they should simply because of population distribution for the senate and a combination of population distribution and gerrymandering in the house. It takes about 56% of the population to elect 50% of the senate Democrat.

Where is the "contract with America" from the GOP? What is their message, their legislative agenda? What are they but people who think dems are bad and too woke based on their own rhetoric?

They used to be able to pretend to be the party of fiscal responsibility-that's dead. Who do you vote for to reduce government spending?

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Disagree. Look at Florida.

Florida has strict voter ID, strict laws with severe punishment for voter fraud, no universal mail in balloting, no ballot drop boxes, no counting for days afterwards, no ballot harvesting. What happened?

A red tsunami.

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You are actually seeing the republicans last longer and do better than they should simply because of population distribution for the senate and a combination of population distribution and gerrymandering in the house.

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Except in this election that isn't true. Republicans solidly won the popular vote and house districts won't reflect that.

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Historically, 2022 will go down as either an outlier or the election where there was a permanent paradigm shift.

The will of the people as expressed in their vote is irrelevant to the outcome of an election, when the counting is this prolonged and non-transparent.

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There is nothing that mysterious here, yes the indicators favored red. But this is still part of the post trump backlash, you can factor roe going down based on historical data you just have to guess. Gen Z voted at nearly the same rate as millennials with a strong Democratic lean. Donald trump is the only republican example they know.

. The GOP has done very little to appeal to two generations of folks who are voting even if not at the rate of gen x or boomers. The republicans won one narrow national popular vote for president in the last 30 years. Before that it flopped back and forth pretty regularly.

You are actually seeing the republicans last longer and do better than they should simply because of population distribution for the senate and a combination of population distribution and gerrymandering in the house. It takes about 56% of the population to elect 50% of the senate Democrat.

Where is the "contract with America" from the GOP? What is their message, their legislative agenda? What are they but people who think dems are bad and too woke based on their own rhetoric?

They used to be able to pretend to be the party of fiscal responsibility-that's dead. Who do you vote for to reduce government spending?

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Disagree. Look at Florida.

Florida has strict voter ID, strict laws with severe punishment for voter fraud, no universal mail in balloting, no ballot drop boxes, no counting for days afterwards, no ballot harvesting. What happened?

A red tsunami.

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In other words, the only state that can be sure had deep and effective voting reforms is the one that reflected what the economic, social dysfunction, and lawlessness reality reflected should be the result.

With Texas runner-up because it also did some improvements.

That is food for thought.

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In other words, the only state that can be sure had deep and effective voting reforms is the one that reflected what the economic, social dysfunction, and lawlessness reality reflected should be the result.

With Texas runner-up because it also did some improvements.

That is food for thought.

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There was a red wave out there. But the unsecure election processes in other states opened the door for manipulation. Pure and simple. Florida is proof of that.

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In other words, the only state that can be sure had deep and effective voting reforms is the one that reflected what the economic, social dysfunction, and lawlessness reality reflected should be the result.

With Texas runner-up because it also did some improvements.

That is food for thought.

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There was a red wave out there. But the unsecure election processes in other states opened the door for manipulation. Pure and simple. Florida is proof of that.

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You really see it if you assume for purposes of argument all these "late count" shift races were mostly GOP victories. What does the Senate and House look like if you flip each of these late comers.

The most difficult to fix is the near 100% stranglehold on information due to the wildly biased media (all forms). It's no longer rose committed glasses towards liberals and reluctant agreement with conservatives. It is all out "if a liberal says it then it must be true" with the polar opposite for a conservative. That and academia - decades spent creating that weapon and may take as much to reverse it.

That all leads to mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Liberals have created a world where only they can save you so check this box to be saved. No need to vote in person, the "ain't nobody got time for that" class of low info voters will win every time. Liberals just needed the perfect tool to get them to vote.

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In other words, the only state that can be sure had deep and effective voting reforms is the one that reflected what the economic, social dysfunction, and lawlessness reality reflected should be the result.

With Texas runner-up because it also did some improvements.

That is food for thought.

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There was a red wave out there. But the unsecure election processes in other states opened the door for manipulation. Pure and simple. Florida is proof of that.

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That's not how proof works. When did we get to the point where people simply don't understand when they are guessing and when they are not.

You without evidence of fraud are claiming widespread fraud in all states save one based on a handful of voter restrictions in Florida, which are not all unique to Florida and calling it proof?

We're the pollsters way off in Florida? From what I've seen Florida was accurately predicted. Where they way off in all the other states? How did the pollsters know how much fraud each state had?

Florida won big because of what I'm saying the republicans don't have, good messages and a popular leader. Ron desantis wasn't newly popular he actually started that back in Covid by being the anti lockdown and mask guy. He's the swing factor not unevidenced cheating by only one party.

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The most difficult to fix is the near 100% stranglehold on information due to the wildly biased media (all forms). It's no longer rose committed glasses towards liberals and reluctant agreement with conservatives. It is all out "if a liberal says it then it must be true" with the polar opposite for a conservative. That and academia - decades spent creating that weapon and may take as much to reverse it.

That all leads to mail in ballots and ballot harvesting. Liberals have created a world where only they can save you so check this box to be saved. No need to vote in person, the "ain't nobody got time for that" class of low info voters will win every time. Liberals just needed the perfect tool to get them to vote.

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Yes. Leaving behind much of Ivy Academia and the Left coast media clique is one of the bigger attractions and potential advantages of states detaching. Breaking the power of that batchi is one of the things that go in the + column of national walk-out.

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Florida won big because of what I'm saying the republicans don't have, good messages and a popular leader. Ron desantis wasn't newly popular he actually started that back in Covid by being the anti lockdown and mask guy. He's the swing factor not unevidenced cheating by only one party.

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Florida won big also because they have emphasized election integrity and have the systems in place to protect that.

Maricopa County does not have such safeguards and their election was a complete mess, again.

Guess you dispute that too?

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That's why we should rally behind DeSantis.

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He won't win in 24.
Sure, there will be much enthusiasm and he'll appear to be a shoe in compared to whoever the Dems choose to run. Then strange things will begin to happen on election night and the media will tell us to be prepared for it to take possibly a week to count all the mail in ballots. Then we'll have another dem president. No worries though, as Republicans will begin talking how we'll take the house and senate back in the midterms.

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That's why we should rally behind DeSantis.

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He won't win in 24.
Sure, there will be much enthusiasm and he'll appear to be a shoe in compared to whoever the Dems choose to run. Then strange things will begin to happen on election night and the media will tell us to be prepared for it to take possibly a week to count all the mail in ballots. Then we'll have another dem president. No worries though, as Republicans will begin talking how we'll take the house and senate back in the midterms.

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Actually agree. That's why focus is on the aftermath at present and new faction movements.

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Florida won big because of what I'm saying the republicans don't have, good messages and a popular leader. Ron desantis wasn't newly popular he actually started that back in Covid by being the anti lockdown and mask guy. He's the swing factor not unevidenced cheating by only one party.

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Florida won big also because they have emphasized election integrity and have the systems in place to protect that.

Maricopa County does not have such safeguards and their election was a complte mess, again.

Guess you dispute that too?

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There is literally no evidence for your first claim. It's a hypothesis that can be tested multiple ways and performs poorly in all of them.

Maricopa county is a Slow mess and there is a lot that goes into that. It is also probably the most closely scrutinized county in the US and the last possible place Democrats would actually try something underhanded this election. A mess=\= fraud. Slow =\= fraud.

You'd actually have to be incredibly clever to manage to sneak by significant fraud in maricopa in 2022. I don't think the democrats have anyone gifted enough to pull that off. What mechanism for cheating do you propose is being done that is slipping past virtually every republican in Arizona?

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That's why we should rally behind DeSantis.

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He won't win in 24.
Sure, there will be much enthusiasm and he'll appear to be a shoe in compared to whoever the Dems choose to run. Then strange things will begin to happen on election night and the media will tell us to be prepared for it to take possibly a week to count all the mail in ballots. Then we'll have another dem president. No worries though, as Republicans will begin talking how we'll take the house and senate back in the midterms.

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I don't think he would win in 2024 either. Being a sitting governor is not the best springboard for getting elected President, absent something else affecting a particular race. Carter had the Ford pardon of Nixon. Clinton had the Perot effect and W. barely squeaked into office in 2000.

ETA: Reagan was not a sitting governor when he won in 1980.