...sticking to prior campaign strategy I see:



...guess it's OK... Some really seem to like it.

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No Spin Ag said:

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A lot of people, including conservative patriots, know who Trump is and will gladly say "no, thank you" if he and Desantis are in a dogfight.

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DeSantis will not get into a dogfight with Trump. Little upside for DeSantis in that scenario and a lot of potential downside.

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DeSantis doesn't need to get into a dogfight, though. If it comes down to just Trump and DeSantis, and not a billion other candidates like in '16, there's more than enough people that hated Trump and didn't vote for him a second time that will gladly vote for DeSantis.

All DeSantis has to do is let Trump be Trump. Yes Trump's base will cream themselves with glee that he's back to his old self, but that won't work again.

The best thing that can happen for DeSantis is for Trump to declare he's running and then get back on Twitter that same day. Everyone who forgot why they didn't vote for Trump a second time will remember and all DeSantis will have to do is continue being a governor who actually does things for his state and the choice will be clear as day as to who the adult is in the room and who's the future of the party, and it's not the immature geriatric threatening to burn it all down if he doesn't his way.

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I'm just not reading it that way at all. I wish Trump would just retire and be kingmaker with rallies for other candidates.

But he sees it differently. And because I can understand why he sees it that way with actual facts as of right now. As long as his base is there and they keep turning out for him, why wouldn't he believe it?

More importantly,why would DeSantis not believe it?

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The beliefs are solid in regards to both of them. I'm just saying that it always comes down to moderates who didn't want Trump last time, and throw in those who did vote for Trump last time but hate what he's doing now, that's too many voters for his base to overcome. And those are the ones waiting to vote for someone like DeSantis.

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powerbelly said:

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Trump lost to a ****ing vegetable. He should shut the **** up.

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But did he?

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Yes. Even if it was stolen he made it close enough to steal.

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this is the stupidest take ever. more stupid than denying the obvious election fraud.

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So obvious every case brought about it has been laughed out of the courts? (Including by trump appointed judges)

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it can be laughed out of courts (which are run by the most corrupt profession on earth: lawyers) and still be obvious election fraud. The corruption runs very deep.

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powerbelly said:

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Trump lost to a ****ing vegetable. He should shut the **** up.

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But did he?

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If he runs against DeSantis and DeSantis beats him, Trump will probably claim DeSantis cheated. Because he is too arrogant to understand that making an election more about himself and his unlikeable personality traits rather than his policies was his own worst enemy and the primary cause of his political failure in 2020.

Blackbeard94 said:

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Always a class act.

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Me?

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powerbelly said:

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Trump lost to a ****ing vegetable. He should shut the **** up.

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But did he?

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Yes. Even if it was stolen he made it close enough to steal.

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this is the stupidest take ever. more stupid than denying the obvious election fraud.

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So obvious every case brought about it has been laughed out of the courts? (Including by trump appointed judges)

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it can be laughed out of courts (which are run by the most corrupt profession on earth: lawyers) and still be obvious election fraud. The corruption runs very deep.

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Left wing media has been accusing all week that the Red is cheating to take back congress tonight. The loser whether Blue or Red on any given election night whining about cheating has gotten pretty tiresome. 2016 it was Russia meddling conspiracy to get Trump elected, then 2020 it was Blue stealing the election, now apparently in 2022 the Red team is the best at cheating. Apparently we have never had a 'fair' election in the U.S. according to the loser conspiracy theories.

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Interesting timing. This reminds of the dissident right's insistence Fox is controlled opposition...

Speaking of-- who is doing their decision desk this time?

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Yup, has to be controlled opposition and not just trump being trump, in line with his existing pattern of behavior. totally not on him.

I've been saying that all along. The losing side will claim the other side cheated. Doesn't matter who wins

Neocons galore! Have fun with more of the same boys!

Trump is an idiot. And so are the people that still support him.

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Trump is an idiot. And so are the people that still support him.

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You chose Murkowski. That's better?

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A lot of people, including conservative patriots, know who Trump is and will gladly say "no, thank you" if he and Desantis are in a dogfight.

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DeSantis will not get into a dogfight with Trump. Little upside for DeSantis in that scenario and a lot of potential downside.

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DeSantis doesn't need to get into a dogfight, though. If it comes down to just Trump and DeSantis, and not a billion other candidates like in '16, there's more than enough people that hated Trump and didn't vote for him a second time that will gladly vote for DeSantis.

All DeSantis has to do is let Trump be Trump. Yes Trump's base will cream themselves with glee that he's back to his old self, but that won't work again.

The best thing that can happen for DeSantis is for Trump to declare he's running and then get back on Twitter that same day. Everyone who forgot why they didn't vote for Trump a second time will remember and all DeSantis will have to do is continue being a governor who actually does things for his state and the choice will be clear as day as to who the adult is in the room and who's the future of the party, and it's not the immature geriatric threatening to burn it all down if he doesn't his way.

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I'm just not reading it that way at all. I wish Trump would just retire and be kingmaker with rallies for other candidates.

But he sees it differently. And because I can understand why he sees it that way with actual facts as of right now. As long as his base is there and they keep turning out for him, why wouldn't he believe it?

More importantly,why would DeSantis not believe it?

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Are you asking why Desantis wouldn't buy into the belief that Trump is unbeatable and beloved by an insurmountable base of voters?

If that's your question the answer is simple. Trump believes that's the case because his ego requires him to be entirely insulated by sycophants who all tell him that's the case or else they get fired.

But just maybe Desantis has some intelligence of his own, a little less ego, and more self awareness than Trump. Maybe he's surrounded himself with smarter staff than Trump's and he's talking to all of the non-diehard MAGA Republicans who will help bolster him over Trump. Maybe Desantis understands what all of Trump's recent blabber really is - a bluff tactic simply meant to scare Desantis out of the race. Maybe Desantis knows that Trump's "invincibility" isn't quite what Trump proclaims it to be.

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Trump lost to a ****ing vegetable. He should shut the **** up.

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But did he?

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If he runs against DeSantis and DeSantis beats him, Trump will probably claim DeSantis cheated. Because he is too arrogant to understand that making an election more about himself and his unlikeable personality traits rather than his policies was his own worst enemy and the primary cause of his political failure in 2020.

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Yep. And if he loses he'll tell his base that they were all cheated. And that is just enough voters that stay home to ensure we have a Dem yet again. If trump wins the nomination I pray to God he wins. He'll likely lose, which means Dem.

I appreciate all he did but he's so self absorbed that he'd rather burn this thing down than lose. In a way, he's the perfect embodiment of the modern American

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Trump is an idiot. And so are the people that still support him.

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You chose Murkowski. That's better?

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WTF are you talking about?? I chose Murkowski?

I voted for Abbott today. And yes that is 1,00000% better.

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aggiehawg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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A lot of people, including conservative patriots, know who Trump is and will gladly say "no, thank you" if he and Desantis are in a dogfight.

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DeSantis will not get into a dogfight with Trump. Little upside for DeSantis in that scenario and a lot of potential downside.

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DeSantis doesn't need to get into a dogfight, though. If it comes down to just Trump and DeSantis, and not a billion other candidates like in '16, there's more than enough people that hated Trump and didn't vote for him a second time that will gladly vote for DeSantis.

All DeSantis has to do is let Trump be Trump. Yes Trump's base will cream themselves with glee that he's back to his old self, but that won't work again.

The best thing that can happen for DeSantis is for Trump to declare he's running and then get back on Twitter that same day. Everyone who forgot why they didn't vote for Trump a second time will remember and all DeSantis will have to do is continue being a governor who actually does things for his state and the choice will be clear as day as to who the adult is in the room and who's the future of the party, and it's not the immature geriatric threatening to burn it all down if he doesn't his way.

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I'm just not reading it that way at all. I wish Trump would just retire and be kingmaker with rallies for other candidates.

But he sees it differently. And because I can understand why he sees it that way with actual facts as of right now. As long as his base is there and they keep turning out for him, why wouldn't he believe it?

More importantly,why would DeSantis not believe it?

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Are you asking why Desantis wouldn't buy into the belief that Trump is unbeatable and beloved by an insurmountable base of voters?

If that's your question the answer is simple. Trump believes that's the case because his ego requires him to be entirely insulated by sycophants who all tell him that's the case or else they get fired.

But just maybe Desantis has some intelligence of his own, a little less ego, and more self awareness than Trump. Maybe he's surrounded himself with smarter staff than Trump's and he's talking to all of the non-diehard MAGA Republicans who will help bolster him over Trump. Maybe Desantis understands what all of Trump's recent blabber really is - a bluff tactic simply meant to scare Desantis out of the race. Maybe Desantis knows that Trump's "invincibility" isn't quite what Trump proclaims it to be.

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The variable that is hard to account for is how many of Trump's diehard supporters will believe all the BS about how DeSantis is "deep state" and stay home. Trump has no problem blowing everything up if he doesn't get his way

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Are you asking why Desantis wouldn't buy into the belief that Trump is unbeatable and beloved by an insurmountable base of voters?

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No. Skin deep analysis, not even minor sunburn level deep.

Try again and think this time. Think EV votes.

Desantis in 24. Time for the egotistical clown to go.

Lot of russian bots on hear. I'll vote for desantis, but I'm not trashing trump.

Trump is ****ing ****. DeSantis all the way!

here. Its here, not hear. Hear is your ear,

You are welcome bot.

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Are you asking why Desantis wouldn't buy into the belief that Trump is unbeatable and beloved by an insurmountable base of voters?

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No. Skin deep analysis, not even minor sunburn level deep.

Try again and think this time. Think EV votes.

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No idea what you're tryin to say. That Trump can win states and deliver EV that Desantis can't? That's crazy. Or you're buying into the belief that all Trump voters will stay Trump voters in 2 years and that Desantis won't continue to grow in popularity and recognition outside of Florida. The fact that Desantis is the only Republican governor constantly in the national news says otherwise. Desantis wins Florida. From the looks of this board he stands a chance of winning Texas from Trump.

Bottom line is Trump loses to a Democrat in the next General, whereas Desantis doesn't.

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No idea what you're tryin to say. That Trump can win states and deliver EV that Desantis can't? That's crazy. Or you're buying into the belief that all Trump voters will stay Trump voters in 2 years and that Desantis won't continue to grow in popularity and recognition outside of Florida. The fact that Desantis is the only Republican governor constantly in the national news says otherwise. Desantis wins Florida. From the looks of this board he stands a chance of winning Texas from Trump.

Bottom line is Trump loses to a Democrat in the next General, whereas Desantis doesn't.

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People who supported McCain said the same in 2008 and earlier than that.

You are not heeding history AND ignoringthe changing paradigms on elections. Both can be true. Changes are just a repeat of history, from a different smaller time frame. Not.

DeSantis led during COVID. Trump followed Fauci. DeSantis is a stud.

I think I lean more DeSantis if he runs. However, the anti-Trump sentiment from some of you is hilarious. I still like Trump, but I can see the broader appeal with DeSantis.

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I think I lean more DeSantis if he runs. However, the anti-Trump sentiment from some of you is hilarious. I still like Trump, but I can see the broader appeal with DeSantis.

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I mean, look at what Desantis did tonight with Florida. Look at the election results under his leadership.

How can you see that, hear Desantis say he will not run if Trump runs, and then think Trump running again in 2024 is the best option for the Republican party?