blacksox said:

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Don't want an abortion, don't have one. Leave everyone else alone. Small government. Let the women decide.

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Does the baby get a vote?

RebelE Infantry said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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I know you're just making an attempt to mock God, but you'll notice that the Aztec empire was wiped from the face of the earth.

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Every single north and South American empire was and with good reason. Human sacrifice was the norm.

CrottyKid said:

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Literally every part of the liberal agenda has direct ties to excusing individuals from personal responsibility.

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agent-maroon said:

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BAP Enthusiast said:

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Yes birth control sometimes fails, but it's very rare and you should not be completely reliant on birth control to protect yourself anyway. Birth control makes women's cycles pretty regular so you should be able to know when you're ovulating and not.

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Birth Control Comparison Based on Typical Use
Birth control methods can be grouped into different categories and some methods are more effective than others:1

• Natural Methods (not including abstinence): Birth control effectiveness for these methods range from 77%-95%.
• OTC Methods: Birth control effectiveness for these methods range from 72%-88%.
• Prescription Methods: Birth control effectiveness for these methods range between 86%-99.9%.
• Hormonal Methods: Birth control effectiveness for these methods range from 92%-99.9%.
• Permanent Methods: Birth control effectiveness for these methods range from 99.5%-99.9%.

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Birth control failure rates

Birth control failures with methods other than abstinence are anything but rare. Even tubal ligations have an ACOG published failure rate of 1 out of 400. I've personally seen a couple of dozen 2nd attempts at a post-partum tubal.

Not saying one should never roll the dice, but should do so with full knowledge of the odds.

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This is why I said you should not rely only on birth control.

BAP Enthusiast said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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I know you're just making an attempt to mock God, but you'll notice that the Aztec empire was wiped from the face of the earth.

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Every single north and South American empire was and with good reason. Human sacrifice was the norm.

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Yup

Sea Speed said:

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I thought promiscuous women were awesome when I was in college and now that I have daughters, let's just say my views have changed just a tad.

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And now that I have a teenage son that recently acquired a driver's license and seems to be a girl magnet, like you, my views have changed a tad as well. It takes two.

Sea Speed said:

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I thought promiscuous women were awesome when I was in college and now that I have daughters, let's just say my views have changed just a tad.

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Yeah! Try marrying one of those sex crazed women! Not gonna lie, I enjoy not having to ask for sex like you trogs. She demands it!

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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All of these were removed from power in total. Germany was decimated. Soviet Russia is what we now see it to be in Ukraine. Aztecs are obvious.

Yah, I guess it wasn't fire raining from the sky but they have all been neutered in totality. Not sure what your point is

Ever person has these choices:

1. Don't have sex ( guaranteed to not get pregnant)
2. If you do have sex, have sex with someone who you are willing to have a kid with
3. If you want to have sex but not have a kid, take birth control
4. If that doesn't fit your bill, make the guy wear a condom
5. If you literally are to stupid to do any of that, take the morning after pill.
6. If you find yourself in a position to need an actual abortion outside of rape, it's on you and screw you. You chose the situation and you are a murderer.

RebelE Infantry said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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I know you're just making an attempt to mock God, but you'll notice that the Aztec empire was wiped from the face of the earth.

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Blasphemy is a serious sin. Every knee will bow, every younger will confess. There may not be fire in brimstone now, but there will be in hell for the unrepentant baby murderers.

It's really about having the power to spite their fate of being female, which many women view strangely as an unfair curse instead of a special gift. It's a loathing of their own nature and misplaced envy of the "freedom" of being male, which seems to be a misperception of the male condition, though it is arguable that there area many times and places and cultures where males at least superficially appeared to give themselves great advantage as a sex. It's easily as arguable that the biological lot of males has been unfairly miserable in different ways.

planned parenthood has over 1.5 billion dollars in revenue, every year.

Using some accounting gimmickry, they claim most of this is not from abortion, but most of it is from ancillary abortion procedures and tests.

Not a cottage industry, more like a mansion industry.


And there is also fulfilling margaret sanger's vision, as their motivator.

agent-maroon said:

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My math says 0.25%, but yeah that's per session. Statistically speaking you're going to hit one over the fence every 400 times you're at the plate.

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No. It means that some very low percentage of tubal ligations leave a higher probability of the woman getting pregnant. A very high percentage are 100% effective and the woman will never get pregnant no matter how many "sessions"

MouthBQ98 said:

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It's really about having the power to spite their fate of being female, which many women view strangely as an unfair curse instead of a special gift. It's a loathing of their own nature and misplaced envy of the "freedom" of being male, which seems to be a misperception of the male condition, though it is arguable that there area many times and places and cultures where males at least superficially appeared to give themselves great advantage as a sex. It's easily as arguable that the biological lot of males has been unfairly miserable in different ways.

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Yes, that is the perception of women who haven't given birth to a child.

Women who give birth to a child undergo a phenomenal change in their life purpose, gain a sense of fulfillment of nature, and are forever changed. The same can be said for men who are present for the birth of their child.

So ultimately, all of these angry people: women and men, will continue to have internal conflict until they fulfill their natural role. Whether through childbirth or adoption.

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• How effective is laparoscopic sterilization in preventing pregnancy?
Laparoscopic sterilization is highly effective. Depending on how the fallopian tubes are closed, pregnancy rates within 10 years of having the procedure range from 18 out of 1,000 women to 37 out of 1,000 women.

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The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists FAQ

Looks like the 1 out of 400 rate I heard the OB's use when counseling patients was overly optimistic when compared with the current published statistics. Interpret their statistics however you wish.


ETA - the patient counseling I heard was for open incision post-partum tubals which would have a lower failure rate than the laparoscopic tubals cited in the quote above. Bottom line is that one of the higher probability outcomes of sexual intercourse is pregnancy and it doesn't really matter which birth control method that you use. Humans have sex because we like it, but sex exists because organisms must reproduce and nature has had millions of years of natural selection to improve the process. It works.

The Banned said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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All of these were removed from power in total. Germany was decimated. Soviet Russia is what we now see it to be in Ukraine. Aztecs are obvious.

Yah, I guess it wasn't fire raining from the sky but they have all been neutered in totality. Not sure what your point is

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Was that God's doing or man's?

1 out of every 3 pregnancies in Cleveland, OH ends in an abortion.

If you are a growing fetus in Cleveland, the murder rate of your kind is 33%

Evil ****ing *******s.

Yep. Satanic. But it's also about the child sacrifice as well.

Wonderful train wrecks of thought here that will continue to not win elections. Keep it up guys!

GMaster0 said:

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Wonderful train wrecks of thought here that will continue to not win elections. Keep it up guys!

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Elections are a means to an end, not an end in itself.

What good is winning elections if we abandon our moral principles?

Well, if men aren't promiscuous then women don't get knocked up.


Still think offering 1-2k for the five year implant or an IUD is a subject worth thinking about.

Reduces abortions and drops a lot from the welfare rolls

Tanya 93 said:

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Well, if men aren't promiscuous then women don't get knocked up.


Still think offering 1-2k for the five year implant or an IUD is a subject worth thinking about.

Reduces abortions and drops a lot from the welfare rolls

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This is true of course, but the fact of the matter is that women determine the level of sexual morality in a society. Men will rise or sink to meet the standards. And the flipside is that some men will seek to corrupt women's virtue to create an easier path to sex.

This is the way it has always been and why patriarchs kept such a watchful eye on their daughters' virtue. Our forefathers put up such strong hedges around sex for a very good reason. Loose morality can and will raze a civilization as we are learning now.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Sodom & Gomorah will happen again.

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Why didn't it happen when the Soviets controlled Russia? Or Hitler Germany? Or the Communist in China? Or the Aztecs in Mexico? What is God waiting for?

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I know you're just making an attempt to mock God, but you'll notice that the Aztec empire was wiped from the face of the earth.

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That was God and not man? So that would mean that God created birth control.

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What in the world are you talking about?

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Well, the Aztecs were defeated by men and that was apparently similar to God's act with Sodom and Gomorrah. So therefore God had man create birth control.

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No! Do you even know why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed?!

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An ill-advised attempt to corner the salt market?

10thYrSr said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's really about having the power to spite their fate of being female, which many women view strangely as an unfair curse instead of a special gift. It's a loathing of their own nature and misplaced envy of the "freedom" of being male, which seems to be a misperception of the male condition, though it is arguable that there area many times and places and cultures where males at least superficially appeared to give themselves great advantage as a sex. It's easily as arguable that the biological lot of males has been unfairly miserable in different ways.

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Yes, that is the perception of women who haven't given birth to a child.

Women who give birth to a child undergo a phenomenal change in their life purpose, gain a sense of fulfillment of nature, and are forever changed. The same can be said for men who are present for the birth of their child.

So ultimately, all of these angry people: women and men, will continue to have internal conflict until they fulfill their natural role. Whether through childbirth or adoption.

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bwahahaha more than half of women who get abortions are already mothers and a quarter of them are MARRIED but please PLEASE keep loudly proclaiming that only dumb hoors get abortions, i'm sure that'll work out great for you.

Just stop.

It's more about leveling the playing the field between men and women who are "promiscuous" but one gender bears the much higher burden of the consequences typically.

Whether you agree with that or not...fine. But to frame it as "promiscuous"...well, Im sure the Ayatollah would love to welcome you into their ranks.

agjacent said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's really about having the power to spite their fate of being female, which many women view strangely as an unfair curse instead of a special gift. It's a loathing of their own nature and misplaced envy of the "freedom" of being male, which seems to be a misperception of the male condition, though it is arguable that there area many times and places and cultures where males at least superficially appeared to give themselves great advantage as a sex. It's easily as arguable that the biological lot of males has been unfairly miserable in different ways.

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Yes, that is the perception of women who haven't given birth to a child.

Women who give birth to a child undergo a phenomenal change in their life purpose, gain a sense of fulfillment of nature, and are forever changed. The same can be said for men who are present for the birth of their child.

So ultimately, all of these angry people: women and men, will continue to have internal conflict until they fulfill their natural role. Whether through childbirth or adoption.

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bwahahaha more than half of women who get abortions are already mothers and a quarter of them are MARRIED but please PLEASE keep loudly proclaiming that only dumb hoors get abortions, i'm sure that'll work out great for you.

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Link?

RebelE Infantry said:

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Abortion is the natural consequence of separating the procreative act from its end. It is stripped of meaning. And if the act is meaningless, therefore so must be the result of that act.

It is contraceptive mentality taken to its logical end.

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So only have sex to procreate.

Just leave out "female" in the thread title and you're spot on.

Promiscuous girl, wherever you are
I'm all alone, and it's you that I want
Promiscuous boy, you already know
That I'm all yours, what you waiting for?
Promiscuous girl, you're teasin' me
You know what I want, and I got what you need
Promiscuous boy, let's get to the point
'Cause we're on a roll, you ready?

Tex117 said:

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Just stop.

It's more about leveling the playing the field between men and women who are "promiscuous" but one gender bears the much higher burden of the consequences typically.

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So killing babies is for convenience. Nice stand you're taking.

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Whether you agree with that or not...fine. But to frame it as "promiscuous"...well, Im sure the Ayatollah would love to welcome you into their ranks.

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A condescending straw man from a simple mind.

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agjacent said:

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10thYrSr said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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It's really about having the power to spite their fate of being female, which many women view strangely as an unfair curse instead of a special gift. It's a loathing of their own nature and misplaced envy of the "freedom" of being male, which seems to be a misperception of the male condition, though it is arguable that there area many times and places and cultures where males at least superficially appeared to give themselves great advantage as a sex. It's easily as arguable that the biological lot of males has been unfairly miserable in different ways.

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Yes, that is the perception of women who haven't given birth to a child.

Women who give birth to a child undergo a phenomenal change in their life purpose, gain a sense of fulfillment of nature, and are forever changed. The same can be said for men who are present for the birth of their child.

So ultimately, all of these angry people: women and men, will continue to have internal conflict until they fulfill their natural role. Whether through childbirth or adoption.

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bwahahaha more than half of women who get abortions are already mothers and a quarter of them are MARRIED but please PLEASE keep loudly proclaiming that only dumb hoors get abortions, i'm sure that'll work out great for you.

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Link?

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59% have previously given birth
14% are married
31% are cohabitating with a partner
39% are white
62% are religious, mainly catholic, protestant, or evangelical
60% are in their 20s
25% are in their 30s

Oh, and 75% of them are low income, with 49% living below federal poverty level.

The truth is that your "typical" abortion patient is a religious white woman in her 20s in a committed relationship who already has at least one child at home, and can't afford to raise another one.

If republicans were truly "pro-life" they'd be putting money and resources towards lifting women out of poverty and providing them with the means to help them raise children - childcare, healthcare, raising the minimum wage, keeping the child tax credit. We all there's only party actually trying to achieve those things, and it ain't republicans.

(source)

Follow the money. PP and other related business are making money and donating to D.

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If republicans were truly "pro-life" they'd be putting money and resources towards lifting women out of poverty and providing them with the means to help them raise children - childcare, healthcare, raising the minimum wage, keeping the child tax credit. We all there's only party actually trying to achieve those things, and it ain't republicans.

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Tell me more about the wonders of the welfare state.

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agjacent said:

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If republicans were truly "pro-life" they'd be putting money and resources towards lifting women out of poverty and providing them with the means to help them raise children - childcare, healthcare, raising the minimum wage, keeping the child tax credit. We all there's only party actually trying to achieve those things, and it ain't republicans.

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Tell me more about the wonders of the welfare state.

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*shrugs* White people are the ones getting smoked in the birth rate. if republicans have no interest in things like universal day care or health care for all children or a living wage, because they call it "the welfare state" then fine. Enjoy your low birth rates.

agjacent said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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agjacent said:

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If republicans were truly "pro-life" they'd be putting money and resources towards lifting women out of poverty and providing them with the means to help them raise children - childcare, healthcare, raising the minimum wage, keeping the child tax credit. We all there's only party actually trying to achieve those things, and it ain't republicans.

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Tell me more about the wonders of the welfare state.

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*shrugs* White people are the ones getting smoked in the birth rate. if republicans have no interest in things like universal day care or health care for all children or a living wage, because they call it "the welfare state" then fine. Enjoy your low birth rates.

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So the only way forward in your opinion is socialism.

Good talk.