Trump knows he holds all the power

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Who?mikejones!
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OG UNF said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Op- let's say Trump runs on the primary but doesn't win the nomination.

What are you going to do? Are you going to vote the the republican, will you sit it out or do something like write Trump in?

How much are you willing to sacrifice to the dems of Trump doesn't win the nomination?


Putting aside that there is zero chance Desantis beats Trump in a primary, and <1% chance he would even run against trump. It would depend on the manner in which he won, and whether the republicans betray trump supporters.


Also, you didn't answer my question-

If the presidential race ends up desantis (or some else) vs Biden, are you going to vote republican?
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GAC06 said:

Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.


98 stars says it all.
J. Walter Weatherman
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Maybe the one silver lining for Tuesday's results is that republicans no longer need to be afraid of crossing trump. Most of his extremest battleground state candidates lost (including Mastriano who got smoked) while candidates like Kemp and DeSantis dominated. His unhinged rants can safely be ignored so hopefully more republicans are coming around to that.
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lb3 said:

OG UNF said:

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
Option 3 isn't enough unless you let Trump choose the running mate. Does Ivanka, Eric, or Don Jr on the ticket doom the ticket? If so there is no deal to be made and your option 1 is the best path forward.
Kushner.
He's still family.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

SA68AG said:

In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.

It hasn't sailed enough to not absolutely shipwreck any chance the R's have in 24.


Still waiting on your thread saying Trump isn't a viable candidate in 2024. Oz and Walker did not win by more than 50,000 votes. You were super confident. Go ahead!
If Walker loses you will get my thread.


FYI the bet wasn't that he even loses. It was that he wins by less than 50,000 votes. But you can change it if that helps.
I am good for my bet. You can stop humping my leg.
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The Republicans need to be careful not to try to Bernie the former president. If they stack the deck against him, feed debate questions to DeSantis, etc…. They will destroy the party for a generation.
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Do they need to feed desantis the questions? He doesn't need the help
Im Gipper
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I'm Gipper
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GAC06 said:

Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.
Why do you think Trump is a loser?

for comparison:

  • Trump exceeded his vote total by 18% in his re-election campaign.
  • Desantis exceeded his vote total by 13% in his re-election campaign.

What's the difference between a Desantis re-election victory and a Trump re-election defeat?

  • Trump opposition net vote change was +23%
  • Desantis opposition net vote change was -23%. Negative 23%.

Trump isn't a loser candidate. He was more popular during his re-election than Desantis (who is the most popular governor in the country). Desantis enacted sweeping election reform that swung votes for the opposition by a massive 46% in the other direction.

Even if Desantis can get more votes then Trump in a general election, he still has to deal with the massive fraud outside of the state of Florida that is still in effect. Unless we deal with fraud, both Trump and Desantis lose the general election.
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I voted for that bafoon twice because I like the disruptor in him but I'll never vote for him again! He's an idiot school yard bully and I've had enough of him. We'll take over the Senate big time in two years.

We need a candidate that will pull all of us moderates back into embracing the Republican Party.
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I don't see Trump and his crew being able to organize a third party run.

Maybe they could host their convention at the 4 seasons…landscape company.

Republicans and Desantis need to distance themselves from Trump.

I hope he does run and get the nomination, and goes against Biden again. Just to see what 3rd party options would arise.
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Keller6Ag91 said:

OG UNF said:

We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
Option 4, have Trump move aside as have one of his kids (Ivanka?) be the VP nominee with DeSantis.


The brainiac that tried to bring us universal childcare?

LOLNope

Desantis 2024

Trump would be a lame duck, on top of being fiscally liberal, on day 1. That's moronic.
GAC06
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What's the difference? DeSantis won. Trump lost. Trump lost us the Senate in 2020 because he was pouting and his candidates underperformed in 2022.

Listen to yourself. You're comparing DeSantis's crushing victory with Trump's losses.
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Im Gipper said:




Okay, but that's from a company that's been pro democrat for decades. Oh wait...
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Fetterman is still unelectable, same with FJB.

Odds are out on the FJB steal. Open your eyes, Fetterman anomalies beside his brain will be in the votes.
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javajaws said:

A party of 1 cannot win. Until he stops acting like an asshat to other Republicans he's lost my support.
the problem is there are no other republicans. they're all bought/bribed/blackmailed government bots. that's why the entire establishment used their influence to attack trump. until you understand that, you dont understand anything.
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GAC06 said:

What's the difference? DeSantis won. Trump lost. Trump lost us the Senate in 2020 because he was pouting and his candidates underperformed in 2022.

Listen to yourself. You're comparing DeSantis's crushing victory with Trump's losses.
SItting presidents nearly always lose the house or senate. It's historical precedent...not unique to Trump no matter how much you dislike him.

I noticed you didn't quote my response in your reply. The difference is in the election reform Desantis enacted that shifted the democrat vote totals to a much more realistic number. Arizona, Pennsilvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia all had massive fraud that has been ignored and will continue to happen in the next presidential election regardless of what Desantis did for Florida's election integrity.
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Who wouldn't want to vote for an 80 year old, pompous ass with the political acumen of a porcupine?

DeSantis is the way.
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texaggie90 said:

I voted for that bafoon twice because I like the disruptor in him but I'll never vote for him again! He's an idiot school yard bully and I've had enough of him. We'll take over the Senate big time in two years.

We need a candidate that will pull all of us moderates back into embracing the Republican Party.
After this 2 year **** show in Washington, please enlighten us on why a moderate would vote for even more of this terrible economy if it means no more mean tweets?
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Voted for him twice (although went for Cruz in the 16 primary) but his usefulness is used up and he's been an anchor for some time now. Been Team Desantis for 2-3 years now
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Trump's comments about Desantis piss me off. Shows he really doesn't care about who has the best chance to win, just cares about himself as the lead man on the ticket.

I stand fast that Trump won't win another nationwide election. Too much power and hate already built in. To me it pretty much guarantees that we will be stuck with another useless D fool as POTUS from 2024-2028.

He'll get my vote if he does win the nom but I'm under no delusion he will win.
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No he doesn't anymore after Tuesday.
It's DeSantis' party if he wants it.

Trump Loser
DeSantis Winner
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Maybe the one silver lining for Tuesday's results is that republicans no longer need to be afraid of crossing trump. Most of his extremest battleground state candidates lost (including Mastriano who got smoked) while candidates like Kemp and DeSantis dominated. His unhinged rants can safely be ignored so hopefully more republicans are coming around to that.
Another poster said Trump is "far right" and you say candidates were "extremist". In what way were some of these candidates "extremists"?
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Tom Doniphon said:

Who wouldn't want to vote for an 80 year old, pompous ass with the political acumen of a porcupine?

DeSantis is the way.
We're supposed to believe 81MM people did that, with the person being a demented, corrupt pedophile to boot.
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Walsh is probably right for once


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PhatMack19 said:

Walsh is probably right for once





He doesn't have the power to burn it down unless the party gives it to him.
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GAC06 said:

Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.
Trying to convince my dad the exact same thing.
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Trump had his time. At this point he has nowhere to go but downhill. His reputation will take a hit among the people who currently repect him if he goes scorched earth on DeSantis.

I don't think he can win the general election, but even if he did, what will he accomplish with all of the bridges he has burned? It would be another 4 years of temporary EOs with little support for any meaningful legislation.
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96AgGrad said:

Trump had his time. At this point he has nowhere to go but downhill. His reputation will take a hit among the people who currently repect him if he goes scorched earth on DeSantis.

I don't think he can win the general election, but even if he did, what will he accomplish with all of the bridges he has burned? It would be another 4 years of temporary EOs with little support for any meaningful legislation.


That's the main thing. Either he loses (good chance) or he is president with zero competent Cabinet members or allies on Capitol Hill.

Who is going to sign up to be in his administration at this point? I can't think of many outside of his kids, MTG, Gaetz, etc.

Think of the most powerful Republican voices or up and comers. DeSantis, Cruz, Paul, Youngkin, etc. None of them really like Trump that much and I think all would steer clear of working for the guy.
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www.powerline.com

* Donald Trump. I thought the Democrats' endless yammering about "our democracy" and "fascism" was incredibly stupid, born of desperation, and would be ignored by voters. I was partly right: those themes were stupid, and they were born of desperation. But it turned out that they were not ineffective. To cite just one example, a young woman I know posted a photo of herself at the polls on Instagram, with the text, "I'm voting against fascism."

Contrary to what you might assume, she isn't an idiot. "Our democracy" and "fascism" were code for Donald Trump. At this point, Trump is a giant anvil around the neck of the Republican Party. In many areas, likely most, he is absolute poison. To be associated with Trump is to lose. Pretty much everything he has done in the last two years has been not just ill-advised but massively destructive to the Republican Party and to the United States. He has teased a "big announcement" in the next few days. I hope he announces that he is moving to Bulgaria.

An off-year election is normally a referendum on the president, which is why the out-party nearly always gains. When the Democrats tried to make this year's election a referendum on Donald Trump, I thought they were crazy. Trump is not an office-holder, nor was he on the ballot. How could that possibly work? Well, it did work, and Trump, with his inimitable bad judgment, collaborated fully with the Democrats in putting himself front and center, with disastrous results.

The major exception to last night's gloom was Florida, where Ron DeSantis and Marco Rubio both won crushing victories. Why was that? At least part of the explanation is that Florida was one state where the Democrats couldn't pretend Trump was on the ballot. Ron DeSantis was on the ballot.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

96AgGrad said:

Trump had his time. At this point he has nowhere to go but downhill. His reputation will take a hit among the people who currently repect him if he goes scorched earth on DeSantis.

I don't think he can win the general election, but even if he did, what will he accomplish with all of the bridges he has burned? It would be another 4 years of temporary EOs with little support for any meaningful legislation.


That's the main thing. Either he loses (good chance) or he is president with zero competent Cabinet members or allies on Capitol Hill.

Who is going to sign up to be in his administration at this point? I can't think of many outside of his kids, MTG, Gaetz, etc.

Think of the most powerful Republican voices or up and comers. DeSantis, Cruz, Paul, Youngkin, etc. None of them really like Trump that much and I think all would steer clear of working for the guy.
definitely won't be seeing Mike Pence anywhere in DC
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WHOOP!'91 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Maybe the one silver lining for Tuesday's results is that republicans no longer need to be afraid of crossing trump. Most of his extremest battleground state candidates lost (including Mastriano who got smoked) while candidates like Kemp and DeSantis dominated. His unhinged rants can safely be ignored so hopefully more republicans are coming around to that.
Another poster said Trump is "far right" and you say candidates were "extremist". In what way were some of these candidates "extremists"?


Are you seriously asking how someone like Mastriano or Dixon would be considered an extremist?
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LMCane said:

www.powerline.com

* Donald Trump. I thought the Democrats' endless yammering about "our democracy" and "fascism" was incredibly stupid, born of desperation, and would be ignored by voters. I was partly right: those themes were stupid, and they were born of desperation. But it turned out that they were not ineffective. To cite just one example, a young woman I know posted a photo of herself at the polls on Instagram, with the text, "I'm voting against fascism."

Contrary to what you might assume, she isn't an idiot. "Our democracy" and "fascism" were code for Donald Trump. At this point, Trump is a giant anvil around the neck of the Republican Party. In many areas, likely most, he is absolute poison. To be associated with Trump is to lose. Pretty much everything he has done in the last two years has been not just ill-advised but massively destructive to the Republican Party and to the United States. He has teased a "big announcement" in the next few days. I hope he announces that he is moving to Bulgaria.

An off-year election is normally a referendum on the president, which is why the out-party nearly always gains. When the Democrats tried to make this year's election a referendum on Donald Trump, I thought they were crazy. Trump is not an office-holder, nor was he on the ballot. How could that possibly work? Well, it did work, and Trump, with his inimitable bad judgment, collaborated fully with the Democrats in putting himself front and center, with disastrous results.

The major exception to last night's gloom was Florida, where Ron DeSantis and Marco Rubio both won crushing victories. Why was that? At least part of the explanation is that Florida was one state where the Democrats couldn't pretend Trump was on the ballot. Ron DeSantis was on the ballot.

I disagree; she IS an idiot. She believes the lies the media tells her without investigating for herself. Trump was and is in NO WAY a fascist and in NO WAY a threat to our democracy (republic). If any party are fascistic, its the Dems. Silencing dissent, censoring information, abusing political power, etc.
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Trump news live: Trump destroyed by his favourite newspaper as midterm meltdown sees GOP flee to DeSantis

Former president urged to delay 2024 announcement as Republicans perform worse than expected in midterms


New York Post (conservative) and Wall Street Journal both call on Trump to not run again.
 
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