I know people are divided between DeSantis and Trump and that's fine, support whoever you want to. And yes I know this guy is a big Trump supporter, I'm just curious to opinions regarding what he is saying.

No need to be snarky and make personal attacks against people for who they support just wondering what you think of THIS clip. I am a huge Trump supporter but I also like DeSantis. The connections of the Obama donors, the Lincoln project, Ryan, Rove.

BS, some truth? Just trying to divide?

DeSantis is being USED by the GOP! pic.twitter.com/nKnX00IjUV

— Sebastian Gorka DrG (@SebGorka) November 12, 2022

The establishment wants to be rid of Trump for numerous reasons, some good, some bad.

Despite the fact that DeSantis is more like Trump when it comes to policies, he is not toxic and destructive. They'd rather have DeSantis than Trump since they know right now a Romney/Cheney/Bush/McCain type is not going to make it out of the primary.

As for Gorka, he is going to ride the Trump train until it goes off the end of the collapsed bridge.

Regardless of what DeSantis has accomplished and what he campaigns on there is a 50% chance he will be a standard liberal Republican as president. Seems like every conservative that rises to the national stage ultimately becomes part of the uni party.

It was the same risk that Trump had.

His trump is only talks it to the cabal system which is the establishment

He is the leader of the rebellion against the establishment and until we defeat it if ever we need trump

Desanus is governing with great policies hes a great conservative hes very effective so far hes a gifted establishment but we don't know until he gets similar more on the national level

You do realize someone could make a YouTube video "linking" Trump to the Clintons and Epstein, right? Don't just believe random partisan YouTube videos. They are chain mail worthy.

Being effective requires that you can't always be "the bull in the China closet." Effective leadership requires a bit more than that. Painting DeSantis as some swamp creature simply because he understands / utilizes that to get stuff done isn't the least bit accurate at this point.

Trump couldn't figure this out and many of his most ardent supporters refuse to acknowledge it.

fightingfarmer09 said:

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Regardless of what DeSantis has accomplished and what he campaigns on there is a 50% chance he will be a standard liberal Republican as president. Seems like every conservative that rises to the national stage ultimately becomes part of the uni party.

It was the same risk that Trump had.

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50% seems like a better chance than most others the last few decades that the "establishment" wanted. I like those odds.

trump and his camp (including gorky) are trying to paint Ron this way. it's all they have after he rolled to re-election.

they are deathly afraid of Rob after his significant victory.

DeSantis was part of the Freedom Caucus group that dethroned John Boehner. He also took out Florida establishment dream candidate Adam Putnam in the primary. Tell me again how the establishment loves Don Ron.

And so what if he is. He's still by far the best choice to win and effectively run the country.

RD is 1000% being used by the GOPe. RD doesn't have the financial resources to break away from establishment PAC money. He can carry the Trump message but won't be allowed to wreck the agencies and party apparatus that it is going to take to get rid of people like McCarthy and McConnell and RNC leadership. I will not vote for RD in a primary should he run against DJT. .

FTAG 2000 said:

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trump and his camp (including gorky) are trying to paint Ron this way. it's all they have after he rolled to re-election.

they are deathly afraid of Rob after his significant victory.

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It's petty and "SAD", but it's what happens when someone is scared sheetless. They all, including Trump, know that the gravy train will dry up when DeSantis becomes the nominee. They couldn't care less about any legacy, because that means one cares more about the country and their party to do anything to damage either. Right now Trump and crew show they couldn't care less about anyone or anything but themselves.

It's real simple: The more stuff like this comes out, the easier it becomes for all but the most extreme maga to dump Trump and get on the DeSantis train. I mean, when you've got Rupert Murdoch and must of the people on Fox News and right wing news papers, the writings on the wall.

DeSantis '24.

Rapier108 said:

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The establishment wants to be rid of Trump for numerous reasons, some good, some bad.

Despite the fact that DeSantis is more like Trump when it comes to policies, he is not toxic and destructive. They'd rather have DeSantis than Trump since they know right now a Romney/Cheney/Bush/McCain type is not going to make it out of the primary.

As for Gorka, he is going to ride the Trump train until it goes off the end of the collapsed bridge.

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as I have mentioned several times, there is no bigger grifter than Seb Gorka

that alone should disqualify Trump

you mean a majority of Republicans support DeSantis?!?

THE HORROR.

maybe McConnell like the rest of us- knows Trump can't win and DeSantis can.

I find it more likely that Desantis is using the establishment, even if the latter thinks they are in control.

Gorka is a grifter who is dependent on Trump to make a living. He wants Trump to be relevant so he can sell his shtick.

valvemonkey91 said:

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RD is 1000% being used by the GOPe. RD doesn't have the financial resources to break away from establishment PAC money. He can carry the Trump message but won't be allowed to wreck the agencies and party apparatus that it is going to take to get rid of people like McCarthy and McConnell and RNC leadership. I will not vote RE in primaries.

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The guy that kicked Disney in the junk is going to be beholden to establishment money? The guy that was part of a coup to dethrone John Boehner won't get rid of McCarthy and McConnell?

Hell, TRUMP is down there in Florida CHEERLEADING for McCarthy for Speaker right now. There is literally no evidence that DeSantis isn't willing to take on entrenched bureaucracy because he literally did it in Florida.

I guess the talking points are out for Trump supporters. Good Lord, this is dumb.

Desantis 2024!!

valvemonkey91 said:

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He can carry the Trump message but won't be allowed to wreck the agencies and party apparatus that it is going to take to get rid of people like McCarthy and McConnell and RNC leadership.

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You're speaking as if Trump wasn't in the White House for four years. He was and didn't do any of that himself. He didn't even try.

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I will not vote for RD in a primary should he run against DJT. .

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No one says you have to but your reasoning sounds less like honest policy difference and more like sycophantic devotion.

I'm starting to think anyone who still supports Trump after this week either

A) has ulterior motives that do not involve a more conservative future for this country in 2024 and beyond, or

B) has invested so much psychological capital into Trump cult of personality that they absolutely cannot acknowledge his massive failures. It would break them. The other side of the "TDS" coin, or

C) is mentally deficient.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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You do realize someone could make a YouTube video "linking" Trump to the Clintons and Epstein, right? Don't just believe random partisan YouTube videos. They are chain mail worthy.

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People can put whatever they want I'm asking you about this particular clip and the exact people he has mentioned. What are your opinions on that?

I see that you couldn't stay away from being snarky.

I don't know if DeSantis is being used or not, but it isn't a smart ploy by the GOPe if he is. Trump talked a good game about the swamp but largely didn't do anything about it. He hired a lot of swamp rats himself.

If the GOPe wanted to continue the swamp, they'd be in favor of Trump -- at least, in theory. DeSantis has a much better record, at least on the level he's been playing on, of removing barriers to getting things done. Trump, for whatever reason didn't do that. At the end of the day, Trump's lasting record was one thing: judicial appointments and not much else. Regulation did go down during his term but it didn't last.

Big "forwards from grandma" vibes

civilaggie2011 said:

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I'm starting to think anyone who still supports Trump after this week either

A) has ulterior motives that do not involve a more conservative future for this country in 2024 and beyond, or

B) has invested so much psychological capital into Trump cult of personality that they absolutely cannot acknowledge his massive failures. It would break them. The other side of the "TDS" coin, or

C) is mentally deficient.

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And yet you didn't comment on the things he mentioned in this clip. You're putting out opinion and insulting people, exactly what I asked not to do.

Did you listen to the clip? What are your comments on what he talked about.

powerbelly said:

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Big "forwards from grandma" vibes

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I get that y'all like to insult me but that's not at all true. He mentions the Obama people now supporting DeSantis, why? Why wouldn't they stay with the Democrats? He mentions the Lincoln project people and Rove and Ryan, why?

I literally asked y'all to look past the insulting opinions and comment on what this exact clip is saying.

Because I don't need to watch the clip to know it's nonsense. Just like any other rational adult. Obviously Trump worshipers don't want to hear the truth.

BigRobSA said:

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I guess the talking points are out for Trump supporters. Good Lord, this is dumb.

Desantis 2024!!

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I get it Rob but what are your comments on what he said? Even if you don't agree with him what about the Obama donor connection, what about the Lincoln project? Does any of that concern you? Or do you just think it's all BS? I've always said from the beginning I like DeSantis as well.

Trump is literally the only politician dumb enough to intentionally fracture his supporters and party supporter. Desantis isn't a dumbass.

powerbelly said:

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Because I don't need to watch the clip to know it's nonsense. Just like any other rational adult. Obviously Trump worshipers don't want to hear the truth.

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I said from the beginning I like DeSantis as well and would happily vote for him. So you're telling me you didn't watch the clip but you've insulted me regarding it. The Obama donor thing doesn't concern you? The Lincoln project and Ryan doesn't concern you? It doesn't give you any questions about the establishment?

Can you at least have the integrity to watch the clip and then comment on it? I know Democrats like to do that, I was hoping most conservatives didn't.

powerbelly said:

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Trump is literally the only politician dumb enough to intentionally fracture his supporters and party supporter. Desantis isn't a dumbass.

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That still has nothing to do with what he said in the clip. I was asking about the specific points in the clip. And yet you're going off on Trump being a dumbass and his supporters being a dumbass. This has nothing to do with that. I even claimed that in the original OP.

I just watched and it was even dumber than I expected.

That video is the definition of nothing. There is nothing of concern or consequence in that video other than a Trump acolyte throwing **** against the wall. Trump is part of the ****ing establishment and has been for decades.

That guy is full of *****

Have the integrity to at least think for yourself

DeSantis is slightly right of the middle,
that's where a lot of non decided and conservative democrats reside.
Trump's policies has us energy independent.
Trump's mouthy diatribes for no gainful reason, offputs many.

Why make this complicated ?????????????????????????????//

Trump got on social media and mindlessly did what he has a history of doing. Trashing any perceived PERSONAL political threat. The GOP, the USA, the conservative movement be damned. The narcissistic jack-ass cant help himself.

The dude has no sense of terms such as, 'us', 'team', 'movement' or anything involving someone other than him.
That dude is all about Donald. Nothing else matters

Get lost Donald

The Lincoln project actively campaigned against DeSantis

https://lincolnproject.us/ron-desantis-bad-for-business/

Teslag said:

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The Lincoln project actively campaigned against DeSantis

https://lincolnproject.us/ron-desantis-bad-for-business/

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Yes, that's good to know.

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BigRobSA said:

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I guess the talking points are out for Trump supporters. Good Lord, this is dumb.

Desantis 2024!!

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I get it Rob but what are your comments on what he said? Even if you don't agree with him what about the Obama donor connection, what about the Lincoln project? Does any of that concern you? Or do you just think it's all BS? I've always said from the beginning I like DeSantis as well.

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Unlike Trump, a liberal, Ron D has shown true leadership skills and actually hired/surrounded himself with top men and acted like a solid conservative. Again, unlike Trump. Gorka is an idiot and I call BS on anything he taints the internet with.

This smacks of insane fear of an actual competitor that Trump can't take down with his moronic drivvel.